RER's ideas for the Steamrunner

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on May 1st, 2011, 8:04 pm

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on May 1st, 2011, 8:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

So.. the Steamrunner escaped from fighting by not responding to distress calls anymore. What cowards!

Well... since the Teutoburg took over strategic bombardment-support, I would like to suggest the Steamrunner being among the avatar-specific starships for one of the upcoming two fed-avatars.

It could be right between the Akira and Intrepid in stats and have a very nice special ability (and have a phaser with rapid fire pattern).

I know most fed-likers will cry about such a thing, however think about it; Feds have a nice, very nice spectrum of starships already and the warpin will be filled with even more ships sooner or later. Also, the very cool Nova and Norway are exclusive to Mayson, the also very cool Phalanx and Avalon are exclusive to Risner so why not having the very cool Steamrunner exclusive to Lewitt or whoever will be the other avatar then?   


Edit: First idea for a special weapon:

Deflector pulse - dealing XX damage with a chance to disable the enemy life support (Best of both worlds showed it is dangerous to use the deflector as a weapon)

The Steamrunner is equipped with a larger main deflector than other small and medium federation-vessels and could use that thing as improvising weapon while in a pinch.

First idea for a standard-passive:

Scientific sensor-equipment / advanced astrometrics:

The Steamrunner has a superior sensor-system and shows that by having a sensor range close to a scoutship.

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 5:27 am

I'd love the steam runner to be a useful non artillery ship. The idea we need more artillery is silly. Maybe a medium range interceptor. for some new avatar would be neater.

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 11:31 am

I'd love the steam runner to be a useful non artillery ship. The idea we need more artillery is silly. Maybe a medium range interceptor. for some new avatar would be neater.

Medium-range interceptor isn't what I'd propose.

In terms of weapons it should only have a phaser in my opinion, let it have a rather fast firing rate but being weak with single shots.

The special weapon being a deflector pulse would make sense because of the large deflector dish (the Steamrunner's one is laaaaaaaarge)

And Star Trek Invasion portrayed the featured Steamrunner-class vessel in one of the missions as being a science-vessel, so I'd stay with my large sensor radius-passive since we never learned on canon what the Steamie is good for and good at.

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 11:43 am

Perhaps some of these ideas? Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Steamrunner/Miranda shuffle

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 11:49 am

Perhaps some of these ideas? Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Steamrunner/Miranda shuffle

Not really mate

I personally would like to see the Steamrunner being an avatar-specific unit for one of the upcoming fed-avatars, that's what I told in the first post.

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 12:25 pm

I think it needs atleast one photon.  Even if it is only for show and deals very little damage, I would want it to be able to stand up to bigger ships for a bit and I think we saw it firing torpedoes in FC.

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 1:09 pm

I think it needs atleast one photon.  Even if it is only for show and deals very little damage, I would want it to be able to stand up to bigger ships for a bit and I think we saw it firing torpedoes in FC.

No, the Steamrunner did fire phasers, no photons.



Also the federation has so many vessels with photons in FO that one ship without them wouldn't hurt in any way.

The Intrepid and the Akira are the Antares-torpers (and Maysons Nova), let the Steamrunner out of this

posted on May 2nd, 2011, 2:51 pm

As in the other thread, I wouldn't mind the Steamrunner having a varient that is artillery. The Nebula shows Starfleet has different variations of the same Class for different roles.

Mainly because I actually like the thing as artillery, just not the whole class dedicated to that role.

posted on May 5th, 2011, 9:34 am

I think it needs atleast one photon.  Even if it is only for show and deals very little damage, I would want it to be able to stand up to bigger ships for a bit and I think we saw it firing torpedoes in FC.

Well if thats the case, the sabre needs a photon for show, as do martok BoPs.

No, the Steamrunner did fire phasers, no photons.


Also the federation has so many vessels with photons in FO that one ship without them wouldn't hurt in any way.

The Intrepid and the Akira are the Antares-torpers (and Maysons Nova), let the Steamrunner out of this

The whole balance of fed ships is they carry a mix of photons AND phasers, with the photons having a chance to miss (however the past few TV series had the ship always hit for dramatic purposes).

To be honest the current fed setup is QUITE silly when you look at it from a trek logic prespective.

