Refit Ideas for Redo

[Boggz]

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 5:46 am

Last edited by Boggz on April 3rd, 2010, 6:41 am, edited 1 time in total.

So I know that the Rommies are getting a redo, but as I was planning out my strategies for battle today I realized that part of the reason many of us have such a hard time with them is that they have really only 2 long range vessels and 1 short range.  All others are medium and therefore have the same speed.

  If you wanna raid, you basically have to use Leahvals.

  If you wanna strafe, you have to use Cehlear or Rhienns.

  All others are medium range.


   Now I know there will be a lot of changes for the Rommies, but specifically with the Rhienn and maybe even the Generix refits I thought:

  Why not have certain refits have different ranges?

   This would ensure that each had it's proper place and each was usable for a distinct role.  Seems like the Torpedo Rhienn would still make a good long range candidate, but maybe the other forms could be adjusted to fit different roles?

  The Frigate Generix seems that it would make an excellent short-range raider with it's particle weapons while the Spectre might do better in another role (or stay as medium).



   I know that many of these things will see changes, but I was just wondering if perhaps this option had been considered to liven up the Rommie lineup of range/speeds?

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 9:08 am

The Frigate Generix seems that it would make an excellent short-range raider with it's particle weapons while the Spectre might do better in another role (or stay as medium).

Agreed.  Considering their defensive passives, (frigate>particle/spectre>torpedo)  A SR frigate, and LR spectre would be ideal.  Is there a fourth, mixed-tech refit?  If not, why?  Pirated Monsoon dual-phaser refit, anybody? (maybe disabling disruptor to give em more juice)

You'd think the sneaky-little intel/espion rommies would have more pilfered tech.

And assuming both avatars may be more equally viable, I'd enjoy seeing the Griffin, or Shrike play a little larger part in early-game battles. (or any part at all)

In any case, can't wait to see the next webisode of (Flops:  Eternal Balance)

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 1:48 pm

Is there a fourth, mixed-tech refit?  If not, why?  Pirated Monsoon dual-phaser refit, anybody? (maybe disabling disruptor to give em more juice)

You'd think the sneaky-little intel/espion rommies would have more pilfered tech.

And assuming both avatars may be more equally viable, I'd enjoy seeing the Griffin, or Shrike play a little larger part in early-game battles. (or any part at all)

In any case, can't wait to see the next webisode of (Flops:  Eternal Balance)

As for the mixed tech (which should really be in another discussion) - it's getting a complete overhaul after 3.1.2 so that it will be useful and fun for competitive multiplayer.

The Griffin is very useful already - it's the Shrike that had a bit high of a cost - which has been now lowered to make it nicer (and it has a decent speed to promote harassment).

I too would like to see the Refits get a bit more changes - and I suspect that they will. Support refit already gets a dramatic role change, and I think the other refits will as well, though I'm not positive on that. It probably would make sense for the Frigate to be short range... but I'm not too sure if that would cause a redundancy issue due to the high speed and powerful damage capabilities. It certainly would cause issues for the Klingons and Dominion if that vessel became short ranged and fast 

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 4:06 pm

Oh I totally agree on the idea that the Frigate would become more powerful if given short range and extra speed.

  My thoughts were basically just in the interest of breaking up the redundant Rommie range/speed spread right now.

  Everything is medium ranged! 

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 4:16 pm

I like the idea, Boggz.  Good one!   And not really any extra work involved, just change existing odfs.

posted on April 3rd, 2010, 10:06 pm

Oh yes, i really thinkg a speed & range splitting for the refits in the way you discribed it, boggz, could do wonders.

I do not feel too comfortable with changes to the supporters role, as i believe direct ship support to be vital to romulan mainstay and defense forces (which rommies need to have too, besides all that sneaking) and durability is not a romulan strength.

posted on April 4th, 2010, 12:19 am

The Griffin is very useful already...

I certainly wasn't insinuating that it wasn't.  My comment about playing 'any part' was pretty much reserved for the shrike alone, as much fun as I had the other day spamming them against the poor AI.

