Anti-Photons ;-)

posted on March 12th, 2009, 5:28 pm

lol sorry about that      (i think you need a few more smilies)

posted on March 12th, 2009, 6:05 pm

hehe this is one of the best threads ever 

we should consult the borg for more information 

posted on March 12th, 2009, 6:10 pm

they say lower your firewalls and prepare to have your computer assimilated   

posted on March 12th, 2009, 8:01 pm

No! I will resist!!! :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :fish: I won't resist with guns, but FISH!!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!  Awww, man!

This has been fun, but let's get back on toppic, K?

posted on March 12th, 2009, 9:23 pm

No! I will resist!!! :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :fish: I won't resist with guns, but FISH!!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!  Awww, man!

This has been fun, but let's get back on toppic, K?

for ur fish

YouTube - New McDonald's fish commercial 2/2009 Full

posted on March 13th, 2009, 12:50 pm

Resistance against closed timelike fish is futile. 

@Megaman3321

I need you to explain several things to me. I don't get everything clearly. 

I believe that the time loop is called a "closed timelike curve", and the weapon in FO related to it is the Premonitions special ability, as they remain in a temporal loop because, although you can alter the main timeline, you cannot alter the sub timeline.

Is it possible to interact with an object in a CTC; why? Is is possible to keep a spacy object in a CTC and not just a dot-like event? If ships can't do anything while being inside the temporal trap, why can torpedos harm them in there? What is the sub-timeline? Can one object pass through different timelines? What is it that distguishs timelines?

And the other reason that the Feds can't send us an engineer is because traveling backwards in time requires a real negative number, which is something science cannot currently grasp. Although it may be possible in something like year 6000 or so, it's currently not possilbe, and will not be anytime soon.

That was a joke. I myself don't believe in time travels because the grandfather paradox, is an overwhelming argument against it IMO. What do you mean by "real negative number"?  What is is we cannot do today?

Well, it's actually almost entirely kinetic, as light-based weapons don't even scratch them. Phasers fire nadion particles, photons are matter-speed based weapons, and disruptors fire particles. Shields apperantly use a form of gravition to deflect/absorb attacks, meaning that they use the warp field for stability, explaining why a station would be able to use shields/cloak.

I assume you're talking about shields. What about them is kinetic? Do you mean them to reduce the kinetic energy of any incoming particle indirection of the ship? If the shields are not scratched by light, why don't they use gamma-rays to perturbate electronic systems of the ship and kill it's crew? Could you tell me the story of an approaching torpedo, to explain, how a shield really works in your perception? (Perhaps some other ones could state their notions too. Perhaps tat will result in different shielding technologies for different races (that may not be considered fir the iconians yet)).

However, an Anti-Photon pulse would cause a hull to age backwards , theoretically meaning that enough shots would cause it to become energy.  Look at the game Singularity, and you'll understand my meaning.

Why would it cause the the hull to ag backwards? It would they move their worldline backwards then, in the opposite direction of the ships impulse, and end as photons 4billion years earlier? Btw. Anti-photon is an ugly word, as I stated above  . Can you tell about the game "Singularity"?

I hope you won't fish me down, because it's too many questions .

PS: As far as i'm capable pf counting it's been about 15. Have a nice day. 

[Atlantis]

posted on March 13th, 2009, 2:17 pm

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Shields can not be Gravitic-based and function in the way described above. If they did, then no weapons (or anything) would be able to get OUT either. Weapons are tuned to a specific frequency to allow them to get through the firing ship's shields (this is the "shield modulation"), but gravity doesn't have a frequency, so it can't be this...

Also, using the function described above, it would also affect light (light is affected by gravity), so the ship would be effectively cloaked too... and the "shielded" ship woudln't be able to see out either...

And as we've seen that this doesn't happen, ST shields can work like this.

[Megaman3321]

posted on March 13th, 2009, 2:20 pm

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.Well, I guess my sources were wrong. 

BUT, it is still some sort of kinetic barrier, along with energy barrier. The energy barrier is presumably highly advanced, as lasers could not penetrate even the navagational shields, but aren't strong against phasers, torpedoes, etc, requiring more advanced kinetic shielding for torps, and force fields for phasers.

posted on March 13th, 2009, 2:22 pm

Hm, you'd replied before I'd added the second part... So what about the light problem?

posted on March 13th, 2009, 3:08 pm

negative numbers are imaginary notated by the i function.

posted on March 13th, 2009, 3:58 pm

Just wanted to say that they're "gravitons" not "gravitions."

