Return of Technology capture/assimilation.

posted on December 7th, 2009, 10:33 pm

Voiced this idea in the mixed tech hybrid topic, but it seems to go unnoticed.

[qupte]
I'd love to see a return of technology capture (Borg technology assimilation) to either give the option of incorporating said tech into ship designs or strongly reducing it's effectiveness.

The technology capture can also go in the direction of opening up a new technology.
E.g. fed capture klingon k'vort with shield breaking torpedo's, fed transport captured k'vort to science center to analyze technology and fed receive a new tech to research (multi-layered shields).

Fed capture veteran rhienn , analyze Aldovh Type Cloak and receive option to research "counter cloak phaser burst" aimed at last location of cloaked vessel.[/quote]

Ideas, suggestions, remarks.

posted on December 7th, 2009, 10:43 pm

This should be added back in, but only for the Borg. Removing it buggered the whole point of Assimilation; technology theft.

[Nebula_Class_Ftw]

posted on December 7th, 2009, 10:56 pm

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Although the borg would theoretically get tech this way, they would already have done so on Delta Quadrant species, meaning the other factions probably don't have anything the borg haven't already assimilated.  I think this should be added back in for all factions except the borg, as the Federation doesn't already have Klingon style tech to look at like the Borg certainly do (the Borg have probably come across and assimilated a thousand Klingon style cloaks by the setting of Fleet Ops.)  If the Borg got new tech every time they captured a Fed vessel then they would have been changing every episode. Maybe Borg could get limited advantages against certain abilities, but again, they already have a crapload of technology assimilated. Also, I may not have been playing fleet operations for long, but it seems like assimilated ships aren't as powerful as they should be, considering they've had all this borg tech added in.  Only difference seems to be a slightly different model that has some borg sections added and I think I saw an assimilated ship once using borg weaponry, but maybe my memory is faulty (never seen it on destroyers or most fed cruisers i'm sure.)

posted on December 7th, 2009, 10:59 pm

That just makes me think that if you turn the tech-assimilation beam on a ship that has nothing new for you, it would be how the Borg react to things vigorously shooting them that have no new tech.  Their continued existance is irrelevant.  Destroy the vessel.

And just cut it to pieces.

[Tyler]

posted on December 7th, 2009, 11:02 pm

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Although the borg would theoretically get tech this way, they would already have done so on Delta Quadrant species, meaning the other factions probably don't have anything the borg haven't already assimilated.  I think this should be added back in for all factions except the borg, as the Federation doesn't already have Klingon style tech to look at like the Borg certainly do (the Borg have probably come across and assimilated a thousand Klingon style cloaks by the setting of Fleet Ops.)  If the Borg got new tech every time they captured a Fed vessel then they would have been changing every episode. Maybe Borg could get limited advantages against certain abilities, but again, they already have a crapload of technology assimilated. Also, I may not have been playing fleet operations for long, but it seems like assimilated ships aren't as powerful as they should be, considering they've had all this borg tech added in.  Only difference seems to be a slightly different model that has some borg sections added and I think I saw an assimilated ship once using borg weaponry, but maybe my memory is faulty (never seen it on destroyers or most fed cruisers i'm sure.)

1. The whole point of Assimilation.
2. You assume tech research during a conflict is stationary and doesn't change...?
3. The whole point of Assimilation.
4. You make it seem like Assimilation is useless now, so why not remove it entirely and be done with it?

[Nebula_Class_Ftw]

posted on December 7th, 2009, 11:11 pm

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The Borg have already assimilated lots of species. I seriously doubt the Federation Klingons Dominion and Romulans are special so that they have tech that none of the species the borg have already assimilated have. The exceptions would be Transphasic torps and that hull armor form voyager, but Voyager really took believability way too far and luckily those aren't used in fleet ops. It might be a nice slight-stretch-of-Star-Trek feature though and in the end is up to the devs whether this will ever be a part of fleet ops.

That just makes me think that if you turn the tech-assimilation beam on a ship that has nothing new for you, it would be how the Borg react to things vigorously shooting them that have no new tech.  Their continued existance is irrelevant.  Destroy the vessel.

And just cut it to pieces.

I think the Borg would still want the resources, maybe deconstruct it for some nice dilithium, supply, and tritanium to make assimilating vessels give you a construction boost (get that cube a little bit faster using the resources from the other guy's five intrepids  >:D .)

[Tyler]

posted on December 7th, 2009, 11:25 pm

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Borg attack = develop defense = tech they cannot defend against = assimilate that tech = force new defences to be made.

How many races they assimilated before is meaningless, an advanced and creative race will always find ways to surprise the Borg.

posted on December 7th, 2009, 11:41 pm

[...] Also, I may not have been playing fleet operations for long, but it seems like assimilated ships aren't as powerful as they should be, considering they've had all this borg tech added in.  Only difference seems to be a slightly different model that has some borg sections added and I think I saw an assimilated ship once using borg weaponry, but maybe my memory is faulty (never seen it on destroyers or most fed cruisers i'm sure.)

Assimilated vessels will get some goodies in future patches - currently the "Borgie bits" on Fed ships are a trial thingie. Other stuff will be added later. No assimilated vessels use Borg weaponry 

As far as I know, Optec has stated in the past that Borg technology capture will not be added back in, but adaption will get some more unique features (special resistances etc).

Mixed tech will get some more features in general (more ship designs, a slightly different way of balancing and building vessels) but it is meant to be a special thing. Mixed tech will remain limited to express this (the overall focus is on the "ordinary vessels"), and you will not see everyone flying around with quantum torpedoes, Borg regenerative systems and the ilk just because you captured an enemy vessel 

posted on December 12th, 2009, 1:03 pm

Although the borg would theoretically get tech this way, they would already have done so on Delta Quadrant species, meaning the other factions probably don't have anything the borg haven't already assimilated.  I think this should be added back in for all factions except the borg, as the Federation doesn't already have Klingon style tech to look at like the Borg certainly do (the Borg have probably come across and assimilated a thousand Klingon style cloaks by the setting of Fleet Ops.)  If the Borg got new tech every time they captured a Fed vessel then they would have been changing every episode. Maybe Borg could get limited advantages against certain abilities, but again, they already have a crapload of technology assimilated. Also, I may not have been playing fleet operations for long, but it seems like assimilated ships aren't as powerful as they should be, considering they've had all this borg tech added in.  Only difference seems to be a slightly different model that has some borg sections added and I think I saw an assimilated ship once using borg weaponry, but maybe my memory is faulty (never seen it on destroyers or most fed cruisers i'm sure.)

i mentioned a while back that when u assimilate a vessel it should recieve bonuse to its stats to show it now used borg tech

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:02 pm

i mentioned a while back that when u assimilate a vessel it should recieve bonuse to its stats to show it now used borg tech

But it's not using Borg tech completely.  It's still got shields, possibly a cloaking device, and different weapons.  If you make it completely Borg then you'd be capturing an enemy ship and making it completely different, which the Borg (as far as I know) didn't really do.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:07 pm

The Borg upgrade captured ships with their own tech, as they have done with each assimilated ship seen in the show. Upped stats show that it has been enhanced, not that they ripped out the systems in favor of Borg ones.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 2:09 pm

well said thats exactly what i meant