Breen Warships

posted on February 2nd, 2007, 9:05 pm

The Breen ships in FO seem more powerful than the canon ones, because I was watching The Second Battle of Chin'Toka (DS9: The Changing face of Evil), and U.S.S. Defiant cracked a Breen Battleship in half, right down the centre, with only 2 Quantums.

posted on February 2nd, 2007, 11:47 pm

Ironically enough, my name is Tyler, and I'm a staunch defender of the Breen.

Their battleship as it was known was likely not even seen.

That ship that was destroyed is much smaller than the Breen Ship portrayed in this game.

The breen ship in this game is much larger.

It's closer to the size of a Romulan warbird, than the assumed 300m size of the Breen Frigate (I call it that, due to its length) of the canon series.

So it's assuming that this ship is much larger and thus can take much more of a beating.

We discussed this before, also, did you check out that thread?

[Tyler]

posted on February 3rd, 2007, 12:21 pm

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Not been to that tread, but hitting a breen ship from below could crack open any ship quite fast.

[Rhaz]

posted on February 3rd, 2007, 7:49 pm

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In this engine the ships are shooting at eachother on a flat plane, though.

The defiant (Or any other starship in this game) is only ever going to hit the Fore, Aft, Starboard or Port side of the Breen ship (Or any other starship in this game); That is, the dorsal and ventral are never going to be hit. Thus, the "cracking in half" effect could never take place and the ship would not be destroyed.

(Unless you micro them veyr well, and go under the other individuals ship, but then again, A2 has no directional armor / critical hit points.)

This totally ignores energy shields however, and seeing as the upscaled Breen BB likely has much stronger shields than the Defiant Class, regardless of where it was being hit, your desired effect would not be a two shot thing, where the Defiant could overwhelm the lightly shielded Breen FF.

posted on February 6th, 2007, 2:40 am

 &nsbp; &nsbp; Nearly every starship in DS9 seemed much weaker in general compared to other series. In the episode they take back Deep Space Nine (forget the ep title) An armada of allied ships attacked a blockade wall of dominion/cardassian ships. Numerous vessels were being blown out of the sky in single volleys and it seemed like the idea of shields was almost completley ignored for some scenes. this was done most likely because if every ship had the survivability that the other trek series gave them, a space battle of that magnitude would be extremely long (and therefore less exciting to watch let alone how much more it would cost for the cgi).

In most cases, DS9 is not a very good series to bench mark the survivability of Trek ships.

posted on February 6th, 2007, 2:42 pm

 &nsbp; &nsbp; Nearly every starship in DS9 seemed much weaker in general compared to other series. In the episode they take back Deep Space Nine (forget the ep title) An armada of allied ships attacked a blockade wall of dominion/cardassian ships. Numerous vessels were being blown out of the sky in single volleys and it seemed like the idea of shields was almost completley ignored for some scenes. this was done most likely because if every ship had the survivability that the other trek series gave them, a space battle of that magnitude would be extremely long (and therefore less exciting to watch let alone how much more it would cost for the cgi).

In most cases, DS9 is not a very good series to bench mark the survivability of Trek ships.

but dont forget, that DS9 is also the only series set during a time of war, so the weapons would be upgraded, above all the other series ( which were all set earlier in the timeline anyway).

..... And yes to make it look better on screen as well.

posted on February 7th, 2007, 3:04 am

but dont forget, that DS9 is also the only series set during a time of war, so the weapons would be upgraded, above all the other series ( which were all set earlier in the timeline anyway).

..... And yes to make it look better on screen as well.

True enough, though the same could be said for shielding
Its a caveat of writing for a 45 minute TV show. It just happens to be somewhat explainable, though it does require a small leap in the viewers suspention of disbelief.

Also TNG ran concurrent with DS9 for a season or two and Voyager surpassed it. And that was one tough little ship (granted it had invulnerability for being the shows namesake)

posted on February 7th, 2007, 1:26 pm

True, but have you ever noticed that weapons always seem to be improved the most during war, most defensive measures usually come after war (not always i know but still).

TNG was still set before the War though, plus Voyager cannot be counted as they were stranded, and thus were not subjected to the refits, upgrades etc... that they would have been otherwise.

anyway, perhaps this explains why, towards the end of the War, Jem Hadar warriors had suddenly become weaker that the average Human , getting the crap beaten out of them by the DS9 crew, (even some minor charactors)

[Anonymous]

posted on February 8th, 2007, 9:48 am

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Dampening fields?That would explain why shields seemed to disapear.Certain ships like the Defiant managed to keep their shields (for obvious reasons) and that can be explained by an immunity to the dampeners affecting the rest of the fleet.I know they did it just for eye candy but dampening fields would explain it.Also there didn't seem to be any ships on-screan capable of that on either side but we only got to see less than a quarter of either forces fleets.

posted on February 10th, 2007, 8:02 pm

dampening fields? the breen had a dampening torp, but this was adapted to by everyone, (i think the klingon were always immune to it). And no before it was adapted to, even the mighty Defiant fell victim to it. if it is going to affect one ship, it should affect all. If someone has found a way to adapt to it do you really think they are gonna withhold that information from the rest of their own fleet?

posted on February 10th, 2007, 8:39 pm

You'd also think that Starfleet would equip every one of its ships with Regenerative shields but it hasn't,most aren't compatible with the new technology.What I'm talking about is a Shield dampener which only affects shields,nothing else,opening most ships up to a thrashing.The dampening torpedo used by the Breen had weaknesses and could be easilly adapted to by the Klingons,not to mention a good helmsman could dodge it.

posted on February 10th, 2007, 11:26 pm

not to mention a good helmsman could dodge it.

In the battles which were frequently featured in DS9, the scope of the battle, number and position of ships and shots not aimed at you hitting you would generally negate the defensive skills of a helmsman.

For example:

A ship like a Nebula, Galaxy or Excelsior is going to be hit, simply because their speed and manueverability is not near high enough to dodge a torpedo.

The Defiant? maybe, a Peregrine? Probabally.

posted on February 11th, 2007, 2:51 pm

yes but regenerative shields are a completely new system, not simply an upgrade on top of an already existing one, which is essentially what the feds did to upgrade their fleet, against dominion weapons.

And yes like Rhaz said, in battles that big, what your trying to evade isn't neccesarily what your gonna get hit by.