sizes: 3 or 4?

posted on August 8th, 2009, 3:58 pm

could it be that besides the standard sizes big middle and smal there is also a "overly big" size?
because from a few poss about the breen cruiser i heard that it does the same damage to everything except stations and some ships.
so my litle question: are this ships exceptions or do they have their own size, which then s also used by stations ?

and which ships fall under that category?

posted on August 8th, 2009, 4:00 pm

I don't know if there is a category bigger than large ships, but if there is, I'd expect any Borg ship Sphere-sized and bigger would qualify.

posted on August 8th, 2009, 6:51 pm

There are two categories in fleet operations. Small, Medium, and Large and the second category which is destroyer, cruiser, support, battleship, station etc . These can be combined. So for instance, although the Defiant is a battleship, it is also a medium sized vessel.

The Breen cruiser's torps do increased damage to small vessels, and decreased damage to battleships. Due to the way missrates are calculated, this means that it does the same amount of damage to everything... except that to battleship classifications it has a damage penalty. Tricky, huh?

If you want the real answers about what weapons do what, you will have to look at the odfs, or the specific information for each vessel. Most of this information can be found in the guide, but for individual weapon damage calculations you will have to look through the odfs themselves... 

posted on August 10th, 2009, 4:50 pm

yep, there are 4 unit sizes: small, medium, large and station.
Most gamemechanics treat station-units as large units, but there are some mechanics that take them into account (like tricobalt torpedoes for example).
weapons that deal increased damage against large vessels, dont deal increased damage against stations, unless otherwise written in the tooltip.

The next patch however will upgrade a lot of the interface, as you will be able to see damage and stuff directly on the weapons tooltip. the new tooltips should be easier to read such mechanics stuff

posted on August 10th, 2009, 5:06 pm

HA! Making the guide obsolete eh

I look forward to seeing that: should help a lot I think

posted on August 10th, 2009, 5:09 pm

nah, wie wont put strategies in the tooltips. Its the stuff you see at the moment either way (well except damage and reload times from old beta1 times), just in a better wrap-up

posted on August 10th, 2009, 5:19 pm

I'm sure it will be incredible any way you do it: I think that 3.0.8 will bring back a lot of old players as well as tons of new blood   

posted on August 10th, 2009, 5:27 pm

I'm sure it will be incredible any way you do it: I think that 3.0.8 will bring back a lot of old players as well as tons of new blood   

Man ive been hooked since before 3.0PR.  Each new patch has only made me want to play more 

posted on August 11th, 2009, 1:45 pm

woo, more numbers^^
i really look forward to see some more detailed in-game info^^, maybe we could even get a bit more different firerates and damages with the fed phasers^^

posted on August 11th, 2009, 2:20 pm

Can the font size be smaller? Some tool tips go all the way up the screen... And I do not what tool tips that will blind me from possible incoming ships while I'm trying to figure out which ship is which.

posted on August 11th, 2009, 2:46 pm

You should be able to turn tooltips off by clicking on one of the buttons in the top right corner Gamer

posted on August 11th, 2009, 2:49 pm

Wasn't the tooltip toggle disabled?

posted on August 11th, 2009, 5:20 pm

No idea honestly: I only remember fiddling around with it in PR... sooo