Klingons are too strong

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posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:54 pm
Just installed the latest update although i have the feeling that this problem has existed since the previous release.  Whel playing single player against the AI (3 opponents different races) the Klingons always win unless i stop them... and even then stopping them is a real challenge).  The kilingons pump ships really quick and simply swarm the other AI opponents.

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3 opponents (different races).  All on Hard AI.

Played as both Borg and Federation.  As Federation i had some success thanks to warping in ships.  As borg i got my ass royally handed to me twice because i couldnt build up a force to take the klingons before they came in to my base in force.   BTW: Most of my testing was done on Nirvana.... i should have been able to defend against anything really.
posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:02 pm
Someone has to win  :thumbsup:
posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:29 pm
Klingons are too strong? Makes a change from Federation are too strong...
posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:38 pm
The game is balenced for player vs player.

The AI is stupid so it has to cheat. The AI will build klingon yards with 3 buildques while the player have to build 2 ques after the yard is finished.
The AI got much more recources as she is gathering.

A player will pay for every ship and for 2 buildques more and will have less recources.


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The AI Klingons are to strong because of the stupid AI and the only way to help the AI.
posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:56 pm
really? i can hand the merciless Klingons a serving of their own ass.

The AI does get a resource bonus, if you want it to play more like you use the modifiers in the advanced menu, drag the AI build time and resource cost to the far right and it will be a bit closer to your level
posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:58 pm
The Klingon AI doesn't have to buy supplies.

  If anything right now the Klingons are "all or nothing" with their first batch of supplies.  You can't lose too many of those first ships or you are in deep shit as the first Supply purchase costs 1500 and the second costs 2000, then 2400 and so on.  It's crippling, especially when you have to save up.
posted on January 21st, 2010, 9:59 am
The klingons are the spammiest AI next to the dominion. The best tactics against them are to dig in the best you can, and keep killing their ships they'll send after you as much as possible to get rank ups and etc.

Your strategy will vary depending on your race, as feds, mayson is a good choice (turrets), or with Risner, abuse the hell out of the fighter ships to rip the small klingon ships apart (the fighters have pulses, which do more damage against small ships).

As borg, don't pick Assimilate, it's my opinion that right now that avatar is more or less useless ever since they nerfed Assimilators special weapon energy. Although if you do go Assimilate, spam as many beam assimilators as you can, as they will always hit the klingon ships and will multitarget, tearing their fleets apart pretty quickly.

With optimize, use a similar tactic, but with spheres. Then build diamonds when you can and use nanites to rip apart clustered fleets.

The klingons and the dominion are very nasty AIs to go against right now, but they are defeatable.

If all else fails, do what I do, and up the AI build time/cost sliders a bit. I currently play on 1.15 multiplier for both and it seems pretty fair, I will probably lower it another notch once I've a good grasp on 3.1.1 gameplay for all the races.

Also, if you play with AI allies, don't expect them to do much, it seems the AI doesnt function properly when it is you ally. If playing solo do free for all games rather than teams, it'll work out better usually.

The klingons are definately not overpowered, but they support the AIs lack of tactics very well with their spammy quick ships. The AI is also much better than most human players at micro-managing cloaks and special weapons.
posted on January 21st, 2010, 11:11 am
you may also jsut want to use a normal AI :)
posted on January 21st, 2010, 11:19 am
Quatre wrote:The AI got much more recources as she is gathering.


I love the way you refer to the AI as a woman  :lol:
posted on January 21st, 2010, 1:48 pm
AI maybe i dont know but i played as borg and beat a klingon player the other day. But if you cant beat them then lower the difficulty.
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posted on January 21st, 2010, 2:18 pm
DarkDragon452 wrote:The klingons are the spammiest AI next to the dominion. The best tactics against them are to dig in the best you can, and keep killing their ships they'll send after you as much as possible to get rank ups and etc.


If you dig in even for a second, then you lost the entire battle.
Applies to AI Merciless.
posted on January 21st, 2010, 9:45 pm
I'm aware of the options.  Indeed i'm trying to improve my gameplay by increasing the difficulty bit by bit, trying out different things, etc.

I only play singleplayer (too many distractions at home to commit to playing against people, i have to pause frequently when playing any game).

Just played again earlier, another game against 3 AI on a more open map.  Again, Klingon were dominant although i held out long enough as the Borg to get a few ships built and captured a good few ships using assimilators and at this point i could take out the Klingons and then the rest.  Still, the point of these games were not actually about winning but watching how the AI compare to each other.

So, 4 games with different maps and different settings, and Klingons were the strongest AI player in each game.

Still, understand that the AI isnt perfectly balanced and that focus is on PvP.  Its great the mods actually put some efforts into maintaining the SP aspect of the game.
posted on January 24th, 2010, 12:40 pm
DarkDragon452 wrote:The klingons are the spammiest AI next to the dominion. The best tactics against them are to dig in the best you can, and keep killing their ships they'll send after you as much as possible to get rank ups and etc.


Why would you dig in??

If you wanna take out the klinks fast  you need to keep them on the backfoot, poor all or nothing into taking out their first yard. The AI hearts B'rel so just tech to intrepids/generix or equivillent and hut there asses down. The Klingon AI will spead itself thin early game, its expantions are easy pickings.

If your the borg go for Optimize an get a sphere ASAP, the AI will take while to get anything even close to being able to damage that thing.
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