Rom Kling D7

posted on November 15th, 2004, 10:46 pm

It's a good ship alright, reliable and easy to maintain (or else the Klingon fleet would have gotten rid of them a long time ago), but so are Mirandas, and Excelsiors; and by the end of the Dominion wars there were not many left of either.
Plus, the Romulans never had a lot of D7s in the first place, they acquired some of them from the Klingons because they were a lot better than the old Rommie BoPs, but they never built any of them themselves.
So probably they had no production facilities to build (/replicate) specialized spare parts etc. And the D7s couldn't rely on standardized Romulan supplies only, so they must have been really expensive to maintain after a while.
If it were a TMP era mod I'd be the first to welcome these ships, but in the late 24th century I suppose there's not many of them left.

posted on November 16th, 2004, 12:15 am

the d7 class batlecruser itself was not handed over only the disign

posted on November 16th, 2004, 6:23 am

and nevertheless the roms wouldnt use it anymore.
i mean, think about it, in this timeline, the d'deridex warbird is old and they are building newer and more efficient ships.. why the hell should they build a klingon ship made hundreds of years ago, when they can build better romulan ships at all? it makes no sense. even the smaller ships are more effective in a fight than this clumsy thing. i repeat: it just makes no sense at all.

posted on November 17th, 2004, 3:05 am

yet in the dominion war the federation made 23 new classes out of spare parts and used achint ships i bet evint dadulious class scouts were used and now the dominion zare a race so all races shood have good old fasion ships in their fleet

posted on November 17th, 2004, 8:48 am

23 new classes? Never heard that and Daedalus class? You know how old that is?

posted on November 18th, 2004, 1:24 am

yes i do it was the first ships the federation it diddant evint have subspace raido

posted on November 18th, 2004, 2:56 am

Dude that makes NO sense at all. Free, heavily industrialized societies have more trouble recruiting soldiers than equipping them. It would likely be true 300 years in the future also. Envision hundreds of Akiras sitting around with no one to crew them. That's the likely Dominion war scenario. The suggestion that a bunch of mirandas were being scraped up for the final assault on Cardassia out of spare parts or something is ridiculous. At the start of the war maybe, but not after a couple years.

posted on November 18th, 2004, 3:53 am

nope in the dominion war anny shi you could think of was their

posted on November 18th, 2004, 2:56 pm

Again, do you have any idea how difficult it is to refit ships? The US Navy has tried before and never seems to keep hulls afloat beyond 30 years (with the rare exception of a few conventionally powered carriers). Weapons get old, and defense systems get really old, really fast. Now in Star Trek, how much trouble do you suppose it is to refit shield generators? Oops, they don't work without enough energy, so now we need to refit the warp core too. Oops, that will blow the EPS, so repipe the whole ship's EPS system. Gee now you've screwed the power distro and the computer exploded. Better replace that too (get the picture)?

By the time you're done it would have been easier to build a new spaceframe (Akira or Steamrunner most likely). So please no more goofiness. A miranda would be blown into a billion pieces by a single dominion destroyer. As I said somewhere else, a Danube runabout has a better chance against modern weapons than a 23rd century ship.

posted on November 18th, 2004, 11:29 pm

a the federation was buildinfg a refit version b a ship itself doersant get refit usaly only the the disign

posted on November 19th, 2004, 1:20 am

The life of a B-52 made in the 50's is 100 years, basically the same as a Miranda. We will be able to use them far into the next century.

Not everything will be worthless in 30 years or so.

[coolhandab]

posted on November 19th, 2004, 7:08 pm

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Well yes but we're using those airplanes against the equivalents of primordial ooze, as far as their air defense capabilities go. If we were to fight someone with real air capability like the Russians, Chinese, Indians, etc. those planes would be destroyed almost immediately.

Thus proving my original point

posted on November 19th, 2004, 7:46 pm

no matter how many ships the feds rebuild in the dominion war, we´re talking about the romulans. and you didnt see any old ship beside the warbird in the shows... so why the hell you wanna get this old klingon ship for the roms? it makes no f***in sense

posted on November 19th, 2004, 8:33 pm

Have you any ideas about the defensive systems on a present day B-52? I've heard of them taking 4 SAM missile hits and still flying before too. Durable and dangerous planes in my mind. Thus proving my point.

[coolhandab]

posted on November 20th, 2004, 1:18 am

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Your right Praetor they can survive a lot of splash damage. It comes down to how many warheads of what size detonate how close. We'll have to agree to disagree about the capabilities of the new Russian SAM systems and how many other countries can actually buy and deploy (some scary sh*t, seriously, look up the SA-20).

Actually here's a good link: SA-20 SAM system