Under the Warbird’s Wing

posted on July 4th, 2013, 4:51 pm

Exactly, just because it's a big ship doesn't mean it's all-powerful and it's not like they're giving you free warbirds at the start of the match.

Judging by the post, it sound like a pure staryard or warbird fleet is going to be a waste of resources after the early game and the two types of units will complement each other with exactly how they do that forming a major part of Romulan gameplay. My guess is that building a warbird or two at the start will be helpful, but if you don't get a staryard up eventually you're a sitting duck.

posted on July 5th, 2013, 5:31 pm

im assuming this means the
Cehlaer
Eresis


are going to be more powerful now?

and the D'deridex is going to have lower stats?

i suppose this makes sense since its and older design (even tho its still being manufactured so surely updated stuff inside)

i suppose with warpins we are more likely to see this sort of incounter

posted on July 5th, 2013, 7:30 pm

Under FleetOps rules, Tomalak should have taken that fight. 2x D'deridex wipes the floor with 3x B'rel and a Galaxy. The group doesn't even penetrate the shields of one of the Warbirds.

posted on July 5th, 2013, 8:12 pm

Under FleetOps rules, Tomalak should have taken that fight. 2x D'deridex wipes the floor with 3x B'rel and a Galaxy. The group doesn't even penetrate the shields of one of the Warbirds.

try kvorts instead of brels.

also the situation is different as all fleetops ships are configured for war. either by virtue of being built in a warzone or warpins being refitted during the dominion war.

also one might argue that picard didn't claim his 4 ships could defeat both warbirds. only one, the warbird that tomahawk was on. also losing a huge warbird would be embarrassing. that scared tonkatruck away.

posted on July 6th, 2013, 1:11 am

Exactly, just because it's a big ship doesn't mean it's all-powerful and it's not like they're giving you free warbirds at the start of the match.

I actually wouldn't mind starting the game with a warbird. It would make the game more realistic because no faction would try to establish a new outpost with no protection.

It would make sense for Romulans to use a warbird because that's all you would ever see on the shows defending the border. Feds on the other hand typically underestimate situations and would give you a Saber to start with. It could be balanced easily because 1 warbird could only really be used to defend a moon, it would get outnumbered if it tried to attack too early on.

To keep this post on topic, I hope the Warbird doesn't get over shadowed in the next release.

posted on July 7th, 2013, 8:37 am

I never understood why the warbird has all that space. You look at a profile of the ship and it seems like 80% of its mass is contained in that little nose section. I guess the designer wanted the "open space" look.

Maybe its special should be to team up with scotty and get some of that transparent aluminum. Then they can proceed to enclose the open spaces with the transparent aluminum. This huge empty space could be turned into a giant aquarium, and if they travel back in time, could serve as a place to hold some humpback whales. They could study how oceanic lifeforms live in a zero g environment. The warbird could be like a giant aquarium on "wheels.

Just picture this: Your under attack, so you call the warbird hotline. The warbird shows up decloaks, drives back the bad guys, and then you have a giant aquarium to cheer everyone up! I think that should be the warbirds new special, to bring all the children of the galaxy joy and happiness. After all, isnt that the most important thing?

posted on July 7th, 2013, 9:46 am

Probably to look larger and more intimidating with reduced cost.

posted on July 7th, 2013, 10:23 am

Well now they can make profit by having a giant fish tank! Maybe they could team up with the xindi aquatics... The romulan xindi alliance! All they would need to do is add some glass, fill it with water, and presto. Gosh im full of great ideas tonight.

posted on July 8th, 2013, 3:55 am

If this is really a subject of 'early tech' with 'balance' and to stick with close to 'canon' consider this; having access to the Galaxy-class as a advanced shipyard unit or having the McKinley shipyard a buildable structure with each unit (include steamrunner please btw) in a tech level of their own. We have never truly seen a one-on-one battle we know that Picard can an would pawn Commander Tomalock (May he rest in peace). For the Klingons if the Vorcha were available early and tweaked alittle to be a little more formidable and cheaper, they could counter any Romulan offensive.

posted on July 10th, 2013, 10:04 pm

Under FleetOps rules, Tomalak should have taken that fight. 2x D'deridex wipes the floor with 3x B'rel and a Galaxy. The group doesn't even penetrate the shields of one of the Warbirds.

try kvorts instead of brels.

Yeah, I'll give you that, especially when there's been some analysis done of the standoff scene which indicates that the BoPs are scaled as K'Vorts than B'rels (350m length rather than approximately 120m). Still, with the D'D's special I suspect it'll still be close (as I'm too dumb to work out how to use the editor to spawn a vessel with its special enabled, it's not a test I've tried) (also, when I did the test with B'Rels, I gave the Galaxy 2 XP ranks, and a D'D one, leaving the rest at base).

also the situation is different as all fleetops ships are configured for war. either by virtue of being built in a warzone or warpins being refitted during the dominion war.

I would expect that this would skew the scenario back to the Romulan's favour.

also one might argue that picard didn't claim his 4 ships could defeat both warbirds. only one, the warbird that tomahawk was on. also losing a huge warbird would be embarrassing. that scared tonkatruck away.

Also a good point, although I'm not sure that Tomalakalaka was scared per se, though he did tacitly concede that the odds weren't as stacked in his favour as he had originally planned.

posted on July 10th, 2013, 10:36 pm

I'm too dumb to work out how to use the editor to spawn a vessel with its special enabled, it's not a test I've tried) (also, when I did the test with B'Rels, I gave the Galaxy 2 XP ranks, and a D'D one, leaving the rest at base).

start a skrimish with free tech, so all ships have their specials. then go into editor (ctrl+e) and set up the required fight. disable engines if the ships don't wanna fight. and do it in a corner of the map and use blocking triggers to isolate the fight. the last thing you want is for a scout to come flying in.

more realistic rankings would be veteran for picard and tombawamba, and every other ship at the same rank, a lower rank. maybe 1 gold bar.

posted on July 11th, 2013, 5:40 pm

I never understood why the warbird has all that space. You look at a profile of the ship and it seems like 80% of its mass is contained in that little nose section. I guess the designer wanted the "open space" look.

Maybe its special should be to team up with scotty and get some of that transparent aluminum. Then they can proceed to enclose the open spaces with the transparent aluminum. This huge empty space could be turned into a giant aquarium, and if they travel back in time, could serve as a place to hold some humpback whales. They could study how oceanic lifeforms live in a zero g environment. The warbird could be like a giant aquarium on "wheels.

Just picture this: Your under attack, so you call the warbird hotline. The warbird shows up decloaks, drives back the bad guys, and then you have a giant aquarium to cheer everyone up! I think that should be the warbirds new special, to bring all the children of the galaxy joy and happiness. After all, isnt that the most important thing?

This is pure genius.

posted on May 30th, 2014, 6:17 am

hmm.. mostly sounds good,
but i hope the synergie is not a "must use" because,
i always see (and like to use 1-4 of it) the d'deridex in the role of a "lone predator".