Centaur

[Boggz]

posted on March 20th, 2010, 6:41 pm

Last edited by Boggz on March 20th, 2010, 6:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Herro!

  So I was watching the alternate opening credits for DS9 (during the Dominion occupation of DS9) where they feature the Outpost as the Fed headquarters.  I saw in the very clear background a Centaur class ship around the Starbase.  Here

EDIT:  2:55 in the bottom right corner you will see the Centaur Class.  That shot is flipped and used again a little bit later as well.

  Until now I had assumed the only appearance of the Centaur was when the Defiant Crew took the stolen A-20 into Dominion Space.  Here's a second appearance and I was curious to know if the Centaur was a possibility for a Warp-in?  Perhaps a sooper sooper dooper UBER rare one?   

   I know the Centaur has been discussed before, but as a Warp-in it might be a very cool addition as a 15/15 type destroyer that can act as a more powerful scout of sorts.  Kind of like getting a sturdy patrol vessel .  If it were up to me, a passive that increases it's speed and sensor range at the cost of taking extra damage from Short range vessels would be an appropriate use for a medium range vessel .

[Tyler]

posted on March 20th, 2010, 7:14 pm

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Yes, the Centaur would make a good medium destroyer/scout. I'd give it stats similar to the Jem'Hadar bugship.

What about the Class name, though? We don't know what they're actually called.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 7:44 pm

What about the Class name, though? We don't know what they're actually called.

  Memory Alpha lists it as the Centaur Class - given to it by the creator who needed to make more ship classes for the shot where Fed ships are being towed home after only 14 of 112 made it back.


  I dunno ... I mean I realize it's just a kitbash made for the same reason as all the TNG models from Wolf 359, but it's still a neat one that was an Excelsior make.  Since the Excel was pressed into service and survived as a warp-in, perhaps the Centaur could be an extra-rare one.  That's what is exciting about the Warp-ins ... you never know what you're gonna get!

posted on March 20th, 2010, 7:50 pm

It's Centaur-type on MA, Centaur Class is just the most common fanon name. It was never given a proper name.

Rare makes sense, it never seemed to be as common as other TMP ships.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 8:27 pm

by alternate credits what do you mean boggz, that was never the real credits for the show in my memory, it was a fan made thing.

and as for naming things it seems unlikely to be called the centaur class, as it appears to be developed alongside the excel I, like the nebula to the galaxy. so its unlikely the pathfinder for the class would still be in service that many years later.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 9:41 pm

I like the Centaur alot. It's actually the only "kitbash" I like (it has some own elements, though. Especially the saucer has some extras and the nacelle-pylons are looking like wings).

Seeing it in FO wouldn't hurt, but I'd rather set it between Saber and Monsoon (in offense value) but with a little more defense than a Monsoon (but with a different passive. Veteran Monsoons are very hard to kill, actually so a veteran-Centaur needs more weaknesses).

posted on March 20th, 2010, 9:52 pm

i disagree 
i think it should be slightly weaker than a sabre. we saw that it seemed to be the equal or lesser of a bugship, around the level of the first destroyer. i'm thinking it could be weaker defensively by a point or two, but have torpedoes as we see the large launchers on its bottom, which would be good at dealing damage to borg ships, then again the feds have enough torps already.

all in all i just cant see an old design like the centaur being up to the level of the sabre, as thats a new design.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on March 20th, 2010, 9:57 pm

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Careful. We don't know the exact age of the Centaur-design, BUT we know that Excelsior-based designs are based on a chassis that is generally bigger than a Monsoon, even without the engineering hull. So the defense should not decrease. It should be similar to the modern Monsoon in defense, and not too far away from the excelsior, just with a tad more weak-points.

Edit: Also we saw it working as a tug on DS9, so I suggest a tractor beam instead of torps or some new special weapon.
Or a passive that works like the refitted torp-launcher of the Excelsior, but this time for the Phaser to make a clear difference.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 10:04 pm

we generally see that when the largest ship is built (constitution with miranda, excel I with centaur-type, galaxy with nebula) a smaller ship is built to accompany with similar design, just weaker in most repsects. and we also see the designs are near eachother in time, as starfleet design changes quickly

its most likely that the centaur was produced along with the excel Is, probably the later excel Is. the sabre is far newer and even though its likely smaller than the centaur (not much smaller as a centaur is an excel I saucer section basically), i would think that it is superior. We saw the centaur go up against sisko's bugship (entry level destroyer) and they seemed matched. i would say that a double silver centaur would be equal to a unranked sabre, and that the default centaur be just a tiny bit lower. I say this because i believe that the newer design of the sabre will prevail.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 10:41 pm

by alternate credits what do you mean boggz, that was never the real credits for the show in my memory, it was a fan made thing.

Perhaps I mistook  .  I may have just grown too attached to that one.  Either way, the Centaur is there.

and as for naming things it seems unlikely to be called the centaur class, as it appears to be developed alongside the excel I, like the nebula to the galaxy. so its unlikely the pathfinder for the class would still be in service that many years later.

  Hmm ... well I feel that the overwhelming consensus is that it is called the Centaur Class.  Legacy has it and so does Star Trek Online as the Centaur Class.  If you feel there is an argument to be made as to the real name of the class, by all means.



  Anyway, aside from numbers (which can always be adjusted), I was just curious to see if the Devs had even the willingness to include it in the future. 

  Oh and it's not a TMP/TOS model, it's stated as being a 24th Century Class - making it older than that design.  It is clearly a little younger than TNG, but not so much that it's WAY out of line like the Miranda or Oberth.

posted on March 20th, 2010, 10:51 pm

here is some pretty good info on it Ex Astris Scientia - The DS9TM Kitbashes

posted on March 20th, 2010, 11:31 pm

You could always go the 'Centaur Mk. II"  hahaha
Then again, there's a lot of criticism over the warp-in ability in general, so maybe a chance of getting some nerf-ships might be interesting.  You never really know who's going to respond to that distress call, and maybe the captain of some old heap wants to try to relive his glory days!

[Myles]

posted on March 20th, 2010, 11:50 pm

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  Hmm ... well I feel that the overwhelming consensus is that it is called the Centaur Class.  Legacy has it and so does Star Trek Online as the Centaur Class.  If you feel there is an argument to be made as to the real name of the class, by all means.

centaur class is easier, as we dont have to think of something else. legacy  and sto are definitely not sources of star trek info. legacy was a terrible game that should never have been released.

if its the centaur class then the centaur would be the first of the class most likely, or at least near the beginning. that would make it nearly 80 years old if it was designed alongside the excel i. the bozeman was out of date at 80 years old. presumably the excel Is. and mirandas in the dominion war were probably the last built, maybe 30-50 years ago.

i dont know what its called, the devs can pick anything, or just call it centaur-type.

posted on March 21st, 2010, 10:10 am

@Myles

  Well I really don't see any reason to argue over what the class-type is called.  It seems pretty irrelevant .

posted on March 21st, 2010, 10:12 am

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