Breen warship

posted on November 5th, 2011, 5:35 pm

The breen warship was if not mistaken the main warship vessel of the breen. But holy moly! Fleet ops makes it a damn battleship with disruptor beams (???) and torpedoes. We only saw it firing dissapators and disruptors pulses/torpedoes. I think this ship should be scaled a "bit" down, make it fast and strong around the akira levels..

My opinion guys What you guys think?

posted on November 5th, 2011, 5:40 pm

It changed scale a lot in DS9 (both in terms of size and firepower), so fits for me more or less . We heard a few times in both TNG and DS9 about Breen disruptors with no real clarification too. Breen Cruiser fulfills the more 'mainline' warship role at the moment in FO and the Breen in DS9 only ever had one ship 

posted on November 5th, 2011, 5:52 pm

Breen cruiser = warship is actually the same in ds9 terms. How many did they say: "sir incoming jemhadar warships!" and we saw the attack fighters. Few episodes later, they say the term attack fighter instead of warships.

The breen cruiser aka warship is the only ship we saw, granted! But it was never that "omg battleship powerful". Two quantums snapped her / a barrage of pulse phasers crippled the ships + unleashed fire from it. (remember how many times the lakota was hit with that kind of barrage? An upgraded old ship). The disruptors we heard, are the typical green torpedoes they fire. Also i think the breen warship is more a fast powerful ship instead of the slow battleship we have in fleet ops and in terms of powerful, i mean weapons wise, not shield or hull wise.

posted on November 5th, 2011, 6:01 pm

Ah, I am talking about the FO designations - Breen Cruiser and Battleship

However, we did hear about the Breen Warship (ala Battleship) decimating Earth and its defenses, destroying hundreds of ships - especially in the Chintoka system - it was only later when they decided to tone down the 'unknown race destroys everything' factor that they became manageable. Seems to be the mark of a powerful war vessel - just like we saw with the Defiant, and many other ships  . In FO it'd be like comparing a veteran Defiant to a tier 1 Breen - what's the basis, what are the strengths, who's doing the targeting, etc

As for quantums - remember First Contact? How many quantums kills a Borg Sphere? What about how many quantums it takes to kill a Cardassian Galor  Apparently Spheres are weaker than Cardassian ships. Cross comparisons are just utterly confounding in Star Trek, since there's zero consistency - even between episodes (like sizes of ships in DS9).

posted on November 5th, 2011, 6:17 pm

a veteran defiant vs an unranked breen battleship in fleetops will have similar results to the episodes. quick victory for the defiant. defiant has a passive that makes it do 50% more damage to the breen battleship, so it should give it a spanking. the first volley takes away around half the battleship's shields.

also remember that single 1 on 1 ship battles tend to take longer in fleetops due to several factors, the weapons in fleetops arent as quick to do damage as a2, and in the shows we dont see every shot fired, so things appear to move along quicker.

also as dom says: 6 quantums = 1 bug doesnt match with 4 quantums =  1 sphere.

everything's more powerful when new to the show, like quantums/bugs/borg/breens/anything in the delta quadrant.

happens with other sci fi shows too, like the jaffa in sg1, started off as awesome soldiers who spent their whole life training to be strong and effective, then a few seasons later they are star wars storm troopers, cant aim for shit and have glass jaws, they die by the truck hatak load.

posted on February 11th, 2012, 11:13 pm

I think that things are powerful when new to Star Trek because the Feds have no idea how to defend themselves against the new enemy. Likely they review sensors and "learn" ways how to better their defenses against the enemy for the second/third/fourth time around.

Like how the Breen Dampening Torpedoes, those were the longest lasting "Doomsday" Weapon in I think all Star Trek Episodes from the first of TNG to End Game from VOY.

posted on February 11th, 2012, 11:17 pm

Pretty much, it is from their perspective after all.

posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:27 am

i think the breen have the same problem as many other ships in star trek do. when a term like warship, attack ship, destroyer, battle ship etc is added to a ship..... like the galor class or the dominion "bug ship" or borg sphere along with a few other ships. the same model is used but to to give the impression of variety in a races fleet the term battle ship or W/E is added to the ships title. so in fleet ops who's to say its not a battleship or warship etc. from the breens point of view im sure they regard it as a battleship .....especially if they have another ship in there fleet that is far less powerful then there "breen battleship" .....that would kinda make it a battle ship for them.

posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:29 am

While we're discussing Breen balance, are there any plans to recast the Breen Battleship outside of its stupidly limited little niche?

posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:36 am

You mean the niche that includes all medium ranged ships that aren't destroyers and all battleships?  Such a limited niche that one... still not nearly as limited as the Dodecahedron or Scout Cube of course

posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:39 am

hmmmmm i did think the breen battleship was one of the better battleships vs battleships ...

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posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:40 am

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speaking of the breen battleship, it currently spanks battleships, and the battleship classification is going i presume, so what will the breen battleship be like after the change?

hmmmmm i did think the breen battleship was one of the better battleships vs battleships ...

it is good, and it has a beam too, so it is useful against all mediums if it can get an ok hit rate.

glad that thing is slow as hell, it's a death cannon.

posted on February 12th, 2012, 4:55 am

You mean the niche that includes all medium ranged ships that aren't destroyers and all battleships?  Such a limited niche that one... still not nearly as limited as the Dodecahedron or Scout Cube of course

Nonsense. The Breen Battleship is expensive and slow as hell, and it's not some spur-of-the-moment counter to an unexpected battleship rush: you have to invest in them from the outset by sacrificing your lovely puretech carriers on the altar of Breen.

In virtually every situation, the best choice is to invest in V13s or Dreads and supplement them with carriers to tank a crapton of torpedo damage. You can even throw bombers into the mix.

posted on February 12th, 2012, 11:30 am

War ship or battleship?

Ex Astris Scientia - Size of the Dominion Battleship

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... -ships.gif

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posted on February 12th, 2012, 12:22 pm

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v13 is a generalist, and is rarely gonna cost you bad, hence it seems so much more attractive than the breen battleship. but the v13 also gets the breen torp bonus, so it's not a puretech only thing.

both breen ships are useful, you can get to either of them just by making the prototype assuming you have the yard. and the amount of damage it does certainly matches the speed. kinda like the e2, but actually with a passive. and if you get the special, you can really be annoying to expensive enemy ships. the breen carrier isn't useless either, just not as good. so mixing carriers in will prevent the enemy from spamming small ships like monsoons to counter your breen battleships.

people tend to stay away from the non standard ships too much, last time i saw someone risk breen battleships, they really were useful, we beat a double fed with it.

the breen cruiser is probably more well known seeing as it's small yard.

the sorta thing that breen battleships counter are also the sorta thing that people stay away from, when was the last time you saw big D? nope always leahval spam, when was the last time you saw defiants or sovvie (and akiras to a lesser degree), nope spam chassis 1/warpin/e2 ftw

people tend to stick to so many of the same strats over and over that these outlying ships seem crappy, but aren't. they are just underused.