Huge!!! Black Hole next doer

[mimesot]

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:39 pm

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Nether of you is right.

I believe something different, as I said in my longish post:

[move][glow=red,2,300]Both are right![/glow][/move]


Religion and Science don't exclude each other, if applied nonradical, not even at the same time. (More precisly there is no time for comparison, as my suggesion places god outside time)

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:40 pm

Since when was science made up? It's entire purpose is to understand the world around us.

Yes by making up concepts that describe what going on. With out humans those concepts would not be. We made them up to help us understand things.


For the poster above or bother are wrong hows to say good point.

[mimesot]

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:42 pm

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ewm90 is right about that. Both, religion and science are just models of our cosmos.

For the poster above or bother are wrong hows to say good point.

Sorry, what does that mean? (Sorry for my lack of english here)

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:53 pm

Why are they right why can't they be wrong?

They one how is making up right and wrong is you, so you are say there right and taking that as the truth. The problem lies in ther is no truth its all made up.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:54 pm

The Universe is not dependent on the human condition Ewm, so of course a tree makes a sound. If you are dead, does the Universe still exist? . This is philosophy, and thus not arguable one way or the other. However, whether or not a neutron exists is not philosophy. It exists whether you like it or not.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 4:58 pm

No its not. Who do you know where you there?

If I look at science as a posable explanation and look at string theory there is a chance the tree may not.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 5:05 pm

Since when does string theory make a proposition that the world depends on human condition: there is of course the proposition that an electrons position (or photon) isn't known until you look at it (heck the famous experiment of whether photon is discrete package and wave... turning out to be both depending on how observe it), but this does not depend on the human condition nonetheless.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 5:33 pm

ewm90:
As I said long ago, any discussion need a conitional framework, otherweise any conversation is senseless. (This statement is independet of religon, science and most philosophies)

Is this PC in front of your nose real? The the neutron is at high possibility a real object too. High possibility because no ecperiment excludes it and supportive experiments can be repeated. The model fits experience.

If you doubt, that the PC in front of your nose is real, which is also a valid assumption, we cannot argue at all, as noone can falsificate the others view. So I would prefer to do a discussion on a common frame. Let's assume the PC is real for us all, that I'm real, as well as you. Then we can do statistivs about how appropriate ones statememt is. And then I can support dominus opinion that the neutron is existent.

Now, is there a PC in front of your nose. Were you there?

posted on June 14th, 2009, 7:32 pm

Why are you saying this to me this dissection devolved far be for my last post.... It was about a huge black hole that was answer with one post and scents then its go flying of cores... And I am ok with that I crated the topic.

The rest of your post I cant speak to. My nose is only my nose because its defined as such to me. Think about that for awhile. to a dog he/she has no nose because its not defined as such.

Dominus_Noctis, Nothing depends of human definitions with out them things ... well its I have no answer because there non to give ... Its humans how add significance to them.

ewm90:
As I said long ago, any discussion need a conitional framework, otherweise any conversation is senseless. (This statement is independet of religon, science and most philosophies)

Is this PC in front of your nose real? The the neutron is at high possibility a real object too. High possibility because no ecperiment excludes it and supportive experiments can be repeated. The model fits experience.

If you doubt, that the PC in front of your nose is real, which is also a valid assumption, we cannot argue at all, as noone can falsificate the others view. So I would prefer to do a discussion on a common frame. Let's assume the PC is real for us all, that I'm real, as well as you. Then we can do statistivs about how appropriate ones statememt is. And then I can support dominus opinion that the neutron is existent.

Now, is there a PC in front of your nose. Were you there?

posted on June 14th, 2009, 8:42 pm

The rest of your post I cant speak to. My nose is only my nose because its defined as such to me. Think about that for awhile. to a dog he/she has no nose because its not defined as such.

So you are not able to set up common conditions of notion which are necessary for a fruitful discussion? Or are you?

I'd like to go into astrophysics, but not as long as I don't know wether you are able to make conclusions the same way as me.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:31 pm

as I don't know wether you are able to make conclusions the same way as me.

Which is always the problem with such discussions 

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:39 pm

Let's do it the other way round.

How would you (not you dominus) explain the observation that the farther a galaxy is, the more it's spectrum is red-shifted? Please be so kind.

posted on June 15th, 2009, 12:14 am

Well thats up to you you could take them and use them to have conversations that work around you or not. You can lead a hoarse to water but you can make him drink.

I hope you get some thing out of what I post the magic I made in my life with them you would not be able full get. Need this to say sense I started using this stuff life as bean a place I love then some thing I have because there is nothing better.

I seen rocket scientist, sociologists, Internists, CEOs and on and on use this to up there game create life they love and offer it to others. 

So you are not able to set up common conditions of notion which are necessary for a fruitful discussion? Or are you?

I'd like to go into astrophysics, but not as long as I don't know wether you are able to make conclusions the same way as me.