New Romulan vessel in progress

posted on March 17th, 2009, 1:00 pm

As I saw from the project progress list, there's a new romulan vessel on todo (even a critivcal task!). If there is nothing palled for that vessel yet,  I'd suggest it to be a very heavy cruiser, because there is quite a huge gap between the smaller crafts (though they can be amazingly tough in proper teams) and the warbirds.

Just another idea. Inspired by a post of optec ...

The DS9 Warbird is probably a refited version or a version with a different layout alltogether, their front part is slightly different for example.

... I thought two refits were suitable: A war refit (but still a rather defensive ship compared to the norexan), and a rather zivilian refit. The later could have loads of crew, or even be recrewed to reinforce unmanned ships, and a strong tractor beam to carry away immobile ships to your base. It's very annoying to see a helpless vessel locktd to a hostile area, and you can't help it anyhow.

posted on March 17th, 2009, 3:01 pm

The vessel is already decided, it will be a special purpose unit, but the Griffin will get promoted to a Heavy Cruiser in the next patch

[Anonymous]

posted on March 17th, 2009, 3:22 pm

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yeah. i miss the griffin. It's so irrelevant atm. Most of us choose the 2 Tav avatar cos 1 just doesnt cut it. If the griffin were to be made a heavy cruiser in the avatar with 1 Tav, it would make that one a worth-while alternative to the 2 Tav one.

hope it's not too long a wait

posted on March 17th, 2009, 3:23 pm

Will the Griffin be available fpr both avatars then?

posted on March 17th, 2009, 4:25 pm

Isnt generix dreadnought a heavy cruiser? And why dont the Dominion get a beam-based heavy cruiser? 
It seems all other races already have ships for that particular role.

posted on March 17th, 2009, 4:33 pm

nope the Griffin will stay Helev-only

posted on March 17th, 2009, 4:36 pm

Isnt generix dreadnought a heavy cruiser? And why dont the Dominion get a beam-based heavy cruiser? 
It seems all other races already have ships for that particular role.

that's cos the dominions still need some lovin'.
The mods will take a look at the dominion soon.

posted on March 17th, 2009, 5:34 pm

Heh I dont mind that they dont have such a ship class, its just that people are complaining about the lack of such ships for the roms, when they actually do have such a ship already

[Anonymous]

posted on March 17th, 2009, 7:16 pm

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hmm.
The generix is available for both avatars, while 1 avatar is limited to 1 Tav, while the other has 2.
General disparities between the 2 avatars aren't compensation for a lack of Tavara.

To fill this disparity if the 1 Tav avatar that builds a griffin which atm are toothless, would be able to build griffins that were more powerful than they currently are, it would help compensate for the lacking Tavara.

btw - for the record 1 Tavara and 2 Tavaras are too low a number. 2 and 4 would be better caps for the 2 Avatars respectively.
Previously there were too many tavs - 7 and 5. now there are too little

posted on March 17th, 2009, 7:43 pm

Concerning gameplay you'r quite right about the generix dreadnough. It'really capable cruiser.  Nevertheless there's still a big gap between the Generix Dreadnough (23,29) and the Cehlaer (40,36) which would have offered itself for being filled with a new vessel. I can't see the necessity to close it (nor can I see anyone complaining), because a good player meets such problems by mixing the fleet. I'm excided what missions are being prepared for the new vessel.  

posted on March 18th, 2009, 10:52 am

Do not forget that Helev also has the Eresis, which is a light battleship
And Heavy Cruiser ~ Light Battleship before that u have the generix and b4 that the Griffin
I really dont see the problem
Uf and I almost forgot about Levheal (the 1st support ship) which is an extremely durable and powerful cruiser, damn Roms already have too many cruisers

I think the Tavara should get a bit stronger now, since its limited at 1 (2). More Tavaras would result in a tavara spam again though

hmm.
The generix is available for both avatars, while 1 avatar is limited to 1 Tav, while the other has 2.
General disparities between the 2 avatars aren't compensation for a lack of Tavara.

To fill this disparity if the 1 Tav avatar that builds a griffin which atm are toothless, would be able to build griffins that were more powerful than they currently are, it would help compensate for the lacking Tavara.