As for the Griffin, I guess my conception of it is affected by a couple of other mods I've played in the past, where it was more of a powerhouse. (darn fanboy modders!) 
With Regard to Boggz' variance topic, it could be interesting to see the Griffin go LR (but still have to swoop in to use its special!), or not.  I'm content to wait for the update (then over-analyze it along with everyone else)

posted on April 4th, 2010, 9:27 pm

Well, I'd also like to see the Federation get refit for a few vessels. It's already well established in the show's canon that they routinely perform both minor and major refits on ships, which is how they have seventy-five year old Excelsiors still flying in the show.  Perhaps the nomads in particular could benefit from a system similar to the Rhienn, with a base model, and then an offense, defense, and support configurations, or the Akira. I know over on Scifi-meshes and a few other sites there was a period when people argued that they were not medium cruisers so much as fighter carriers, so maybe there could be an option to refit them as a cheap  fighter carrier, or even a Federation Marines troop Transport.

posted on April 4th, 2010, 9:34 pm

Well, I'd also like to see the Federation get refit for a few vessels. It's already well established in the show's canon that they routinely perform both minor and major refits on ships, which is how they have seventy-five year old Excelsiors still flying in the show.  Perhaps the nomads in particular could benefit from a system similar to the Rhienn, with a base model, and then an offense, defense, and support configurations, or the Akira. I know over on Scifi-meshes and a few other sites there was a period when people argued that they were not medium cruisers so much as fighter carriers, so maybe there could be an option to refit them as a cheap  fighter carrier, or even a Federation Marines troop Transport.

Oh no, not again...  Federation "refit" =/= Romulan Refit.

posted on April 4th, 2010, 9:40 pm

Es every race could come to the conclusion to refit their vessels, every race should have the ability to do so. But as the devs want the races to be unique warpins are for feddies, modules for borg and refits for rommies.

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on April 4th, 2010, 9:42 pm

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Exactly correct Mimesot 
... aaaaand back to the paper 

posted on April 4th, 2010, 11:26 pm

Besides, this topic is about the ROMULAN refits, not the non-existent Fed refits .


  I was just playing in the 1 v 1 Rommie vs. Rommie with Xerjel (yandon just put it online HERE) and noticed how the Generix refits are SO much cheaper than the Rhienn's.  Both supply wise and resource-wise the overall payment of each vessel is distinctly different.

  I'm guessing that will be evened out in the next patch (:)) but having very distinct roles filled by all these great different refits that already exist would be a very cool way of rounding out the Rommie tech tree.

  I like the idea of having the Rhienn Torp Refits stay long range (bombers), but perhaps a SLIGHT defensive boost so that they don't just get shredded.

  The Rommie Disruptor Refits I feel would make an excellent medium-range vessel as it's very well rounded at the moment.  With it's high defense, beams, and pulses, I feel that it actually fulfills the Spectre's role quite well minus the oversized shields passive.  At medium range (as to give a slight speed boost) it would make an excellent front-line vessel with good staying power to hold off ships wanting to eat the Torp-Rhienns .

  The Generix Refits could also stand to have a little more specificity in their roles.  Like I said I think the Frigates would do nicely as fast, short range vessels if their defensive capabilities (pulse reduction and relatively high defense) came down just a bit.  Even if the pulse reduction passive stayed the way it is, perhaps it could have a weakness to torpedoes and vice-versa with the Spectre?


  Given the lack of Torpedo firepower in the Romulan line-up, I do feel as though a Generix refit would work wonders as a torpedo cruiser.  My hunch says the Spectre, obviously, as it has an anti-torpedo passive itself.  The Frigate is armed with pulses while it has a resistance to pulses, makes sense the Spectre be armed with Torps .  This would give the Rommies SOME early game staying power against the Borg as well without massing Leahvals.


  Oh, and I LOVE the idea of a refit for the Big D's .  I would not mind one that adjusted it's passives for a different role.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on April 5th, 2010, 12:01 am

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Refitting the D'Deridex sounds great, considering it is an old design the Romulans have more than 50 years experience with.
It could either be upgraded with a faster torpedo-system and pulse disruptors. Another refit could include a shield/system boost and better armor as well as +15% hull strength overall. 

posted on April 5th, 2010, 10:01 am

I want more speed! The hit and run is the backbone of rom strategies imo. Ships should be more fragile but faster and able to cloak. When roms are faster the leathal ping also gets weakened.

posted on April 5th, 2010, 11:40 am

the devs said they are moving the rommies away from hit and run tactics. and moving them more into special weapons kings.