The Dominion Invasion

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 12:36 pm

the dreadnought carries booth beam and torpedo weapons, the new hyperspace disruptor just has a larger visual effect as seen in the screenshots. the damage is equally divided between torpedoes and beams.

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 2:15 pm

So this hyperspace disruptor is similar to the defenders beam? In great damage output but slow reload time?
What about reload times for other weapons?

Thanks for the anwsers

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 2:18 pm

yep, exactly.
the other weapons have the same reload times as usual beam and torpedo weapons. a few seconds

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 2:38 pm

One last thing: In the screens it looks rather small. Is it as big as 2 galaxy classes or has it been scaled down because of engine limitations?

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 3:20 pm

+50! OUCH! Oookay that thing could eat a cube up.

Beautiful ship model. i do love the idea of having it as the mixed-tech ship; gives the player something to work for. The "imposing" special weap thing sounds like a neat idea too; i'd imagine that thing is rather intimidating when it shows up.

Blazing_gig/mortographer: To my knowledge, you can build a seperate shipyard for each race tech you capture. So in your example you'd have both a romulan and a federation mixed tech yard, with the fed-enhanced drednought and rom-enhanced one seperate choices. You'd have to choose between +50 defense or +50 system, you couldn't have both on one ship...

*imagines if all the effects were on the same ship* ...OMG...godship...

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 3:48 pm

the scaling has already been adjusted a bit its now around 175% of a galaxy that should fit both the show-like and the game aspect of Fleet Operations

posted on September 3rd, 2008, 8:45 pm

FINALLY!
Thank you.

posted on September 4th, 2008, 2:22 am

Hard to believe that it's almost been two years since mixed tech was announced.

[Anonymous]

posted on September 4th, 2008, 4:04 am

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The Dominion is known for conquering and occupying whole worlds, therefore their Mix-Tech feature got a bit special compared to the Mix-Tech of other races. Instead of gaining only one complete new unit for one unique alien technology they will gain their new Mix-Tech vessel for every captured race: The famous Dreadnought! Its basic stats however will be modified dependent on the alien technology you got it from.

V-15 Dreadnought
The Dreadnought is an ultra-heavy Battleship, comparable to the Tavara and other giants. It's quite slow but his devastating armament is able to crush whole fleets. Newer versions of the Dreadnought are also equipped with a Hyperspace Disruptor which will deal double damage to stations. The Dreadnoughts special ability is Overwhelming Presence.
As the Dreadnought costs 6 credits it is a unique tool of war. It's best used within a small fleet to counter and destroy an enemies offense. Its special ability gives you immense control over your opponent, cause his or her vessels won't be able to do much but receiving massive damage. Two Dreadnoughts heading to a base should invoke a Wolf-359 like panic!

I agree that there's nothing more fun than using a warship capable of crushing entire fleets. But using Deep Space Nine as a reference, this ship seems too powerful. First of all, they are called Planetary Defenders, like the ones seen above Cardassia in the Final Episode.

Second, they are capable of crushing whole fleets? I don't think so. While they are very powerful vessels, Jake specifically stated them as being three times as powerful as a Galaxy Class. The ability to crush whole fleets or stations in Fleetops would be an unfair advantage for the Dominion. Lets also not forget that the Defiant and two Birds of Prey destroyed a Battleship in Operation Return.

In conclusion, this ship should get an offensive value reduction or at least bring up the offensive and defensive value of the Galaxy and Sovereign Class ships to make them 1/3 as the strength of the Planetary Defender. The Reman Scimitar should also be equal in strength to the Planetary Defender since Shinzon lead multiple engagements against the Dominion with the Scimitar; all successful.

[Anonymous]

posted on September 4th, 2008, 5:53 am

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First of all, they are called Planetary Defenders, like the ones seen above Cardassia in the Final Episode.

Ive been interested in the Dominion stuff for a long time and thats the first time I heard them being called planetary defenders. While I dont have anything against that name and I can understand why they would be called that way, since they were seen at cardassia. But Id appreciated if you show me your source, cause as far as I know they were simply called the Dominion battleship (Jakes words from DS9)

Second, they are capable of crushing whole fleets? I don't think so. While they are very powerful vessels, Jake specifically stated them as being three times as powerful as a Galaxy Class. The ability to crush whole fleets or stations in Fleetops would be an unfair advantage for the Dominion. Lets also not forget that the Defiant and two Birds of Prey destroyed a Battleship in Operation Return.

