Make the Eresis a support/special ideas

posted on November 13th, 2010, 5:06 pm

I suggest making the Eresis a support vessel.

It has been said that the roms are gonna have really really nice special weapons, so that they will be the special weapons race.

right now they have only 2 support ships (leahval and gensup) and the feds have 3 lol

i suggest making the Eresis the new support ship. still only available to helev. mijural is the late game avatar so she doesnt need any more late game fun. already has plenty of early game/staryard stuff to help him tech up. so he doesnt need the mini warbird eresis for combat. but as a support ship it would really help him out.

it would probably lose its torpedo for this purpose as its no longer a combat ship.

its special could be left there as its level 1 special, available without research.

it would need 2 more specials then.

if the genspec disappears, the eresis support could get some of its specials.

people seem to hate the genspec having the powerful shield recharge ability, if the eresis support took shield recharge it wouldnt be so op as its a late game ship, it could even be capped.

shield recharge could also be modified into an area of effect buff on shields rather than a simple point and refill idea. of course it would have far less effect. kinda like the singularity transmitter does for energy.

an idea for its special is an area of effect special that increases rate of fire for allied ships.
we have the remore that has an aoe special to make more dodging, and the c11 to give more range.

posted on November 14th, 2010, 4:46 am

it would probably lose its torpedo for this purpose as its no longer a combat ship.

 

Just like the Leahval's not a combat ship, right? 

posted on November 14th, 2010, 5:12 am

Lol it is a support ship with that special it has xD

posted on November 14th, 2010, 5:32 am

The Eresis makes Helev a more viable avatar for early warbirds, as they're faster and generally more effective than a cehalear in most contexts.  Making them cost more by making them a tri heavy support ship wouldn't be welcome for me.

Perhaps instead they could add a new support vessel to the Romulan warbird yard, but I like the Eresis the way it is.

posted on November 14th, 2010, 10:14 am

  

Just like the Leahval's not a combat ship, right?  

the leahval can be used for combat, especially considering it's specials. but why should we make the eresis a semi-duplicate of this? im afraid i dont get your point at all. i never said that all support ships cant be combat ships. i suggested that we make the eresis a support ship.

The Eresis makes Helev a more viable avatar for early warbirds, as they're faster and generally more effective than a cehalear in most contexts.  Making them cost more by making them a tri heavy support ship wouldn't be welcome for me.

Perhaps instead they could add a new support vessel to the Romulan warbird yard, but I like the Eresis the way it is.

early warbird is a primarily mijural strat, she is the bird specialist, while helev is the lower yard specialist. so i dont mind helev losing the ability to early bird. early eresis is worse than early cehlaer as the torp will miss, but the cehllaer beams wont. unless the enemy rushes to battleships. also the eresis is really easy to counter as its adai.

i suggested this in the vein of the norway, where 1 avatar gets an additional support ship, i didnt want mijural to get it since her birds are already nice, she gets 2 tavaras too. a vet tavara can have more specials than a support ship lol

maybe if helev gets it in addition to his eresis if people want the eresis to stay the same. then we would need a new model lol.

if mijural got it, there would have to be a penalty for her. maybe if she is allowed to use this support ship, she is only allowed 1 tavara again. may be difficult to implement though.

posted on November 14th, 2010, 11:23 pm

   :x

Just like the Leahval's not a combat ship, right?   :woot:

the leahval can be used for combat, especially considering it's specials. but why should we make the eresis a semi-duplicate of this? im afraid i dont get your point at all. i never said that all support ships cant be combat ships. i suggested that we make the eresis a support ship.

  Officer Myles is familiar with Irony, yes? 

  You said to make the Eresis a support and remove it's torpedo because it wouldn't be a combat ship.  And I said "Just like the Leahval's not a combat ship, right?" ironically because the Leahval is INDEED a combat ship .  I don't understand how turning the Eresis into a support would make it less like a combat ship.  In fact, by removing the torpedo (the idea that made me ) it would be even MORE like the Leahval - a powerful combat ship with no fleet-supporting abilities at all.

  Get it?

posted on November 14th, 2010, 11:35 pm

Special weapons race doesn't necessarily mean more support ships, maybe it just means they have better special weapons for all of their ships in general.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 3:10 am

I would like an Eresis support, since there are currently no support warbirds. It will also be interesting to see a support ship that is weak to support ships.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 4:12 am

I know this is sort of off topic, but it does pertain to the topic.

How often do people really use support ships?  I know people use leavhals, but those are more combat oriented then what you would say is a support ship, as in a ship that supports others, not one that can just fire a bigger gun and repair itself.  I mean how often do people actually use generix support refits? would people even use another romulan support ship?

posted on November 15th, 2010, 11:05 am

   You said to make the Eresis a support and remove it's torpedo because it wouldn't be a combat ship.  And I said "Just like the Leahval's not a combat ship, right?" ironically because the Leahval is INDEED a combat ship .  I don't understand how turning the Eresis into a support would make it less like a combat ship.  In fact, by removing the torpedo (the idea that made me ) it would be even MORE like the Leahval - a powerful combat ship with no fleet-supporting abilities at all.

of course i know the leahval is a combat ship, i even said this in my post. i wasnt ignoring your sarcasm, i was acknowledging the point you made using sarcasm.

and removing the torp from the eresis and making it a support would make it less like the leahval, as it wouldnt hold up without its specials. the leahval can work fine without research, just using its level 1 special. the eresis i propose would need research, like the canaveral. excluding direct counter situations of course. 3 specials is fleet supporting abilties, thats why they are called SUPPORT ships

get it?

posted on November 15th, 2010, 11:14 am

sorry for double post

I know this is sort of off topic, but it does pertain to the topic.

i created a thread about this here:
Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Do people use support ships?

posted on November 16th, 2010, 12:02 am

While it is nice that you made my comment into a new topic, i believe that it also does pertain to this discussion, i was more asking how often do people use generix support refits, and would a ereis support ship be actually used, as i find that the sneaky romulan specials lie in all of their ships, their short cloak time, and their special stations

posted on November 16th, 2010, 3:05 pm

on that aspect of your posts:

i've heard romulans described as the masters of special weapons, the loading screen mentions rom spws as good. Thats why i think they should have a third support ship. Their specials should be good all round too.

From what we've seen of roms (which isnt much) they like having fewer ship classes,  but have refits. So maybe this could be an eresis refit.

posted on November 16th, 2010, 3:40 pm

Instead of another support ship I would favour a second special for the Eris and for the D-Warbird.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 4:58 am

Necro thread time!

Some ideas others came up with in teamspeak:
Make the Cehlaer and Eresis both supports so that each avatar has a nice support warbird
Make Norexan a support, keep multipurpose weapons.