Refitted Ambassador Class

[Nefrance]

posted on July 22nd, 2007, 12:02 am

Last edited by Nefrance on July 22nd, 2007, 11:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I think the ambassador class could be refitted to the latest federation technology (quantum torpedoes etc.) to be in fleet operations.

If not, what would be some new ship ideas for future versions? 

posted on July 23rd, 2007, 12:41 am

i know its am old ship but how about Miranda class starships?  they looked pretty kick ass

posted on July 23rd, 2007, 1:02 am

The Miranda class is a great ship, however it might need some upgrades to withstand the borg. Many Miranda were destroyed at Wolf 359. Another good ship is the Constitution Class. That would be Kirks ship. The Enterprise and the Enterprise-A were both constitutions. 

posted on July 23rd, 2007, 1:08 am

There is also the oberth class. That's the ship that the genesis project was researched on.

posted on July 23rd, 2007, 3:00 am

The constitution class is the same length (perhaps a tad longer) then the galaxy class's warp nacelle and nearly a hundred years old. I'd think it fair to say that it wouldn't be worth a refit to post-nemesis technology. (which I believe is when FO is set). 
Archers enterprise is already in FO...its called the Akira class >.>;

posted on July 23rd, 2007, 5:34 pm

There's almost a decade gap between the galaxy class project and more advanced (but smaller) ships such as the Akiraprise class and the Prometheus. I think it's far more reasonable to have the Galaxy class upgraded somewhat. But that's just my arrogant opinion 

posted on July 24th, 2007, 11:03 am

"akiraprise class"? dude the NX class is Akiraprise... the Akira class is just Akira.
Plus i dont think the Akira is nessasarily a more advanced ship than the Galaxy, it contains the same lvl of tech, it is just meant to fulfill a different role at the same time.

Prometheus shouldn't count IMO, although its cannon (the prototype anyway) its just a god ship inside the series design to wake up sleeping veiwers during the voyager series. Has no right being as powerfull as it is and yet so small (akira sized).

posted on July 25th, 2007, 2:52 pm

"akiraprise class"? dude the NX class is Akiraprise... the Akira class is just Akira.

But since Paramount don't call either of them "Akiraprise", I'm at liberty to use it for any ship I like. The term can equally well be used for either vessel because one resembles the other. Unless you are the official spokesperson for paramount with some new information about canon terminology, then please don't tell me what to do. Thankyou.

Plus i dont think the Akira is nessasarily a more advanced ship than the Galaxy, it contains the same lvl of tech, it is just meant to fulfill a different role at the same time.

Now this is something that can be confirmed in the cannon. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Akira was not built the same time as the Galaxy. Even today, a naval vessel built even a few years later will have  significant improvements in technology. A smaller vessel can be more advanced without being more powerful; the advancements could be e.g. sensor equipment or computer technology. Every source of information I can find says that the Akira was built as part of the same advanced initiative that the defiant and sovereign are part of. I do agree that it is meant to fill a different role, in this case that role is offensive support as a heavy cruiser. Feel free to challenge this information; however I think you will find that it is accurate.

Prometheus shouldn't count IMO, although its cannon (the prototype anyway) its just a god ship inside the series design to wake up sleeping veiwers during the voyager series. Has no right being as powerfull as it is and yet so small (akira sized).

If the prometheus is canon, then it counts, surely?  I'm not sure where you've got the idea that the Prometheus is an amazingly powerful God-ship. This is a folk tale that is bouncing around, I've heard it so many times. Sure, it is a powerful ship, but claims that it is more powerful than the Sovereign  are based in people's imagination. The episode "Message in a bottle" describes it as a long range tactical cruiser (note "cruiser") with ablative armour and regenerative shileding (note: the same technology as the sovereign and defiant classes; nothing special). The only new thing the prometheus has is the multi-vector assault mode, but this does not give it extra power (remember the law of conservation of energy, dU = dq + dw ?). All this does, surely, is provide an extra strategy that allows it to make better use of the power it does have. I know it looked pretty on TV, but it doesn't make it a "God-ship". Impressive, but I think people have gon overboard. The only battleship I can think of in the Federation is the Sovereign class, depending on your definition of a battleship (size and power?).

Wouldn't it be better to think a little about things before you challenge me? I welcome a good challenge, though, so I'm not annoyed. Except possibly about the "Akiraprise" thing. Squabbling over slang terminology is petty and irrelevant, and I promise you I will continue to use it whenever and wherever I wish, unless it turns up n canon.

posted on July 25th, 2007, 3:59 pm

I concur with the Doctor. An Akira Class is more advanced than a Galaxy Class. However, A Galaxy Class has a better chance of withstanding the borg, but the akira class has a better chance of destroying the borg.


The Soverign, Defiant, Akira, and Intrepid classes were all invented to help fight the borg.

posted on July 26th, 2007, 12:31 pm

lol, calm your beard doc, i aint tellin anyone what to do so whatever . i say it like that since we all see the Akira first, henceforth it was the akira which was riped off, not the other way round but meh anyways...