Why would you compensate a tavara with generix?  Compensate with battleships instead!

posted on March 18th, 2009, 5:00 pm

Do not forget that Helev also has the Eresis, which is a light battleship
And Heavy Cruiser ~ Light Battleship before that u have the generix and b4 that the Griffin
I really dont see the problem
Uf and I almost forgot about Levheal (the 1st support ship) which is an extremely durable and powerful cruiser, damn Roms already have too many cruisers

I think the Tavara should get a bit stronger now, since its limited at 1 (2). More Tavaras would result in a tavara spam again though


Why would you compensate a tavara with generix?  Compensate with battleships instead!

isnt Eresis along the same lines as the Caehlar considering special weapon and strength?


2 or 4 would be tavara spam?

The tavara if made stronger would become a small cube. and that is ridiculous.
the Tav strenght is fine as is.

but 1 and2 are too few.
We should have 2 for helev and 3 or 4 for the other one.

And that certainly does not constitute a Tavara Spam!

posted on March 18th, 2009, 5:02 pm

I don't use Tavara's that much. I prefer the D'deridex & Intel centre.

Which reminds me, how many levels can the Intel Centre increase by?

posted on March 18th, 2009, 5:30 pm

Caehlar is a strong slow defensive battleship, Eresis is more a fast hit and run type of a battleship. Almost a heavy cruiser

I just dont understand why do u actually need the Tavara when playing as roms, you have 4 different types of battleships available to them. Is Tavara really needed THAT much? I consider the Tavara nothing more than luxury, you dont actually need it but you have it nontheless, I suggest you should be happy with it.
Also why can the Dominion only build 1 or 2 arties then? Its the same situation and the artie is a lot weaker than the Tavara as well.

Neither of those ships are ment to be the core of your army, they are a repellant, something to make your enemies shit their pants when they see them (Tavara has that effect, the Artie does not )

[Anonymous]

posted on March 18th, 2009, 8:01 pm

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Caehlar is a strong slow defensive battleship, Eresis is more a fast hit and run type of a battleship. Almost a heavy cruiser

I just dont understand why do u actually need the Tavara when playing as roms, you have 4 different types of battleships available to them. Is Tavara really needed THAT much? I consider the Tavara nothing more than luxury, you dont actually need it but you have it nontheless, I suggest you should be happy with it.
Also why can the Dominion only build 1 or 2 arties then? Its the same situation and the artie is a lot weaker than the Tavara as well.

Neither of those ships are ment to be the core of your army, they are a repellant, something to make your enemies shit their pants when they see them (Tavara has that effect, the Artie does not )

it isnt an issue of needed that much or can you live without it.
Certainly we can.

For the record 4 tavs as opposed to 2 isnt exactly an augmented fleet that has suddenly by virtue of the extra 2 tavs acquired the ability to now smash through all opposition.
nor is having just 1 or 2 Tavs a handicap.

Having 4 tavs as opposed to 2 hasnt made the Tav the core of any fleet.
however, if one were to consider the Romulan fleet and what a Tavara brings to is, being able to build more than we can at this time is certainly an added bonus, and one that is not swinging in any way, rather that which is more fun.

secondly a Tav is not a slow flying artillery gunship. If one were to discuss with an attempt at preening then certainly we do not need Tavs. Nor do the roms need any generix refits or norexans.
D'Deridexes and shrikes would be enough to run amok with Roms.
include battle refits for D'Deridexes and boom ure ready.

but we're talking about fleshing out a tech tree, and having 4 Tavs buildable as opposed to 2, and 2 buildable as opposed to 1 for the respective Avatars would be more fun when playing Romulan.

no one is desperate and dying for want of Tavaras... lol

But when when the romulan side had 7 Tavs and they are now reduced to 2, the side lacks eye candy and something that used to pack a punch.

People tend to gauge the Rommies by the dominion or the feds - both of which are lacking in any strong ships that can compare to the tavara (the dreadnought is mixed tree only so..)

Certainly the Romulan side isnt going to fall apart w/o tavaras, but when playing Rommies one would like to have the option available of building a few of them

The 7 or 6 of yore were certainly spam. but now 1 or2 are a dearth.

A middle ground would be the 2 for helev and 4 for the other one. I dont see a spam effect here, nor does a "like to" constitute an extreme of "Im dying w/o them".
One would next apply that logic to any new ship teh mods are planning to add to any side..- "do we need them".. "are your fleets falling apart w/o them" 

As regards the repellant value - 2 dont repel much. 4 brings a little more "shitting in their pants" factor with it, while not being a spam.

If we keep things in perspective and understand the request being made, the redundant questions answer themselves



also - a slow defensive battleship and a fast heavy cruiser are more semantic disparities. In the end they fill practically the same role in a fleet. In fact their stats are almost the same. it's just the style with which they are to be used. so no big diff there.