New Fed Avatar (personal project) - ideas and suggestions

posted on September 1st, 2010, 2:51 pm

Why was this moved?  It is still just a poll about his personal mod?

Actually I requested the mods to move it to General Discussion for a wider audience (since its about an idea, not actual making of the mod).  Jan decided to move it here instead as it has a slightly wider audience that the modding forum... i'm not complaining.  It's still about my personal mod, although maybe it will generate some ideas for the devs as well.

As we understand, the 2 remaining official Fed avatars may be SFI and Section 31... not sure I like both of those together, one or the other would be fine, they are just too much alike.

posted on September 1st, 2010, 2:52 pm

I'd love to see a fully themed time travel captain from the future whos ships dont use conventional weapons their ships attacks slowly erasing the ship from time

Their starfleet command doesnt warp ships in, they come from a distortion in the space-time continuum.

Would be funny if a 29th century Enterprise J was warped in and the captain refused to take part to prevent contamination of the timeline

posted on September 1st, 2010, 2:56 pm

As we understand, the 2 remaining official Fed avatars may be SFI and Section 31... not sure I like both of those together, one or the other would be fine, they are just too much alike.

Perhaps for someone's mod - but no, S31 will not be an avatar in FO. The four so far on the table have already been decided

[Andre27]

posted on September 1st, 2010, 2:58 pm

Last edited by Andre27 on September 1st, 2010, 3:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Perhaps for someone's mod - but no, S31 will not be an avatar in FO. The four so far on the table have already been decided

I guess this topic is obsolete already. Can you shed some light which avatars it will be so we can focus our new ideas for them?

While we wait for answer i propose a variant on the "Museum" avatar: Mothball fleet

Option 3
Avatar: Mothball Fleet
Style: Generic
Comments: In times of war even those ships retired can be brought back into service.
Avatar changes:

    * No additional ships available from standard shipyards
    * No bonuses to shipyard ships
    * Availability of refitted old style ships from TOS/TNG or other eras.  Either like a replacement/additional warp-in or a buildable museum.  If warp-in it would work as click and wait (as opposed to the relatively quick arrival of standard warp-in.  If warp-in then ship types could be random.   Ships would generally be weaker than equivalent ship types but the "refit" will make them capable for play.
     
My additions:

• Replacing the Akira and Remore The Starfleet Museum - Furious Class and Spectre Class.
  
• No Research needed
• Instead of shipyard vessels are warped in.

posted on September 1st, 2010, 3:05 pm

Why is it obsolete? It's a mod, no, and a way to satisfy the community?

posted on September 1st, 2010, 3:08 pm

Since it is in this section i thought these were ideas for standard FO

posted on September 1st, 2010, 3:20 pm

Not sure anymore - Loki said he requested it to be moved here, but the title still reads "personal project", but of course it also depends on how you read "new avatar". Technically the avatars that aren't in, aren't new, but any ideas for an avatar could make it in for one that hasn't appeared yet if that makes sense.

[Andre27]

posted on September 1st, 2010, 3:26 pm

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Let me get this straight:

Currently 2 Fed Avatar
Future tense: 1 avatar decided (Star Fleet Intelligence) and 1 avatar undecided.

The ideas+suggestions are for the "undecided" avatar.

Edit:

The ideas i've seen so far which i find interesting are:

Possible cloaked Defiant could be a standard ship or some sort of non-detection feature such as the multi-adaptive shielding used by seven of nines parents to cloak instead

In particular the multi adaptive shielding. Not an invisible unit, but unit does not show up on map (with the exception for the Borg since they already assimilated the tech)

- the torp platform is able to fire a marking drone on a ship, that will hold 30 seconds, so your fleet might follow cloaked vessels and will hit better this ship

Could be interesting to catch those nasty retreating AI Tavera's

posted on September 1st, 2010, 6:09 pm

oy oy oy!  Moving it here has caused some confusion.  It is for a personal mod and nothing to do with the core game (although, as i said, maybe the feedback here will give the devs some ideas).

Therefore the topic subject is still correct.

The devs have apparently decided on the next two avatars so nothing to discuss about that.

As for Dom's saying you should wait for me to announce where I am going with this mod, so far its a merger of the Vulcan and one other, the other at the moment is still a little undecided but i'm considering mainly either Museum or SF Exploration/Stella Cartography.

But nothing is fixed yet, i've only just got the avatar setup and its outpost ODFs.  So far the rest is identical to Mayson.

The Vulcan component is mainly cosmetic but I think I will allow him (or her) to gain at least one Vulcan ship probably via a special Warp-in button.  I'm currently seeking permission to use the models from the A2 Vulcan full race mod by Dan1025 (Dan got permission for the models from someone else as I understood).

Its going to be the second component which affects the gameplay the most, and which its going to require careful consideration, especially in relation to balance, especially if i want to release it.

Quality is a big issue as well.  I need to find an artist who can make a nice avatar image like the ones we have for stock, and a "vulcan".  Possibly one of our graphics people at work can help me out here... will have to check.

posted on September 1st, 2010, 8:01 pm

Sounds good Loki  

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on September 1st, 2010, 10:48 pm

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I would like to see something like a diplomatic avatar (preferrably a non-human ambassador like Worf for example). Here's why:

Avatar-bonuses:

mixed tech research time and costs reduced by 20% (MAY BE 25%)

mixed-tech design vessels (the capped ones only!) construction costs and buildtime decreased by 10% (may be up to 20%) and a general buildtime-decrease for any mixed-tech vessel.

new units granted:

*insert a cool looking troop-ship here*

- reverse-engineering facility
Can acquire the blueprints of two different captured alien vessel classes to construct them with doubled buildtime once they have been decommissioned there (with increased decommission time as well)


Edit: Classes like Tavara, Dreadnought, Borg vessels in general, the Bortas (basically all capped vessels) as well as support ships should not be able to be acquired this way.

posted on September 1st, 2010, 11:52 pm

- reverse-engineering facility
Can acquire the blueprints of two different captured alien vessel classes to construct them with doubled buildtime once they have been decommissioned there (with increased decommission time as well)

Interesting idea although i would limit that to small vessels only. I don't see any Federation avatar using a Romulan, Borg or Dominion battleship/dreadnought

posted on September 2nd, 2010, 6:04 am

It is a very nice idea actually.  The federation are renowned for seeking diplomatic solutions ("We come in peace, shoot to kill").

However, i have decided on Vulcan them being one of the founding races of Starfleet/UFP so what mixed tech could they get?  Romulan?  Actually the Birth of the Federation mod has a ship that looks quite hybrid between Federation and Vulcan.



Note while it still has a ring nacelle it practically has a saucer section instead of the more usual Klingon angular and long bridge section.