Also, Atlantis, that's a good point. Like I said, I don't know if my source was fact or fiction. Plus, this fact is definitely far away from me right now. (I'm in college.....source is at home....several provinces away  )
Maybe there are specific frequencies that it oscillates at that doesn't produce gravity. Lol, I know, doesn't even make sense, I'm making this up.... 

posted on March 13th, 2009, 6:11 pm

Odds are, it's not gravity technology.  If the most common shield type was based upon gravity technology, the Borg wouldn't bother with gravimetric torpedoes because it would be easily countered by people, thus making it an ineffecient weapon choice.

The most likely shielding types are EM, Plasma, possibly some form of shaped energy projection that we don't really understand yet.  It can't be based off the Wardenclyffe project either, as that would destroy torpedoes rather effectively.

For those who don't know, the Wardenclyff project was Nikola Tesla's last great work, killed by corporate short-term profit seeking.  He took it's secrets with him to the grave, so we haven't even been able to successfully weaponize it.  It was about directing and channeling raw electricity up into the terawatt range with precision and no wires using early 1900's technology that Tesla designed and built.  Take that technology, and apply about 4 centuries of refinement and new materials, and you could get a weapon designed to channel the entire power output of all the matter-antimatter reactors on a galaxy-class starship to a single point using an ionizing channel through the loose atoms in space, either to repower an external source, or possibly as an extreme-output pure-energy weapon.  Literally a super-lightning cannon.

Might be fun to see a Fed ship toting that kind of extreme advancement of Tesla's work, mind you.  Likely an experiment craft with that as it's special weapon with a large cooldown due to needing to recharge the capacitor array.

posted on March 13th, 2009, 7:38 pm

That discussion starts to become interestng.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Shields

"Deflector shields operate by creating a layer of energetic distortion containing a high concentration of gravitons around the object (ship, city, etc.) to be protected. Shield energies can be emitted from a localized antenna or "dish" (such as a ship's navigational deflector), or from a network of "grid" emitters laid out on the object's surface (such as a ship's hull)."

Is memory alphy a trustworthy source?

Shields can not be Gravitic-based and function in the way described above. If they did, then no weapons (or anything) would be able to get OUT either. Weapons are tuned to a specific frequency to allow them to get through the firing ship's shields (this is the "shield modulation"), but gravity doesn't have a frequency, so it can't be this...

Also, using the function described above, it would also affect light (light is affected by gravity), so the ship would be effectively cloaked too... and the "shielded" ship woudln't be able to see out either...

And as we've seen that this doesn't happen, ST shields can work like this.

That's wat is bothering myself too. Thanks; I didn't like to be the only one. 

If control of gravity was possible a deflector could possibly stop incoming particles and energy by bending it around a gravimetric sink. But that's not what we see in StarTrek. We're familiar with projectiles explode and beams stop clarly distant from the hull, and leave a more or less coloured blur. This leads to the assumption of the incoming particles/energy dissipated within matter.

I don't know if any force-field was capable of that too, but if YOU know, please let us know.

IMO plasma is the most promising candidate in this context, because you can lokalize it's density and catch micro-particles, ionized-particles, plasma itself, and (though insufficiently small amounts of) EM energy. It's surly not capable of holfing off massive particles, which could be rather done by a gravitational push or a piont defense laser.

As far as I can imagine there is nothing that can be done against gravitic shockwaves or gravimetric torps, except of staying out of range.

@ Dircome

Sorry, but you messed something up. Those numbers, containing the function

i := squareroot(-1)

span the vectorspace of complex numbers in the way of z = x + i y, where x and y are real numbers.

I know the negative numbers to be real numbers that are less than zero. I checked wiki concerning that:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_numbers 

My question was what Megaman3321 ment with "Feds can't send us an engineer is because traveling backwards in time requires a real negative number". To state in more precisly: Negative in what parameter.

posted on March 13th, 2009, 7:48 pm

  I mean absolute value. It always has to be a positive, and travel through time requires a real positive number, and requires negative movement, which is impossible. To sum it up: the 4th Dimension of time is really movement. ZPF is a perfect example of this, as is 0 K. At absolute 0, oscillation stops, and the object in question is effectively held in time. A CTC can only be broken by mo


Warp drive operates on huge amounts of gravity, causing the universe to literally shrink. Manipulation of the universe on a sub-atomic scale is veeery common in Trek (on a similar note, the episode of TNG with the terrorists attacking children used Hyperdrive, which was fatal to humans.)

posted on March 13th, 2009, 8:09 pm

It always has to be a positive, and travel through time requires a real positive number

OK, I agree with you about negative absolute movement speed. That'd be backwards in time. But what do you mean by positive number. You need to assign that value to a parameter, a property to give it sense. Do you mean positive energy?

I can't get the point of your first paragraph at all? I'm quite studied with physics and can't get the connection between CTCs and a ZPF. A CTC is mostly created high curvature metric, where the light cone is tilted beyond 45 degrees (in a minkowski diagram), which isn't implied by 0K Temperatue per se.