For example, the Sov and the Torpedo Pod Nebula both have IDENTICAL torpedos. Same refire, same damage, same burst number, only differnce is that one fires photons and one fires quantum torpeos.

Then you take the fed phaser only ships.... the Sensor Nebula does a LOT more damage with it's phasers than the torpedo nebula, even tho it's the same ship (and despite the vessel in canon having a photon too). Ditto the norway, does the DPS to fit into it's place on the tech tree... with beam only. Ditto sabre (that said you almost NEVER see it built cause it mostly sucks unless you have a few with hyper impulse to provide disposable cover).

What needs to be done is a total re-work of fed loadout (have the general DPS remain the same per ship of course), for example in that clip you showed the Akira could fire three photons from it's rollbar and Four from the ventral surface of the saucer, yet the Akira in flops has a single photon and a single damage, and on an unranked akira they do the same damage.

As in the other thread, I wouldn't mind the Steamrunner having a varient that is artillery. The Nebula shows Starfleet has different variations of the same Class for different roles.

Mainly because I actually like the thing as artillery, just not the whole class dedicated to that role.

Agreed, re-add it as an arty warpin (with the normal version buildable), and have it have the same chance to show up as the Nova class warpin (dunno what the % is but I have never had that warpin).

posted on May 5th, 2011, 9:49 am

Agreed, re-add it as an arty warpin (with the normal version buildable), and have it have the same chance to show up as the Nova class warpin (dunno what the % is but I have never had that warpin).

No. I would not like it to be that way when it comes back.

And my proposal is basically 0% about phasers/photons/volley/single and so on. 

I simply told that I'd like the Steamrunner to be avatar-specific (may be even another third support vessel) for one of the upcoming fed-avatars and to give it no torps because federation has so many torpedoes already.

Federation ships not being canon is irrelevant 

posted on May 5th, 2011, 9:55 am

Federation ships not being canon is irrelevant 

No it isn't.

If it is why not give them a death star.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on May 5th, 2011, 10:01 am

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on May 5th, 2011, 10:10 am, edited 1 time in total.

No it isn't.

If it is why not give them a death star.

Well, the fed ships are fed ships, but honestly: If you would make them as canon as possible, they'd all be just the same; besides a few exceptions there would be no specialist and you could use almost any fed ship against almost any opponents ship. Same goes for other races then and this means:

"Gee, that's worse than stock Armada II and Legacy combined!"

Although I feel the look of the Akira's and Defiant's firepatterns as they are right now a little boring too.


Edit: And again;

This thread is about making the proposal to make the Steamrunner Avatar-specific and buildable.
I only suggested phaser-only because (like everyone will agree) the feds already have so many torpedo-armed ships.

posted on May 5th, 2011, 10:12 am

Although I feel the look of the Akira's and Defiant's firepatterns as they are right now a little boring too.

Well that's the beauty of what I've BEEN suggesting, you not only give ships more unique fire patterns, but spread out the damage and allow for more even balance.

For example, the Akira, while it spams torpedos, it could be given a much lower chance to hit smaller ships with them (and it's phaser would be much weaker, as it's a torp spammer).

Any of the larger fed ships would balance inteligently under this, they fire torps yes but the beams are what hits smaller ships.

For the smaller torp armed fed ships (IE: Sabre) it could have a very low refire rate, so it 'has' a photon, and can hit with it because the ship is so mall, but it does not do much DPS. Same for the Martok BoPs (of course klink ships rely on micro photons for some reason... )

posted on May 5th, 2011, 10:14 am

Well that's the beauty of what I've BEEN suggesting, you not only give ships more unique fire patterns, but spread out the damage and allow for more even balance.

The problem is: What you suggest is completely different from what I proposed in my first post.

If you want to make aesthetic requests, please create your own threads.

posted on May 5th, 2011, 5:59 pm

I would give it, if no torpedos, two phasers.  One ok powered medium ranged one and another close range that dealt significant damage to smaller ships.  I would also give the ship decent speed.

I wouldn't make its shields and hull very strong though. Probably equivalent to the norway or something.

Oh, and as Tyler suggested, I would give it the ability to be refitted with Artillery weapons like it was before.  This could be mixed tech too.