Cardassians...

posted on September 24th, 2007, 11:09 pm

I'd like to be able to see some of them maybe? Perhaps not totally as a playable race (Although the engine allows for several races, right?), but maybe along with the Dominion? (Like instead of just the Breeb/Dominion tech, it could be Dominion Alliance Tech, Dominion/Cardassians/Breen).

posted on September 25th, 2007, 12:50 am

The Cardassians would be a good race (I like them at least), but the Dominion War kinda screwed them pretty bad. With Federation help (you know the Feds would do it) they could be powerful again though.

[Rhaz]

posted on September 25th, 2007, 2:11 pm

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The Cardassians would need a lot of new designs to bring their fleet up to date.

The Hideki is an adequate scout ship, a match for the Venture.

The Galor is more of a destroyer / light cruiser and I'd match it to the Intrepid as far as strength goes, and just give it one battleship level phaser. Maybe a Central Command avatar to decrease the cost of the Galor class.

The Keldon is arguably on par with a Galaxy class vessel, so I believe it should have a slightly uprated phaser vs the Galor, with the addition of a torpedo. Perhaps an obsidian order avatar to grant a cloak and increased speed.

And we could also incorporate the dreadnought missile =)

There are alot of un canon ships that are interesting for the Cardassians, I always liked the Norin class destroyer off of the Dominion Wars game. Also from that game are the Hutet and Tonga. I think the Hutet is overdone, so it is not one of my favorite ships.

Anyways just my two cents 

And also, the phaser would probably be called a 'Compressor beam' or a 'Spiral Wave Disruptor'. But I've seen Cardassian weapons referred to in innumerable ways.

posted on September 26th, 2007, 1:51 am

The more races the better... if I am not mistaken we see quite a few different Cardassian ships--from afar mind you--so it shouldn't be too hard to get a general idea of what their fleet should look like. Does everything have to be cannon... or can we bend the rules sometimes?

posted on September 26th, 2007, 5:06 am

No, not at all.

I was pondering further ideas on the Cardassian ships.

The Galor's Central Command option could look somewhat like this.

'Central Command Avatar - Galor Type 3, an uprated galor class ship, this was the top of the line Galor class employed by the cardassians during the 24th Century ect ect.'

+ 2 Offensive
+ 1 Defensive
+ 1 System

I really enjoyed alot of the original A2 designs such as the Vasad and Rasilak. The Brinok was cool, but was stupid as it was clearly 2 galor class ships, but was merely a cruiser when the galor herself was a battleship (in the game, I see the galor currently as a cruiser, maybe a CL, maybe a CA...maybe a DD).

posted on September 26th, 2007, 3:55 pm

Hmmmm... maybe we can get some opinions from the designers, cuz I think that a lot of people would be pleased with such an idea! (Integrating races always irritated me anyway, the Dominion is fine but with more races they could become unbalanced). I too liked the A2 designs... one thought though: are the races to be included in Fleet ops supposed to be only "major players" in the Alpha Quadrant, because if so we would either need to make up a reason why Cardassia would have come back to power, or demote them to an NPR or mercenary race.

posted on September 27th, 2007, 12:25 am

Well, it'd all depend on the timing of the games storylines.  With the Dominion in the game, it could be during the Dominion War era, which could allow the Carddies to be in it.  Post DW, the race could still be there, only with a note that they are weak, etc...

posted on September 27th, 2007, 1:27 am

The Cardassians will have had federation funds to rebuild, and the remaining several hundred Galors, Keldons and Hidekis would be supplemented by fresh designs, and this new rebuild 2nd rate power, could be hungry for victory, and with the Federation spread between the Romulan and Klingon borders as well as rebuilding their own fleet post DW, the Cardassians could be a threat. I find it likely they would engage the Klingons though, to rebuild some of their pride, or perhaps even the Dominion.

[Anonymous]

posted on September 27th, 2007, 1:56 pm

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The Cardassians would be a nice canon race to have. We could retain the simple canon ships - maybe with a few new cruiser designs to spruce things up a bit (they could have rebuilt after the dom war) and simply add the possibility for varying upgrades based on the avatar - such as the cloak for obsidian keldons or beam and hull upgrades to augment the galors. Given that the cardaasian fleet is mostly made up of a few old designs that get repeatedly refitted, this race could be more refit and research intensive instead of hull intensive - it would be a good contrast to the current fed system of hull level upgrades to get new ships.
In this setup the player could decide for himself if he wanted a fleet of galor cruisers or galor battleships - the status related to the refits on the particular hull - either shipyard or research fac based. We could also have the option - even after researching the upgrade - to produce galor cruisers from the small shipyard or galor battleships from the large shipyard.
The drawback would be that there would be less eye candy (ships) but more flexibility to outline a plan of researches to create an effective fleet - and canonically this is how the cards were.
Also, the Hutet would be a classy ship to add to this game - at par with the Rom nhavara.
And maybe a few new cruiser designs to avoid the race becoming boring.

Would also like to see the Dom Battleship with the correct size ratio to other ships - as the Navara of the Dom tree). Resource cost and balancing as per the designers - But this one would need to be added to the Dom Tree - not cardassians (in case i confuse u given the topic of this post)

posted on September 27th, 2007, 11:54 pm

Cardassians would be nice

posted on September 30th, 2007, 11:01 am

If the Cardassians are in, there should be no Obsidian Order because I think the attack on the Dominion wiped them out completly.

posted on September 30th, 2007, 2:43 pm

If the Cardassians are in, there should be no Obsidian Order because I think the attack on the Dominion wiped them out completly.

Well one could argue that they were not wiped out in one attack, just as the Tal shiar was not wiped out. One could say that that the Cardassians themselves were wiped out after the war.
One could also state that they rebuilt - Obsidian and Cardassian. Just as cardassia rebuilds so does the Obsidian order - after all secret orders like that crop up and phase out based on the intents of the populous; meaning if there were still people on Cardassia who wanted to form such an order - unless you believe all Cardassians have reformed! - the order could very well be founded afresh.

So to avoid such weird permutations and combinations by trying to gauge the possible future of any race - Let's include the Canon characters (Obsidians were major players on Cardassia and as an Avatar would be a viable option as an alternative to a Detapa council Avatar) and HAVE FUN!