Things Ive read about the akira say it was actually a testbed for newr weapons during the Cardassian war, so i'd still reckon the lvl of tech is about equal.

about the Prommie: im going on what I've seen from that episode. First we see it completely disable a tactical pod refitted Nebula (note with the tactical pod probably gives it a slight firepower edge on the powerful galaxy), it did that in what 2-3 phaser shots. then, under the comand of 2 bumbling EMHs, we see the prommie not only survive inside a firefight with 3 warbirds Vs 2 Defiants & 1 Akira Vs Prommie, but to vaporize one of the warbirds as well. When we factor in the fact ALL of the ships were firing on it in between firing on each other well no way especially when it werent even moving before it seperated.
Also let me take you back to the DS9 episode with Rikers Clone/Twin & marquee stealing the Defiant (forget episode name), the Cardassain Officer (not the obsideon order one) commented on the Defiant "was not only is one of the most powerfull warships in the quadrant wandering round our space under the control of terrorists but it is equipped with a cloaking device as well". Now there was not 1 but 2 defiants at that (prommie) battle... The Prommie was a gimmick to boost viewers far too powerfull (in terms of trek design philosophy) for the role it would fill. If it were a bigger, less agile ship then i would be more inclined to believe the ship is more than a immick but a feasible fed design.

posted on July 26th, 2007, 1:32 pm

The only episode I know that has the prommethius is the episode "Message in a Bottle" from star trek voyager.

posted on July 26th, 2007, 2:43 pm

Yeah I agree that the Prometheus was mainly episode theatrics to wow the viewers, that's probably why it seemed so much more powerful than the computer described it. Maybe if if the Enterprise E had phasers like that then it would've destroyed the Scimitar in three strikes too. On that point, I've always thought that the Enterprise E's phasers in Nemesis were like pussyish light beams. Throughout DS9 and especially in the Voyager episode message in a bottle, phasers always seem to ripple with energy, i.e. they actually look like they'd cause some damage.

The discrepancy here is that I always go by official ship descriptions as opposed to what I see on screen. What we see is rarely consistent. By visual observations alone, the defiant is proably the most powerful ship. It can wipe out the little dominion bug ships like it's shooting apples, but the USS Odyssey (galaxy class) struggled in a firefight, which gave them the time to do a Kamikaze run. We're led to believe that Galaxy class ships are formerly the most powerful federation ship, and that effectively starfleet would have lost the war without them. I'm not so convinced, but then as you say, there'd be no drama if everything I said was true.

[Rhaz]

posted on July 30th, 2007, 12:04 pm

Last edited by Rhaz on July 30th, 2007, 12:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The reason the USS Odyssey was destroyed was because of the federations lack of understanding when it came to Polaron technology at the time. The Phased Polaron (Or just normal Polaron not too sure) beams utilized by the dominion ships tore right through the shields that were not designed to fight them.

The Akira was launched prior to the Sovereign (circa 2372). The Akira was first launched in 2365. The Defiant was first launched in 2370, thus the Akira was built with the same technology as the mid to late batches of Galaxy class starships (Albeit yes, with a different purpose, I'm personally one who disputes the 15 torpedo launchers, but whatever), and this is congruent to Cpt Ryan's suggestion. And by the way, I was using EAS (Ex Astris Scientia) which is a website that uses the most canon knowledge available.

Galaxy class starships are still very powerful, they functioned as dreadnoughts (or super heavy cruisers, depending on your nomenclature) as they had heavily shielding, armor and most importantly a very good crew capacity, and they were not particularly weak in the area of weaponry. I do think starfleet would have lost the dominion war without the Galaxy class, for they would then have to rely upon smaller ships to act as headquarters vessels, reducing efficiency (due to small crew capacity and less adept sensors), have lost a lot of torpedo and phaser power [the Galaxy class is at least as strong in phasers (I'd argue more so) than the Akira class]. The federation would require a new strategy to fight the larger dominion ships seeing as they would have to rely upon Romulan Warbirds (which due to weapons arcs, tend to be decimated by smaller ships). You could argue the Vorcha could fill this role, but it was mainly engaging mid sized dominion cruisers or providing fire support against larger targets, as well as filling out the Klingon fleet along with the K'tinga class, since most K'vorts and B'rels would already be engaged in skirmishing with smaller Dominion ships.

In regards to the Ambassador, they played a vital role as line cruisers and borderline heavy cruisers in the dominion war alongside the much more numerous and adaptable Excelsior class starships (which would make the most sense to refit, due to the number currently available, and we have the Excelsior II). The Miranda class would most likely be unable to hold its own as more than a destroyer, light escort or picket ship, just as seen in the dominion war, the structure is too fragile, not enough room for additional shielding and it just seems to make a prime target for any ship looking for a fight. The Miranda filled the role of the Sabre class during the original Cardassian tensions (where the federations primary warships was slightly modernized Excelsiors) and was already inferior to the Galor class, and generally is only brought in to service in times such as the dominion war to 'flesh out' the fleet. I would not mind it in the game as a map object though, along with the original Excelsior <3.