the S-7 and V-15 Dreadnought

posted on March 18th, 2011, 12:18 am

ok so i has a ? .....the bug was in the tv show and in fleet ops the dominion can build the bug ship.
The V-13 was in the show ,and in fleet ops you can build the V-13. The V-15 was in the show , But in fleet ops you can only build it if you have mix tech .......?? why.The dominion dont have many ships in the tv show ...only 3 ....so why is the V-15 in with the mix tech and not with dominion Puretech. could be just me but would it not make more scene to switch the S-7 model with the  V-15 model , and the S-7 even looks more mix tech then the V-15 , and the V-15 is a dominion creation not a mix of dominion and some other race's tech. .......well i dont really care that the V15 is in mix tech but i have been just brain storming trying to figure out the logic behind the mix tech. Also please dont make a reference to moving the V-15 to puretech would make it out of balance because its just a model nothing more .... you could give a saber the same stats as a tavara if you wanted to.

posted on March 18th, 2011, 12:23 am

hmmmm i perhaps because in the tv show the V-15 is thought to be very very powerful .....and had they used its model in the place that the S-7  then it would have been destroyed to easy. ........or perhaps the model looked funny when building in the Shipyard (ship too big )  .....any other ideas

posted on March 18th, 2011, 12:52 am

hmmmm i perhaps because in the tv show the V-15 is thought to be very very powerful .....and had they used its model in the place that the S-7  then it would have been destroyed to easy. ........or perhaps the model looked funny when building in the Shipyard (ship too big )  .....any other ideas

Yes. Other ideas are that mixed-tech offers unique ships to each faction except for the Borg (there mixed-tech only offers unique modules for one particular vessel that's available anyways).
For the Dominion, the V-15 is cool to be in mixed-tech. The Dominion on the show had so many non-agression-pacts and dealt out alliances (or at least tried to), so it's not impossible that the V-15 is built of combined-tech usually.


And the S-7 is a unique vessel for the Pure-tech avatar only, one single ship of those can technically attack and kill a starbase on it's own (assuming there are only long-ranged vessels in the opponent's defense. Their slow speed basically makes them either good base-defenders or base-attackers. If your opponent sends his fleet towards you and accidentally runs into 3-5 or even all eight Defenders you can get he'll have serious trouble too.

Complaining about why ships are available the way it is in FO isn't the way to go if you ask me. Just try things out and have fun 

posted on March 18th, 2011, 1:24 am

I think a non mixed-tech V-15 would suck since it doesn't have the cool bonuses. You should easily be able to get it in a 2v2 on up unless all your allies are Dominion, and you'll never tech up that far in a 1v1, so it's fine in mixed-tech I think.

posted on March 18th, 2011, 2:26 am

Considering the infiltration skills of the Founders, the time they spent infiltrating various powers and the lack of info on its construction, making it a Mixed-Tech ship isn't that far-fetched.

posted on March 18th, 2011, 2:51 am

well i was asking y might they use the model for the V15 for a more standard buildable  ship rather then the S-7 ....and

I think a non mixed-tech V-15 would suck since it doesn't have the cool bonuses. You should easily be able to get it in a 2v2 on up unless all your allies are Dominion, and you'll never tech up that far in a 1v1, so it's fine in mixed-tech I think.

this has no relevance nor does it suggest a possible reason. however tyler does make  a point...... and after further research i cant find any evidence that the dominion had any of these ships in the gamma quadrant . so it does look like they were constructed in the alpha quadrant

posted on March 18th, 2011, 2:40 pm

Yes i wondered this also, i think they should make it buildable but less powerful for normal tech and then a mixed tech version as is.

posted on March 18th, 2011, 3:31 pm

In the first episode the dreadnought appeared Watters (the cadet in command of the Valiant) stated he was under orders to collect data on a "NEW" dominion battleship. Given that statement its reasonable to assume it was constructed based off information obtained by the dominion during their stay in the alpha quadrent. And the fact that it was relatively late in the series (end of season 6) its also reasonable to assume they didnt build too many of these mammoth costly battleships, so the limit of 2 makes sense.

[machinor]

posted on March 18th, 2011, 4:35 pm

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Also, mixed-tech ships are experimental ships and the V-15 is definitely an experimental ship in the series.

I really think the ingame-solution for it is perfect since as mixed-tech ship it can be as powerful as it is right now and it won't block up a shipyard, that you might need for other ships, with its very long build time. Plus it does not need a prototype that way.
And if you aim for it you can tech to Dreadnoughts comparatively fast.

posted on March 19th, 2011, 12:55 pm

The Dominion was allied with the Cardassians and there large Cardassian yards producing Dominion ships. Thats mixed-tech!

posted on March 19th, 2011, 2:09 pm

The Dominion was allied with the Cardassians and there large Cardassian yards producing Dominion ships. Thats mixed-tech!

Thats assumption.

According to memory alpha its just a ship made for planetary defense, doesnt say anything about it only being built by the cardasians in mixed tech yards.

posted on March 19th, 2011, 2:16 pm

No Dominion yards were shown in canon (in the Alpha Quadrent, at least), and MA identifies all Cardassian yards as 'Cardassian-Dominion shipyards' with the main article saying some were under Dominion control. All we get from canon is the implication it was built in a Cardassian yard.

Whether or not they were directly involved or just supplied the yard and resources isn't mentioned, though.

posted on March 19th, 2011, 2:17 pm

According to memory alpha its just a ship made for planetary defense

the ma on the ship doesnt say that, it doesnt say much, as there isnt much canon info on the dread (thats not even in canon either)

the only yards we saw the dominion and cardassians using appeared to be of cardassian design. its reasonably to conjecture that the dominion just used mostly existing cardassian yards, and cardassian designs, as the cardassians would have to be involved in building/repairing them.

none of these were in the reinforcements coming through the wormhole in sacrifice of angels, so its very likely that the design was new.