For Myles: Constitution class

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:43 pm

The connie was at the battle of wolf 359.

That raises the question: Why WOULDNT there be more connies in secondary support positions around the federation ?

They use the same systems as the Miranda, which serves in large numbers, but are larger and more suited for slightly longer missions, and due to being larger could even be further upgraded. Such a vessel would make a great way to give a useful officer a command, or make a flagship for an officer who normaly would have to eschew such a luxury due to his command having too few ships.




And yes, that's a studio model connie.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:46 pm

If Constitutions are still active, they're probably civilian or stolen. Miranda was seen a lot, Constitution was not.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:48 pm

Riiiight.

We've seen how many starships go civie ?

Other than Oberth's I dont think any.

The connie, without upgrades, is capable of glassing planets.

No way that'd go to civies.

It'd just get an low level role, the connie at wolf359 was likely acting as a patrol and general utility ship and just happend to be avalible.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:50 pm

dead picture.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:53 pm

you want more? lol.

you cant even link properly, eas dont allow that, make it a link to the page.

a vfx error putting the connie at wolf 359 isnt strong evidence, you're grasping at straws, must be embarassing for you.

even if there magically were connies around in tng canon fleetops is set so much later. there arent any combat connies left.

starfleet dont have the manpower to man so many ships, sometimes u just gotta scrap the oldies and build new. real life has the same thing.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:55 pm

dead picture.

There ya go, forgot that EAS stopped allowing ya to use their bandwidth a while back.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:57 pm

The connie, without upgrades, is capable of glassing planets.

No way that'd go to civies.

That's kinda the point of stripping ships of anything dangerous when they're removed from service. Not much thought needed to figure that out.

It'd just get an low level role, the connie at wolf359 was likely acting as a patrol and general utility ship and just happend to be avalible.

Or was a training ship or mothballed ship they knew was needed.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 7:58 pm

several things about that:

1) even if it was a connie, there were plenty of stupid kitbashes in that graveyard. vfx were terrible back then. its a weak source.

2) all you can see is an engineering hull which resembles the connie's. there was no canon identification of it as a connie, so it cant be proven its a connie. maybe another ship type which was produced rarely has a similar engineering hull. maybe a connie's engineering hull was used in a kitbash ship. 1 of a kind thing. maybe with some excel parts.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:00 pm

2) all you can see is an engineering hull which resembles the connie's. there was no canon identification of it as a connie, so it cant be proven its a connie. maybe another ship type which was produced rarely has a similar engineering hull. maybe a connie's engineering hull was used in a kitbash ship. 1 of a kind thing. maybe with some excel parts.

Talk about streching, using 'could have been' speculation as a source...

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:01 pm

How's that different from your (identical) approach?

"A bit of debris looks like a part of X, therefore it must come from X!"

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:02 pm

Talk about streching, using 'could have been' speculation as a source...

this from the person who posted the above image showing very little of a ship in a poorly done vfx graveyard full of misfits and crazy kitbashes? you gotta be kidding me

you're stretching to find evidence for the connie being around later. face it, your argument doesnt hold water, and u cant patch it up with weak evidence like that image.

How's that different from your (identical) approach?

"A bit of debris looks like a part of X, therefore it must come from X!"

i agree, otherwise the millenium falcon is trek canon guess janeway can force choke the borg queen after all.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:15 pm

u cant patch it up with weak evidence like that image.

weak evidence beats NO evidence.

We have a connie hull in the graveyard.

We have USS Republic, a ship Kirk served on in 2254 which served until at least 2374 when mentioned in a DS9 episode as not having even left Sol system within 30 years.

That would imply that it was a training vessel which was NOT rushed into the battle at 359.

THAT would imply that the connie at 359 was an active service vessel, albiet a rare one..

Afterall, the MIRANDA class was also still in use. The Miranda's were produced in larger numbers, and kept working, and used the same systems, so keeping a low nunber of connies in service would not be that hard to do.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:19 pm

The Class of the USS Republic was never revealed. The only source I know of for a class is a marvel comic book that lists it as something called a Baton Rouge Class.

posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:26 pm

The Class of the USS Republic was never revealed. The only source I know of for a class is a marvel comic book that lists it as something called a Baton Rouge Class.

Indeed plus it was also, as I recall, a refrence to 'The Final Reflection' (a TOS novel) as I recall, I think that was the book anyway. Something that dealt with TOS klinks and did it well anyway.

What I meant by the republic was showing vessels of that age were still being used, albiet mostly mothballed/retired, or just kept empty and just sitting ready to go if needed.

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posted on April 27th, 2011, 8:27 pm

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weak evidence beats NO evidence.

evidence for connies being decommed:

• never saw any in tng era- graveyard partial stuff dont count, actual connies or go away
• but we did see loads of mirandas/excels indicating that they are easier to refit
• the ent a was scrapped in VI despite the fact it was only comissioned a short while before

its you who has almost no evidence.

We have a connie hull in the graveyard.

no we dont, we have something that looks like the bottom of a connie. saying "its a connie" would be wrong. correct is "it looks like the bottom of a connie", which is far less powerful

We have USS Republic, a ship Kirk served on in 2254 which served until at least 2374 when mentioned in a DS9 episode as not having even left Sol system within 30 years.

you dont know what you're talking about, the republic mentioned in tng and the republic mentioned as a training vessel were never said to be the same ship. it would be silly for a 125 year old ship to be a training vessel, it would teach them about outdated stuff. even if they are the same ship, neither were mentioned to be constitution class.

also the fact that the republic had "never left the sol system for 30 years" doesnt mean its connie old. maybe its an excelsior that didnt get refitted between tmp and tng. maybe its a constellation class that were considered obsolete by tng era (hathaway). the constellations were newer than the connies as well (ignoring the stupid dedication plaque with the old dates)

That would imply that it was a training vessel which was NOT rushed into the battle at 359.

THAT would imply that the connie at 359 was an active service vessel, albiet a rare one..

these implications are reasoning from a flawed premise, therefore they are meaningless.

Afterall, the MIRANDA class was also still in use. The Miranda's were produced in larger numbers, and kept working, and used the same systems, so keeping a low nunber of connies in service would not be that hard to do.

and? that implies the miranda was easier to refit. they were smaller and cheaper. they were useful even up to the dominion war.