New klingon ship thoughts

posted on December 7th, 2010, 10:51 pm

Do you guys remember Goroth? what? no!?

oh well he was the guy from the enterprise episode bounty who was the dishonourable klingon who put the price on archer's head. and then he collected archer from the wookie tellarite bounty hunter.

point is he had a different ship. for those who believe in the adage "screenshots or it didnt happen" here are a couple from ma

[img width=600]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051206103941/memoryalpha/en/images/3/30/Goroths_starship%2C_front.jpg[/img]
[img width=600]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051206104416/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b3/Goroths_starship%2C_aft.jpg[/img]

its a beauty isnt it? (klingon ships beautiful?! )

most klingon ships look like a T, with a wide rump and a long neck and head.

others look a bit like birds (of prey)

his ship looked like a manta, which was different.

so i was wondering if anything like this could happen in fleetops. a ship that doesnt look like most klingon ships. goroth's had a torp launcher at the front, but the sang susa veq and chargh already torp spam. and plenty of klink ships pulse spam. so maybe pulse and beam, a slightly rarer combination. the beam could come from the circle, like with the ktinga. and the pulses from the outside.

maybe it could be a heavy on defence klingon ship, with heavy armour, to tank, but not do as much damage, kinda like a fed ship. make it for the imperial yard and scale it up in size.

posted on December 7th, 2010, 11:54 pm

Enterprise was before kirks day, this ship is even older than the bird of prey and is unlikely to exist in a time zone further ahead than the dominion war.

I never seen this ship anywhere else the the startrek universe and things from enterprise are not exactly cannon, remember the borg incident even tho it was picard and his enterprise that first met them forced on my Q.

Its a pointless ship and it looks more like a romulan ship anyway.

I suggested pulse and beam weapons for the vorcha since that is cannon but its never been added.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 12:01 am

Considering the unusual design and the nature of the owner, I wouldn't be surprised if the ship wasn't even Klingon, just stolen/captured and modified. Adding it as a map object rather than an actual design, wouldn't a problem, though.

I never seen this ship anywhere else the the startrek universe and things from enterprise are not exactly cannon, remember the borg incident even tho it was picard and his enterprise that first met them forced on my Q.

The D was the first known to have met them, the Neutral Zone colonies also met the Borg before that. Just like the NX-01, they never learned the identity of their attackers. As time paradoxes go, the 'First Contact sequel' wasn't too bad if you ignore the lack of an after-battle report.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 12:57 am

Considering the unusual design and the nature of the owner, I wouldn't be surprised if the ship wasn't even Klingon, just stolen/captured and modified. Adding it as a map object rather than an actual design, wouldn't a problem, though.

Agreed. With the texture it looks more Romulan than Klingon.
Different people, different tastes but i don't consider that ship a "beauty"

posted on December 8th, 2010, 2:24 am

things from enterprise are not exactly cannon

Where do people get the idea that Enterprise isn't canon (yes - canon, not cannon)?  It's just as canon as every other series.

Anyways, I like the ship design but as others said it doesn't really feel Klingon.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 2:41 am

His point was that there are events in the series that contradict with what was shown in previous series. They do make an attempt to explain it, like with the Borg, but it seems like a cop out.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 3:28 am

His point was that there are events in the series that contradict with what was shown in previous series. They do make an attempt to explain it, like with the Borg, but it seems like a cop out.

That happens in every series, though.  It even happens within a series.  Enterprise is just easy to criticize because it's farther from the others in the timeline.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 6:25 am

Where do people get the idea that Enterprise isn't canon (yes - canon, not cannon)?  It's just as canon as every other series.

Because Enterprise sucked horribly, and ended with an episode that could point to it all being historical inaccuracy in a holodeck. The time travel stuff doesn't help either, since it seems to indicate that Enterprise is an alternate timeline (and thus possibly a different one than TNG's timeline.)

posted on December 8th, 2010, 8:46 am

Enterprise wasn't that bad. The 4th season beats everything else in Star Trek(maybe everything but DS9). Okay, the first two seasons were crap, but that's Star Trek tradition(leaving aside TOS). In my eyes every Star Trek series has to reach the 4th season to become great. Before that you get only good single episodes, nothing epic.

About the ship:
hmm, a Manta design reminds me of Cardassians, not Klingons. It's even different to all Enterprise Klingon ships. However, it looks much better than the ChonaQ  .
Question is: do we really need more ships? 

posted on December 8th, 2010, 10:05 am

The 'Enterprise is not canon' part is all Fan Discontinuity.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 11:35 am

Because Enterprise sucked horribly, and ended with an episode that could point to it all being historical inaccuracy in a holodeck. The time travel stuff doesn't help either, since it seems to indicate that Enterprise is an alternate timeline (and thus possibly a different one than TNG's timeline.)