First of all, Optec said that to pump us up for the news. He said same thing about the Tavara and do you think its able to destroy entire fleets in FO? I dont think so You can rest assured the thing will be balaced. Also Id like to point out that as it stands the Dominion have the worst "classic" battleship of all the races (IMO of course ) and I really think they could use some more muscles and because you can only have 1 "planetary defender" at a time I REALLY dont think they would unbalance anything.

Secondly lets discuss this 3 times as powerful as a Galaxy class. Is that not VERY powerful? Does that mean that it has 3 times stronger weapons and 3 times stronger shields cause thats a lot of power IMO. About the same as a Tavara, dont you think

On your last point: When exactly did this happen? The only time I remember a "planetary defender" being destroyed was when those 2 huge fleets met (dominion and federation). And I think you can agree that was for cinematic purposes. Also we can never know what kind of damage that ship recieved before the Defiant got to it, cause it exploaded after a few shots. I dont remember any Bird of Preys though. If thats not the example you were thinking please correct me.
I would also like to point out that earlier in the show a Galaxy and 3 runabouts were TOTALLY HUMILIATED by 3 Bugs. I dont want the Galaxy weaker because of this particular incident, cause - like with the "planetary defender" it was a WOW factor in the show and it did not represent the true balance of power.

In conclusion, this ship should get an offensive value reduction or at least bring up the offensive and defensive value of the Galaxy and Sovereign Class ships to make them 1/3 as the strength of the Planetary Defender. The Reman Scimitar should also be equal in strength to the Planetary Defender since Shinzon lead multiple engagements against the Dominion with the Scimitar; all successful.

Yep I agree its points should be 3times higher than a Galaxy and it should be comparable to the Tavara. I have a feeling though that when V3 comes out u'll see it actually has less than 3times the points of a Galaxy.
As I said, its all Optecs way to pump us up for this news Damn him and his lying ways


BTW: Where did u find that Schimitar vs the Dominion? Cause in DS9 the Romulans were pretty badly fucked up by the Dominion.

PS: Nice post on your part, even if I dont entirely agree with it  

posted on September 4th, 2008, 3:15 pm

I would also like to know where the shinzon reference came from. Because during the entire Dominin war he was still on Remus...or whatever that dilithium mine was. If u remember from Nemesis, Shinzon was on the dominion mine until only a few years at most off of Remus. If u've got an actual source, I'd like to see it, really. I just don't think that from the movie timeline, Shinzon even had his schimitar (however u spell it).

posted on September 4th, 2008, 3:30 pm

In the movie, it is stated that he has a record from the Dominion War leading several campains (the Romulans are the kind to put Remans in the line of fire instead of themselves). I don't remember anything about the Scimitar though, because it was built after the War.

posted on September 4th, 2008, 4:25 pm

Whoa! I can't wait to take her for a spin this should be sweet! Admiral Kathryn is looking forward to walking over your fleets. Grrrggggleee..

posted on September 4th, 2008, 8:32 pm

In the movie, it is stated that he has a record from the Dominion War leading several campains (the Romulans are the kind to put Remans in the line of fire instead of themselves). I don't remember anything about the Scimitar though, because it was built after the War.

Right, I forgot about that quote. I suppose they would have especially put him in the line of battle to kill him.

posted on September 5th, 2008, 1:39 am

Yea, I dont know where the referance for the Scimitar in the dominion war is either.  Shinzon is said to have returne victorious from several battles that were deemed unwinnable by the romulan government though.

Question: is the Tavara supposed to be the same class as the Scimitar?, I thought it was something the FO team just came up with.  The Scimitar was black, and a bit meaner looking I thought.  Not to mention armed heavily enough to take on a soveregn class with Picards bridge crew and two Norexean Class ships.

Also, Im sure the dreadnaught will be balanced.  They said it costs 6 credits, so in a standard game, you could have what, 3 of em at most?  And a few Vorcha's/Defiants with well timed poleron torpedoes/Critical Shots, or a sovereign and several Sabres (Sov to kill engines, sabres have range to stay out of the Overwhelming Presence) could disable them long enough to take em out.  A sabotage or three would probably cripple if not destroy it as well.  No ship is invincible, especially with this game engine.  If I can take out Vorlon Prime in the B5 mod, anything can be destroyed. 

One exeption:  Galaxy class with indefinate phase cloak mod made by a friend of mine.  That is just evil.