Ship Classes

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:32 pm

I was wondering the other day about the classes or ships are. i know that there are destroyers in game as well cruisers, battleships, and carriers. However are there any smaller ships classes in game like the frigate and corvette?

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:33 pm

if you dont see them in your yards or sbases chances are you cant build them 

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:57 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I generally consider the excelcior2(or b) a frigate, though it would be nice to see corvetts, gunships, and dreadnoughts for all the races.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:05 pm

I´d like to know what all this ship classifications mean exactly, i mean i have some rough understanding about dreadnoughts and battleships.

It´s all about strategic roles the ship types play i guess, could someone please enlighten me (us) ?

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:09 pm

Yah, it usually helps you stragitise and balance your fleet. 
Also helps with deciding between Offence and defence.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:19 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I generally consider the excelcior2(or b) a frigate, though it would be nice to see corvetts, gunships, and dreadnoughts for all the races.

I don't think the Federation seems like a dreadnought kind of race, definitely don't see the Romulans going for gunships, and I don't think the Borg would quite know what to do with a corvette.

I'm always a bit wary of making new classes because of issues with redundancy. I mean, in my personal Armada II build, some of the factions have torpedo cruisers (open battle with a flurry of heavy-hitting weapons, but get torn to ribbons if they don't wipe out the adversary within the first ten seconds or so of battle), gunships (although I call them heavy destroyers; the Defiant-class is among these in my game, although it's not quite canon to DS9 [though an improvement over stock] and only a couple factions have them), basic science ships (weak destroyers with powerful researchable special weapons, like the Nova- and Rasilak-classes), and fighter interdictors (most frigates double for these, with multi-targeting or chain-reaction weapons that can wipe out smaller ships but don't give them much advantage against cruisers or larger). But I definitely think giving every faction analogs to new classes, especially in a mod like Fleet Ops where ships are carefully designed and balanced to avoid redundancy wherever possible, is a step toward stock.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:28 pm

Well, maby the Feds wouldn't have a dreadnought, though thats what I consider the excalibur, its just not cannon.  However, corvetts seem like federation, and gunships are very klingon, the Dominion have Dreadnoughts, and ihe Romies, I think would do good with Interdicsors.  I guess What Im trying to say is that I think Fleet Ops should have more than just, Destroyers, Cruisers, battle ships, and the occasional, Dreadnought or carrier.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:36 pm

While I've always liked the design of the Excalibur-class, I've never thought it to be a particularly viable ship for Starfleet. Instead of going dramatically bigger and heavier in case of a serious threat, the Federation would - I think - just build 500- to 700-meter "enhanced deterrence explorers" carrying around ubertech like transphasic torpedoes, maybe a phaser cannon, some tri-cobalt devices, fighter-bombers with quantum torpedoes, maybe MVAM capabilities, maybe transwarp or slipstream drive if they could get them to work. They'd build a dozen or so of them and put them on high-profile patrol duty.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:45 pm

Still I think you are right, thats my bad , Dreads are not for the Feds.

no pun intended

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:48 pm

The Federation may not be the 'dreadnought' type of race, but they are smart enough to know a defence is needed.

According to Memory Alpha, a Dreadnought is a type of heavily armed vessel larger than a cruiser. Ships like Galaxy, Sovereign & Descent might be able to pass for dreadnoughts. Even if Starfleet doesn't call them that, doesn't mean others won't.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:57 pm

Thats true. Especially if you consider how the Klingons talked about the Galaxy in Generations

posted on March 31st, 2009, 10:09 pm

But thankfully, with Picard gone, Riker and the others were able to level the playing field against the klingons by acting extremely stupid. 

Back to topic: I think the feds have the same ship classes as anyone else, they just label them differently, it´s a philosophy thing. The Klingons don´t honor anything that can´t blow up things, the Rommies on the other hand would do anything to archieve their goals, aslong as it´s cunning in some way.
The Dominion has a lot of everything and the Borg, well the Borg just are. 

posted on March 31st, 2009, 10:17 pm

Maybe...but that doesn't mean the feds don't need more variety. 

posted on March 31st, 2009, 10:18 pm

Sadly, the 'variety' that the Feds tend to produce is almost entirely in using their technology in ways that it was never meant for.

Including diverting all warp power through the deflector array to make a super-cannon to try to kill a cube that was already adapted against the attack.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 10:21 pm

...and totally failing at transwarp...and phase cloak...