Galaxy X debate (renamed)

posted on August 15th, 2011, 9:42 pm

Haters gonna hate.


Third nacelle issues - take it up with the Niagara class before you start picking on the Galaxy X.

Hay, that's non-canon! 

High in the best way possible, something I can't say about the designer of the Galaxy Refits of STO...

True that. Just look at those... 

[Njm1983]

posted on August 15th, 2011, 9:48 pm

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Niagara class isnt canon??????

Ever seen best of both worlds? shes onscreen as a hulking wreck at Wolf 359

posted on August 15th, 2011, 9:53 pm

Niagara class isnt canon??????

Ever seen best of both worlds? shes onscreen as a hulking wreck at Wolf 359

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Ah right, I got that one confused with the Rigel, of which we don't know anything, but most fan designs show it as a Galaxy with three nacelles (well, the sb34 mod does at least) 

posted on August 15th, 2011, 9:55 pm

the niagara class appearing in the graveyard makes the ship itself canon, but not the name niagara, as it was never spoken.

my issue wasnt with 3 nacelles, this is science fiction. 2 nacelles flies, 4 nacelles flies, why not 3? the niagara actually is fine by me.

my issue was the stupid tacking on of a 3rd nacelle for no particular reason. and those wing like things near the bridge on the saucer. it just seemed childish and silly to tack random stuff onto a ship like that. the giant over compensating phaser cannon i can live with, maybe the feds had a bad war and needed something stronger.

they might as well have painted go faster stripes on the hull, and tinted the windows.

posted on August 15th, 2011, 9:59 pm

they might as well have painted go faster stripes on the hull, and tinted the windows.

Challenge accepted. Give me 24 hours. 

[Tyler]

posted on August 15th, 2011, 10:08 pm

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the niagara class appearing in the graveyard makes the ship itself canon, but not the name niagara, as it was never spoken.

It was used by the production staff, so it's official despite not being canon. Most class names are the same.

posted on August 15th, 2011, 11:16 pm

The 3rd nacelle is tough to justify. we can only postulate it has an added benefit beyond just having it there, so she can go fast!

One theory I happen to find particularly favorable is that the 3rd nacelle allows for vessels to sustain higher warp speeds for longer durations. This would follow suite given 4 nacelled variations seem to be courier vessels IE the Pathfinder project. Obviously theres no proof at all.  Trek is just a TV show and despite all its contradictions us fans like to think there are logical reasons for things. Or atleast I do.

It is my Opinion that the Galaxy X refit has had all the alterations due to (in the episode) the heightened state of affairs with the Klingon Empire. Which would require many older vessels to be retrofitted with newer weapons and systems. Without Knowing Admiral Rikers status and posting he may need to, at times be somewhere quick and having the ability to sustain higher warp speeds for longer durations would allow for that. This is all just my opinion.

posted on August 15th, 2011, 11:24 pm

Memory Alpha lists a reason for the third naccelle already:

According to the Spaceflight Chronology (page 139), a three nacelle configuration gives a third more power to the warp drive, greater acceleration and faster engagement. However, in the first experiments, the third nacelle accentuated discrepancies in the warp field causing warp vibrations. This creates difficulties in steering, and would have resulted in the ship shaking itself apart at higher warp speeds. It was however noted that if the design was constructed perfectly it is possible for it to deliver what it promises.

posted on August 15th, 2011, 11:49 pm

Well that settles that... Kinda. So it's possible then that by the time the galaxy x they'd worked out the issues. Seems fine to me.

posted on August 16th, 2011, 12:11 am

there i was thinking sticking an extra nacelle just made it look kool

posted on August 16th, 2011, 12:29 am

Well that settles that... Kinda. So it's possible then that by the time the galaxy x they'd worked out the issues. Seems fine to me.

Who knows, maybe those issues were worked out by the time Flops starts, or during . . .

posted on August 16th, 2011, 1:32 am

Or the Enterprise's plot armor lold at the vibrations and hid them under trois chair.

posted on August 16th, 2011, 2:14 am

Combat ships today sometimes have a podded thruster that provides unparalleled maneuvering while in port. Also, in emergancies, when damage has been sustained to the main propulsion system, the pod can provide minimal thrust if there is no other means of moving the ship.

I always thought a third nacelle filled this sort of role when the main nacelles were damaged/destroyed - providing limited range at low warp (which is why we only see 1 nacelle on very small or very slow ships). Just enough to find a friendly colony or at least escape the combat zone. Of course, it would be incumbant upon them to better sheild this 3rd nacelle, perhaps deploying it from the spine when needed...

This always seemed a little more utilitarian then the generic "it goez fazter wit morz," as if a fifth tire can supercharge my Saturn Ion. But what do I know? I only have a degree in naval architecture and a 3rd assistant engineer's license from the US Coast Guard.

/shamless self promotion

posted on August 16th, 2011, 2:26 am

Just remember that in All Good Things the Enterprise went at least warp 13. Meaning that that 3rd nacell prolly allowed the ship to create a stronger warp field making the ship go faster. Now we all know warp 10 is the max in the standard TNG scale but I would guess they revamped the warp scale again. When you think of it by the time Voyager came around they are having ships go warp 9.975 and isnt the Prometheus supposed to do 9.99. It makes sense that as "standard" warp technology allows for greater speed they arnt going to want to keep tacking on 9's to the end of warp 9. So instead they make 9.99 warp 10, 9.999 warp 11, warp 9.9999 warp 12 and so on. Altho by that time I would expect the federation to be using QSD or some such technology. Just my thought on the matter, and personally I love the Galaxy X design, altho as far as I know the X designation was only added to that ship in Star Trek Birth of the Federation, but since then most people seem to accept it as the Galaxy X type ship.

posted on August 16th, 2011, 4:39 am

Well the Venture type could be seen as a move in that direction in refiting galaxys (rather than a model not being returned to stock specs).

Of course the chance to do something cool will no doubt be ignored by the idiots running trek these days.