Passive Ability - Biologic Adaption Systems (Breen Only)

posted on July 12th, 2010, 3:19 pm

I think this is an interesting idea but hard to get right. The Breen could well have adaptive weaponry but if I knew that Breen ships could slowly adapt to and surpass my enemies, *I* would spam those ships until they were banned. For every ship that you add, the effect is then multiplied. Imagine a fleet a adaptive Breen Cruisers with cloaks and the ability to penetrate shield and knock out systems immediately.

Interesting idea though . I'd like to see a development to counter the spammability of the Breen, without just adding more ships to the other races.

posted on July 12th, 2010, 3:43 pm

I'd simply think of this as en encouragement to not spam ships. Though I believe one thing that could be a weak point is when the target ship has dual-layer shields or some other kind of advanced shielding. The different shield configuration would make the time needed to adapt take longer because it has to learn how to get around these complicated shield configurations. Dual-Layer shields would perform the best against this likely because theoretically the two different layers could operate on separate frequencies making it extremely difficult to bypass both shields. Since the only known ships that have this are the Descent and Fed-Dom mixed Fighter carrier. It could also be proposed that some other ships also get shields like these (Maybe the Sovy, that ship really could use some revamping because of its lack of worth on the field, the Avalon Class could also qualify too). The only thing is that I don't want the passive to be on ships that would be spam friendly. Capped ships or ships with longer build times would be ideal.

For the Romulans, the Fed mixed Frigate refit could instead get another shield editing passive.

Transphasic Shielding: Thanks to analyzing Federation shielding technology, the Romulans have come up with a new kind of shielding that is constantly cycling through shield frequencies. Most shield penetrating weaponry would be unable to penetrate these shields.

The Borg would be unaffected (They got no shields, no changes), they wouldn't need a counter.

The Klingons have a whole lot of Variety of cruisers, yet there are always ships that would be spammed. I personally think their variety would be sufficient to make up for the thought of trying to avoid spamming.

posted on July 12th, 2010, 4:24 pm

I hate Generations... Even with its shields down the Enterprise should have handed that BOP a serving of its own ass on a gilded platter. But the bottom line is that Riker was an idiot for not ordering the shield frequency to be rotated immediately. My thoughts are with the brave souls of the Titan...

posted on July 12th, 2010, 5:13 pm

I hate Generations... Even with its shields down the Enterprise should have handed that BOP a serving of its own ass on a gilded platter. But the bottom line is that Riker was an idiot for not ordering the shield frequency to be rotated immediately. My thoughts are with the brave souls of the Titan...

why?

its shields werent down, they were just useless. i dont like riker, i believe he is a moron, but maybe riker did order shield frequencies rotated every x seconds, i mean even a child could figure out thats the right thing to do. maybe it was off screen and we didnt see it. but geordi would have been looking at that display a lot, so any shield changes would have been noticed by the cleavage sisters.

also with its shields useless there is no chance the enterprise could survive. the hull isnt that strong, i would have expected the enterprise to die faster. without shields any hit to the deflector dish would make it explode. they should have targetted the ents warp core, blowing them up faster. without shields ships hulls dont take any beating.

posted on July 12th, 2010, 5:55 pm

also with its shields useless there is no chance the enterprise could survive. the hull isnt that strong, i would have expected the enterprise to die faster. without shields any hit to the deflector dish would make it explode. they should have targetted the ents warp core, blowing them up faster. without shields ships hulls dont take any beating.

Have you ever seen Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country? That bird of prey fired several torpedoes at the Constitution class Enterprise-A when its shields were down; one of which even penetrated the saucer through and through. That Enterprise was badly damaged but it survived, a constitution class mind you.

In addition, the BOP in Generations was seen firing Disruptor pulses at the Enterprise NOT torpedoes. Go back and watch...

