ambassador class upgrade...............

[navyguy]

posted on September 6th, 2010, 4:45 am

Last edited by navyguy on September 6th, 2010, 5:50 am, edited 1 time in total.

The Ambassador Class need's to be upgraded. I feel her weapons should be set at least to meadium due to the fact she is a heavycruiser/Battleship. Being that it was truly a first in Modern star ship design, one would think her weapon's would fall into at least meadium, she outguns the Excelscior and yet she's at a short range?????????????. I know many here would rather focus on the Miranda , or Excelscior, or sabre, or Nebula, but this is a fine ship with a long history for the most part ignored by history, its time to give her a little more attention.

posted on September 6th, 2010, 4:47 am

why?   Its brand new.(meaning it is only a few patches new.)

[Falaffelboy]

posted on September 6th, 2010, 4:58 am

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Well i agree with you about the weapons strenght. Maybe making the ambassador more effective against smaller targets in close combat would be a good idea. You have to keep in mind that the ambassador is much faster than an artillary ship like the Excelsior2.

If she would get some long range weapons she might be overpowered considering her speed.

posted on September 6th, 2010, 5:04 am

And yes of course it is a great shipdesign i like her too!!

[navyguy]

posted on September 6th, 2010, 5:36 am

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To anyone who read's this imagine this, you take a Sherman Tank the first modern meadium size tank, in the U.S. inventory and you put a 37mm gun on it wouldnt that 1, look stupid 2, would you have a useless 30 ton tank? the Sherman was armed a 75mm gun with a barrel size of 2.95 inches across. I'am not here to start a new topic about the Sherman Tank, and yes i know her gun was weak against German armour, my point is she was armed with a weapon that was used on meadiun size tanks, hence the Ambassador being a Heavycruiser/Battleship, i think it would seem a meadium range would be better.

posted on September 6th, 2010, 6:00 am

The devs who designed the Sherman tank didn't have to worry about game balance so that's not the best example.

Given the way that the Ambassador is implemented in the game its, IMO, fine, especially when you consider what you pay for it!  

posted on September 6th, 2010, 6:11 am

Using the word upgrade here is strange.  The Ambassador rocks and in terms of usefulness is on a par (or better) with the Galaxy when you consider its special which really is useful in pitched battles.  And its only just behind the Galaxy in stats which is not bad considering it is an older design.

Also using the word upgrade in relation to changing the range from short to medium... well, that isn't always an upgrade.  It would give it longer range but then make it counterable by the same ships that counter the Galaxy which means you opponent can spam mainly the same ships to deal with your warp-ins rather than being forced to build a more mixed fleet.

Also comparing with the Excelsior, well, not surprising it outguns Excelsior 1 as it is a newer design.  The E1 is TMP era and the Ambassador is Lost Era.  Not sure when the E2 refit came into service but the stats between it and the Ambassador are close. It should wipe the floor with E2s because the E2 in FleetOps is effectively an artillery ship and they should be owned by just about anything more maneuverable or with good weapons, and the Ambassador has both.

posted on September 6th, 2010, 6:12 am

The devs who designed the Sherman tank didn't have to worry about game balance so that's not the best example.

LOL indeed.  You can imagine the designers saying "No, we can't put such a big gun on it, otherwise it will be too powerful!  The enemy would not be able to counter it!"

posted on September 6th, 2010, 12:14 pm

the ambassador is currently more useful than the galaxy, thats why i'm glad they made it less likely to arrive.

its got a solid passive.

its got good weapons.

its got good defence.

its got one of the most useful special weapons in the game.

its very fast. catching it requires fast ships like bop and good micro. and no lag.

it needs a downside so its not op. the downside is that its short ranged.

this all fits with what we have observed of it. the ent c was told to confuse the romulans with speed. breaking their formation. thats the job of a fast short ranged ship. not a medium slugger like the akira.

if i could build warpins for a fair cost i would ambas spam, and it would be completely op, and eventually the ambas would get super nerfed lol. its a brilliant ship. it should always be targetted last, as its so fast and can escape with its special on. i only kill my enemy's ambas after i have killed the rest of their fleet and am in the dominant position.

ambas doesnt need any boosts, its already amazing, and the fact that it is so rare prevents it from being op.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 11:09 pm

First of all let me begin by asking why you believe the Ambassador is the first in Modern Starship design? The NX Enterprise could be given the same title... for that matter the phoenix warp-ship. It's all about context.

I like the Ambassador too but it was only in service for some twenty years before they were replaced whole-sale by the Galaxy class. Hardly comparable to the Eighty plus years of service that the Excelsior has seen, therefore your statement of it having a long history is supported predominantly through the exploits of the Enterprise C...

posted on September 7th, 2010, 11:16 pm

First of all let me begin by asking why you believe the Ambassador is the first in Modern Starship design? The NX Enterprise could be given the same title... for that matter the phoenix warp-ship. It's all about context.

If 'modern' is supposed to mean post-TMP, then it might fit. It was the first ship we saw with a TNG-style design, TNG lasted all the way up to Nemesis at least.

As myles said, it's fine as it is.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 11:19 pm

it's more than fine... dare I say in Tyler's presence that I am almost as excited when I get an Ambassador as I am when I get a galaxy 

posted on September 8th, 2010, 11:42 am

i would much rather have an ambas than a galaxy, the ambas is much more useful.

the two main ships that deal increased damage to it are torp based, and the ambas special is really good vs torps.

the shrike does more damage to it too, but are pulsed based and dont do full damage to ambas either.

that ambas has no serious counters.

if u could spam ambas u would win automatically. they are so fast and strong.

galaxy is slow and dies quite fast a lot of the time. although its veteran power is amazing.