And the fact that you think it "sucked horribly" means it isn't canon?  There were some parts of TOS that were pretty bad, and are even famous for being so (Arena, anyone?).  And Enterprise isn't the first Star Trek series to mess with time travel.  There's a whole movie to deal with that.  I personally loved Enterprise.  While it does have its inconsistencies, they're not any worse than some found in other series.

Enterprise wasn't that bad. The 4th season beats everything else in Star Trek(maybe everything but DS9). Okay, the first two seasons were crap, but that's Star Trek tradition(leaving aside TOS). In my eyes every Star Trek series has to reach the 4th season to become great. Before that you get only good single episodes, nothing epic.

I've only seen the first season of Enterprise, and I still think it's my favorite series (granted, I haven't seen any of DS9).

The 'Enterprise is not canon' part is all Fan Discontinuity.

That's about as valid as unspecified parts of Star Trek VI being non-canon.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 11:48 am

That happens in every series, though.  It even happens within a series.  Enterprise is just easy to criticize because it's farther from the others in the timeline.

Not to mention that Voyager already contradicted that by having the Hansens go looking for the Borg in 2353, 12 years before the events of 'Q Who'...

Enterprise is canon whether it sucked or not and whether people like it or not 


As for the ship (yeah, I can be on-topic!!) - I kinda like it, but kinda don't. I agree that it looks more like a Romulan ship than Klingon, so if an 'updated' version of it did make it in, maybe make it a Taq'roja-only ship as the Romulans were traditional allies of the Duras...

posted on December 8th, 2010, 3:25 pm

Enterprise didnt suck horribly i did like it its just that it didnt fit with future time frames so most hardcore startrek/sci-fi fans like me dont consider it cannon.

By future time frames i mean it was historically inaccurate and didnt make sense. Just like the recent startrek film where vulcan was destroyed... erm no it wasnt gtfo....

posted on December 8th, 2010, 3:38 pm

Enterprise was before kirks day, this ship is even older than the bird of prey and is unlikely to exist in a time zone further ahead than the dominion war.

let me clarfiy my suggestion, obviously it would be silly for it to be the same design, i mean a similar design, a successor. kinda like the tng bop is to the ent bop and the kbq is to the ktinga. just a new ship that isnt a T.

things from enterprise are not exactly cannon

thats a statement likely to cause flaming, it smacks of arrogance, maybe it was a joke or some trolling.

what counts as canon is not for you (nor I) to decide. whether you like enterprise or not it IS canon, and you arent able to change it. i didnt like TOS at all, but its still canon and i accept that. most people have plenty of voyager, but its still canon.

if you want to talk about whether enterprise (or any series) was good or bad i will discuss it with you, in another thread, not this one.

Considering the unusual design and the nature of the owner, I wouldn't be surprised if the ship wasn't even Klingon, just stolen/captured and modified.

well it does look different from normal klink ships, thats the reason i suggested it. all klink ships either resemble a bop or a ktinga. its the same thing over and over again. now its certainly possible the klingon fleet really does look all the same, but its also possible there are some ships that arent like the others. kinda like the defiant not having its nacelles on struts like the majority of the fleet. also it may have been inspired by another race, but that huge circular torp launcher is definitely klingon. the only other race to use such a launcher was the romulans, and this was on ships they got from the klingons lol.

About the ship:
hmm, a Manta design reminds me of Cardassians, not Klingons. It's even different to all Enterprise Klingon ships. However, it looks much better than the ChonaQ  :innocent:.

what ship? i thought we were arguing about enterprise kidding thanks for trying to bring it back on topic.

if the chonaq didnt piss its energy away firing on already dead ships i would use it more.

Question is: do we really need more ships?  :whistling:

can't hurt lol. imperial yard only has 3 ships, 2 of which people build. bortas for ion storm and neggie for everything else.

thats why i suggested this ship as a defensive ship. to tank some fire. the kbq is an early tank, but after that there arent really any ships that do that. the vorcha seems to do everything so it dont count lol.

As for the ship (yeah, I can be on-topic!!) - I kinda like it, but kinda don't. I agree that it looks more like a Romulan ship than Klingon, so if an 'updated' version of it did make it in, maybe make it a Taq'roja-only ship as the Romulans were traditional allies of the Duras...

blazing on topic? lolwutzroflcoptahs

taqqy already has unique ships, maybe for klingon mt with romulan ally.

posted on December 8th, 2010, 5:05 pm

I think it would make more sense as Romulan-Klingon mixed tech than as a Klingon unit.