So, you mean to tell me that an 80+ year old BOP firing pulses at a Shield-less Galaxy Class vessel will cause it to be destroyed when the same ship could not destroy a Shield-less Constitution class vessel with torpedoes?

posted on July 12th, 2010, 6:11 pm

Have you ever seen Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country? That bird of prey fired several torpedoes at the Constitution class Enterprise-A when its shields were down; one of which even penetrated the saucer through and through. That Enterprise was badly damaged but it survived, a constitution class mind you.

u said yourself, the saucer section, theres less main systems there, mainly crew quarters and labs, it didnt hit near the middle where the bridge is. this is because chang cant aim. also the enterprise has plot armour. its part of the same problem, changs bop should have hit the ents warp core and blown it to pieces.

In addition, the BOP in Generations was seen firing Disruptor pulses at the Enterprise NOT torpedoes. Go back and watch...

So, you mean to tell me that an 80+ year old BOP firing pulses at a Shield-less Galaxy Class vessel will cause it to be destroyed when the same ship could not destroy a Shield-less Constitution class vessel with torpedoes?

why dont u "go back and watch" instead of being rude to me, and u will realise that u are infact mistaken, and if u had taken the time to watch it instead of pretending u know it all you would remember geordi's line that the last torpedo did critical damage, so obviously the bop was firing torps.

and even with pulses the bop should have just targetted engineering and/or the deflector and ended the battle.

but of course any ship with the name enterprise has 10km thick plot armour.

also if you were actually listening to the dialogue in generations you would realise that they never said they were the same class of bird of prey.

we know for a fact that the cleavage sisters were in a d12 class bop. we dont know what type chang was in. the only reason they look the same is because generations was too cheap to make a new explosion and copied the explosion of chang's bop.

even if they were the same both should have just aimed properly and blown up the shieldless enterprises. worf made a deflector dish explode with a puny phaser rifle in first contact, making it explode violently. so the pulses of a bop could easily cause a similar explosion, which according to picard would massively damage the ship. or they could just repeatedly target engineering, a few shots would get to the warp core and cause all sorts of trouble.

posted on July 12th, 2010, 9:52 pm

Yeah, I think the Enterprise would have taken heavy damage and could really have blown up at any time BUT, they did last about 3 minutes before taking critical damage. Had that been a Borg cube the Enterprise would have been unloading torpedo after torpedo, with constant barrages of phaser fire. If they rammed that BoP full of torpedoes, I'm pretty sure they could have destroyed it within 3 minutes. Unfortunately, Riker distracted the ships Tactical officer for the entire time

Needless to say, the Klingons were firing a combination of Photons (green in colour coming from the nose torpedo launcher) and similarly green disruptor blasts. I think if you played out a straight all out slugging match better then, then the answer would not be clear cut.

posted on July 12th, 2010, 10:03 pm

It's a Klingon ship. And it is Star Trek. Enough said.

posted on July 13th, 2010, 12:03 pm

i agree that the enterprise firing weapons as much as in BoBW should have destroyed the bop in that long amount of time that passed.

but its likely the first few shots from the bop damaged the enterprise's weapons, causing it to fire so slow and weak. so the ent couldnt manage the weapons spreads from BoBW

Anyways we're a bit off topic.

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posted on July 13th, 2010, 1:25 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 13th, 2010, 5:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

May I please ask that this whole ST: Generations discussion be in another thread? I'd like my idea topic to remain on topic. So that the devs might at least tell me their opinions without having to weave through walls of unrelated posts.


Edit:
To Doca & Optec:
I was thinking about what you might think of this ability. I have tried to keep it fairly balanced. I simply just want to know your approach on this. I would think this passive ability could in fact really capture the feel of the Breen. I wouldn't mind needing to rank up a few times to get it if that is necesary. I just think that there should be somethings directed purely as an Anti-Spam thing. The focus to basically force spam to be obsolete.

Plus the only things that would not be as heavily effected by this would be ships that would be the opposite of ideal for spam (Capped ships, or ships with long build times).

posted on July 13th, 2010, 5:25 pm

Off topic discussion split to here:
Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Battle of Veridian III (split off topic discussion)

My apologies for helping derail this thread.