Beaming while cloaked

posted on June 14th, 2009, 2:37 pm

Hi there!
I wanted to report that I once saw someon beaming onto a cloaked ship. As the cloak prohibints the emission of obserable signals, it's only logical that there should no (information carrying) signals be immitted as well. It's just unrealistic.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 2:42 pm

didnt the scemitar beam while cloaked ?

posted on June 14th, 2009, 3:02 pm

Starfleet can beam while Shields are up, so it would make sence that the equally advanced Romulans (and maybe Klingons, but that's a stretch) could figure out how to do the same while cloaked.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 8:51 pm

No EM-wave (light, radar) can pass the cloak, so how can the informations about a person pass?

Perhaps I'm too much of a realist again, but this is really really far from realism. Too far for my taste

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:20 pm

If they can do it on the shows, it is realistic in regard to that "universe", no matter how they explain it or don´t. 

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:32 pm

Well the show is not the only argument, as the show is incoonsistent itself. Additionally It's only the scimitar, that can (as far as I know). So the mods have to balance the game between canon delights and realism.

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posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:58 pm

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even if the Scimitar could, that doesn't count, because it used Therolon cloak, not the standard Tacyon cloak.  Though, I agree it is a flaw, but It would make a great Special weapon.  Cloak Override. Sounds cool, don't it.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 10:00 pm

Indeed.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 11:24 pm

Posted on: June 14, 2009, 03:42:42 PMPosted by: Blade 
didnt the scemitar beam while cloaked ?

answer is No, it beamed picard off the Enterprise and then cloaked, later in the nebula, the Enterprise took out its cloak with a spread of Quantum torpedoes, then beamed a boarding party onto The Enterprise.

posted on June 16th, 2009, 9:15 am

even if the Scimitar could, that doesn't count, because it used Therolon cloak, not the standard Tacyon cloak.  Though, I agree it is a flaw, but It would make a great Special weapon.  Cloak Override. Sounds cool, don't it.

Sorry Zaxxon, but thats BS. There was never a mention of a Thalaron Cloak. It has a Thalaron weapon, the cloak is just a cloak. The reason ships cant use the cloak and their weapons at the same time is three-fold:

1- Energy requirements have always prevent ships from using the cloak and either shields or weapons.
Chang's ship in ST6 only cheated half of this with its cloak, and that cloak was terrible in that it left a clear trail. The Scimitar, (through unknown means) had enough energy generation to maintain all three systems up at the same time. My guess is just based on its size and a more efficent cloak it used dual Quantum singularity reactors to keep everything going.
2- Firing while cloaked either gives away your position, must be used infrequently or while moving very rapidly. which is a problem because while cloaked you have to minimize impulse use, or youll leave a trail (like Chang). If you fire too often and dont have shields youll get rocked by location triangulation and some staccato fire.
3- Weapons tend to have recognizeable energy signatures. So, you cant have them on while approach or you may be noticed (part of the endless cat and mouse btwn cloaks and sensors). Turning them on at the last moment (assuming you have the power) could then be problematic because of the time it may take to "warm up" the weapons per se, to charge capacitors or w/e.

Now back to the actual topic: Beaming while cloaked. I cant see a reason why a ship would be unable to do so. What i can see is why they'd be unwilling to do so. Its a transmitted energy signal thats pretty damn recognizable. It would give away where you are, negating the point of a cloak. So yea the best thing to do is to make it so that when a ship cloaks it stops transporter usage, when it transports it decloaks. simple. And yea Defiant is right.

The scimitar just breaks the rules, because its a plot device. But its abilities are not all that out of the the realm of trek tech. Oh and one more thing Zexx, Tachyon has nothing to do with cloaking. They have everything to do with detecting cloaks. Hit up Memory Alpha.

posted on June 16th, 2009, 6:14 pm

Remember the episode Reunification?  Klingons can beam while cloaked...at least the ship that got nicknamed 'D'tai' can.  They just don't like to do it.  Too sneaky.

posted on June 16th, 2009, 6:25 pm

A standard cloaking device would interfere with trasport capabilities because the Anti-protons and Techyon emisions interfere with the transporter beam. This is also the reason wy normally weapons couldn't be fired when cloaked without some major modifications that really puts stress on the cloaking feild. So basically a standard cloaking device can act as a trasport inhibitor.

On the other hand, a Theleron Cloak (or cascading Bio-genic pulse as Geordi called it) works differently. The ship is able to transport (that is how they got data aboard) when cloaked becaus the Theleron doesn't interfere with transporters.

posted on June 16th, 2009, 7:04 pm

Wow HawkShark no need to be so harsh.  All I meant, was original cloak was detectable, because it Dislodged stray tachyons, or emitted them (which ever, this is why it is called tachyon detection grid), and the scimitars emitted Theleron Radiation when it was raised, so I was only citing that difference.  I really have no Idea what real, fake, tech is behind cloak, only that the Scimitar's was different.  I was only saying, that because it is different, and it was not really talked about much, we can really assume it can do whatever we want.  At least in this case. 

I do agree though that there isn't a real reason why it wouldn't work.  I mean it already takes the shields off line, so that isn't an issue.

posted on June 16th, 2009, 9:49 pm

I can't remember precisely, but I think that not even Thaleron Radiation was emmitted... it mighta been just from  the special weapon and its energy core (they did say the cloak was perfect: no radiation of any sort).

posted on June 17th, 2009, 4:57 pm

Now back to the actual topic: Beaming while cloaked. I cant see a reason why a ship would be unable to do so. What i can see is why they'd be unwilling to do so. Its a transmitted energy signal thats pretty damn recognizable. It would give away where you are, negating the point of a cloak. So yea the best thing to do is to make it so that when a ship cloaks it stops transporter usage, when it transports it decloaks. simple. And yea Defiant is right.

Then you may explain why any energy is bended around the ship, and all energy emitted from the ship is held back, except of the meaming singals???