Negh´var Changes

posted on June 10th, 2009, 10:54 am

Well, lately i got bugged by the question why the negh doesn´t have a cloaking device it certainly has it in canon.
Another thing is it´s special, which i don´t like, cause the overload can miss and then you´re stuck with a sluggish short range ship with only one disruptor beam that isn´t that strong.

So, here´s a proposal for some changes: throw out the Weapon Overload and replace it with the following "special weapon":

High Energy Cloaking Device: Due to the enormous Power this Ship generates it´s cloaking device consumes much more power than usual. When uncloaking, this ship cannot use it´s torpedos for x seconds.

That would circumvent the question of too powerful rushes, as the negh would be quite ineffective after decloaking while on the other hand giving this ship the cloak it deserves, it makes no sense to leave outsuch an essential element of klingon battle tactics on their premium battleship.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 11:17 am

i agree the negh is a tad lackluster    would like a cloak on it

posted on June 10th, 2009, 3:47 pm

Umm sorry. The largest/most advanced Klingon vessel that can cloak is the Vor'cha in canon. They explained somewhere that Negh'var is too large so the power constraints to cloak it are not feasible. Klingon cloaking devices are not as advanced as the Romulans.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:03 pm

i agree the negh is a tad lackluster    would like a cloak on it

Though I do agree it's abilities should be bolstered in some way, it's not as impressive as one would hope it would be as one of the most advanced Klingon battleships.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:04 pm

Umm sorry. The largest/most advanced Klingon vessel that can cloak is the Vor'cha in canon. They explained somewhere that Negh'var is too large so the power constraints to cloak it are not feasible. Klingon cloaking devices are not as advanced as the Romulans.

Which would explain why starfleet went to the Romulans for a Cloak!!



As to the Negh'Var, I've not played with the Klingons so I'm afraid I can't comment there

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:11 pm

Ships like the Negh'Var are designed to show off the might of the Empire, so they are most likely to focus on weapons and want to show off those weapons. Can't boast about your power if no-one can see it. If the Negh'Var was to have a cloak, it would be best on an Officer-rank ship.

Umm sorry. The largest/most advanced Klingon vessel that can cloak is the Vor'cha in canon. They explained somewhere that Negh'var is too large so the power constraints to cloak it are not feasible. Klingon cloaking devices are not as advanced as the Romulans.

Out of curiosity, where was that stated? I know the Klingon Cloak is not as advanced as a Romulan one (as it should be, since it was originally Romulan tech), but I don't remember hearing that.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:20 pm

Ships like the Negh'Var are designed to show off the might of the Empire, so they are most likely to focus on weapons and want to show off those weapons. Can't boast about your power if no-one can see it. If the Negh'Var was to have a cloak, it would be best on an Officer-rank ship.

Out of curiosity, where was that stated? I know the Klingon Cloak is not as advanced as a Romulan one (as it should be, since it was originally Romulan tech), but I don't remember hearing that.

Hmm, Upon further investigation I may be mistaken about the lack of cloak on the Negh'Var although I believe it was Martok's Neg or the Parallel Universe "All good things" Neg's that had one so that may not be the exact same as other Neg's. Anyway Sorry....

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:35 pm

I agree with Darth. The game is to be more in line with canon. The canon Neghs, even in DS9 had a cloaking device.

In fact the Negh first appears on Way of the Warrior by decloaking at DS9.

If it were to be veteran, in addition to the beams I for one would like to see it get a cloak.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:41 pm

I agree with Darth. The game is to be more in line with canon. The canon Neghs, even in DS9 had a cloaking device.

In fact the Negh first appears on Way of the Warrior by decloaking at DS9.

If it were to be veteran, in addition to the beams I for one would like to see it get a cloak.

Can't remember that episode, was that Martok's command ship that decloaked at DS9?

posted on June 10th, 2009, 4:52 pm

Can't remember that episode, was that Martok's command ship that decloaked at DS9?

yup.
Jadzia's dialogue - "this just decloaked".

Way of the Warrior part 1, before the opening credits I believe

posted on June 10th, 2009, 10:15 pm

Umm sorry. The largest/most advanced Klingon vessel that can cloak is the Vor'cha in canon. They explained somewhere that Negh'var is too large so the power constraints to cloak it are not feasible. Klingon cloaking devices are not as advanced as the Romulans.

That´s why it would have these restraints on their cloak, to avoid one hit kill tactics and to account for the fact that klingon cloaks are not that fine tuned, anyway it´s years after the dom war in FO, so it is likely the klingons could at least make a bad cloak.

And by the way, i never heard of the negh´var being a regular ship class in canon, all i know is the Negh´Var itself (flagship). 

posted on June 10th, 2009, 11:14 pm

If the klingons do anything with technology, it's build the same thing over and over again until it stops being useful. More negh'vars would definitely have been built in the time between ds9 and FO

posted on June 11th, 2009, 8:07 am

And that's the key point with them, too.  It's why the B'rel is still around.  The thing has to be rendered useless to get junked by them.  Not obsolete, like everyone else's method.  Actually useless.

That, and tradition, are the two things I think led to the fact that the K'tinga can still be called into service.  A pack of them can still raid mining, and hunt construction ships, so they aren't useless yet.

With the amount of guns on the Negh'var, not only is it going to be mass-produced, but it's not going away for a long, long time.  Gonna be really hard to render it useless.

posted on June 11th, 2009, 6:28 pm

Agree, add the cloak as a special weapon, with those side effects.

posted on June 11th, 2009, 8:40 pm

With the amount of guns on the Negh'var, not only is it going to be mass-produced, but it's not going away for a long, long time.  Gonna be really hard to render it useless.

Don't we see them in the anti-time future anyway? I seem to remember the alternate (3-nacelle) Ent-D taking out a couple

And yes. Cloak