Borg Ignore Borg Passives/Specials

posted on January 11th, 2011, 6:10 pm

For this idea, the Borg would now not be effected by any Borg specials or passives (eg:  holding beam, crew assimilator, cutting beam, energy drainer).  This shouldn't effect the balance that much since it's only to one faction and effects only that one faction.  Normal weapons and support specials (eg:  order to chaos, partial adaption, regen, energy enhancer) would still be effective.

It wouldn't effect any other faction, but it would effect Borg-vs-Borg matches quite a bit.

By the way, I think the Borg energy enhancer would be more effective if it effected all allied ships and could be placed on some dode relays.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 6:14 pm

Assimilation-themed specials not working I could live with, since you shouldn't be able to assimilate the already assimilated.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 7:17 pm

@tyler the assimilation based specials in borg v borg are probably just standard boarding actions where drones attack other drones rather than assimilate them. or maybe it works like when seven of nine did the thing to the separated drones. maybe nanoprobes can override other borg nanoprobes.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 7:20 pm

hmm yes to the assimilation parts but who really tries to capture anything bigger than a scube anyway. The weapons (cutting beam, energy drainer) would still work.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 7:28 pm

@tyler the assimilation based specials in borg v borg are probably just standard boarding actions where drones attack other drones rather than assimilate them. or maybe it works like when seven of nine did the thing to the separated drones. maybe nanoprobes can override other borg nanoprobes.

The 'Standard boading' works for things like the Incubation Centres ability, but not ones like the Auto-Assimilator that doesn't have any boarding involved.

Overriding is possible, but 7's version created a seperate collective within the collective and would be better if the attacker could also be taken. That one's a doubled-edged sword when both are nanite-heavy collectives.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 7:53 pm

but not ones like the Auto-Assimilator that doesn't have any boarding involved.

well the auto assim beam presumably beams crew from the target ship to the assimilator then assimilates them in assim chambers. for borg it would just beam them and then drones convert them to your collective. or just kill them.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 7:58 pm

Not as easy as it sounds and is just as likely that each drone you attempt to 'convert' is going to cause you to loose a ship to the enemy; their ability to hack, technology, lack of creative defense and hive mind connection is identical to yours.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 8:09 pm

Not as easy as it sounds and is just as likely that each drone you attempt to 'convert' is going to cause you to loose a ship to the enemy; their ability to hack, technology, lack of creative defense and hive mind connection is identical to yours.

well its either borg can assimilate borg, or turn off boarding for borg v borg, which i dont like. i prefer to think that borg can forcibly reprogram other borg by pushing control + alt + delete twice.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 8:12 pm

WTB Borg Rebellion avatar which have been freed by the unimatrix 0 virus and are free to rebel against the Borg Collective!

posted on January 11th, 2011, 8:15 pm

I don't think the Borg Co-operative or Hugh's crew will be involved. Interesting concept, though likely to small or isolated to really show up. They'd work well as a minor NPC with small or odd looking units, though.

well its either borg can assimilate borg, or turn off boarding for borg v borg, which i dont like. i prefer to think that borg can forcibly reprogram other borg by pushing control + alt + delete twice.

Removing the ability to assimilate other Borg would never be noticed; the crew levels are far too high to assimilate anything of worth. I can live without assimilation-themed weapons (they'd still have regular boarding), but the Borg very likely would still try anyway.

Personally, my favorite is my 'double-edged' version where the hacking can go either way.

posted on January 11th, 2011, 8:29 pm

The energy drainer wouldn't work on Borg vessels from Borg vessels because the other Borg vessel would quickly adapt.  At the very least, the energy drainer should not drain energy as quickly from other Borg vessels.  The two Borg factions adapting to each other would greatly reduce the effectiveness of the drainer.