Breen Cruiser

posted on June 13th, 2009, 4:06 am

I tried it, and it doesnt make sense. First off, the escort cruiser has better stats for cheaper price. Also, it hastorpedoes which are btter against small ships. Someone wanna explain to me what it's useful for?

posted on June 13th, 2009, 4:21 am

Yeah, I've been a little confused about that too since the changeover for the Breen Cruiser and Battleship. However, there are three advanatages that the Breen Cruiser has over the S-2: it has longer range (long compared to short) and it has a 360 degree firing arc (so you can retreat and fire those easily missing torps  ) and it can be upgraded with the cloaking device. As a cruiser, it honestly is NO replacement for the S-2, due to that "oh my torps aren't good against cruisers or battleships". However, when faced by Sabers and Canaverals, you can at least fire back, because you know you won't be able to catch up. Still, it is an oxymoron that it's torps are good against little ships, but it will miss 40% of the time.. 

posted on June 13th, 2009, 1:19 pm

That's actually easy to answer.

The Breen Cruiser is the 'late game' cruiser.  Thanks to it's Torp volleys, if you're fighting Borg, or facing Mirajul or Martok, you have a cruiser that's effective against those large ships due to torp volleys.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 1:24 pm

I find that the Breen Cruiser is an Anti-Destroyer Cruiser since it deals more Damage to smaller vessels than larger ones. Plus it acts as a Cloaking Cruiser. The Breen Battleship takes the role of Anti-Destroyer as well as a Dampening Battleship.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 2:32 pm

tje breen and dominian starships should be faster and they cant shoot in the back

posted on June 13th, 2009, 3:12 pm

@ Silent93: sorry mate, the Breen Cruiser is meant for early game: Almost all Borg vessels count as battleships, which means that the Cruiser actually gets a large damage penalty for attacking them (even though it will hit everytime). It get a damage boost for attacking destroyers--just like the Breen Battleship. I guess it could be used like you suggested, but it doesn't do very well at that task (A-26 Bombers take that role much better). I think Gamer hit it spot on.

@ Picard: the Breen vessels have 360 degree fire arcs and allow the Dominion to get speed upgrades.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 3:13 pm

The cloak is nice, but i often wondered why the battlecruiser hasn´t got one. It leaves you with one ship that can cloak, not really an advantage, cause theirs no fleet to mix with only one ship, at least the battleship should have a cloaking device too.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 3:22 pm

Odd.  In my experience, it works better against big ships than little.  Largely because it misses ALOT against little.

posted on June 15th, 2009, 12:39 pm

Odd.  In my experience, it works better against big ships than little.  Largely because it misses ALOT against little.

yes i think it's not really effective against destroyer fleets.

posted on June 15th, 2009, 7:59 pm

yes i think it's not really effective against destroyer fleets.

It should have something like Guided Breen Torpedos, increasing it´s hit chance on destroyers/small ships.

posted on June 15th, 2009, 8:02 pm

Yes it should indeed Darthashur: I mean, before it had pulse weapons. Has anybody checked the odfs to see what exactly the hit chance of its torps are? (should be nbrW_ or something...) I'll check when I get back home if I remember.

posted on June 15th, 2009, 9:39 pm

same hit chance like all torpedoes

posted on June 17th, 2009, 4:46 am

I've been playing around with the Breen cruiser, and you'll all be surprised to know that it does equal damage to all types of starships!

Here's the base damage for 1 torpedo: 8.18.  Damage against a destroyer is 10.634.  Damage against a Battleship (Sovereign in this case) is 6.544.  There are 5 torpedoes in a barrage (it fires 2, then 3)

So, against a Sov, 6.544x5=32.72 damage.  Against a Dominion Attack Destroyer, 10.634x5=53.17, then x.6 for the hit rate=31.902 damage.  An Akira takes base damage, 8.18x5=40.9, x.8=32.72 damage.

So 31.9 against destroyers, 32.72 for cruisers and battleships.  I smiled and said, "Well thought out, Optec!" when I saw this.  Pretty clever with the numbers, I think.

Also, against stations, 24.5 barrage damage.  And there are a few ships like the b-5 battle cruiser that recieve slightly different damage, but the numbers I have listed are about the average.

Also if I add up the shot delays, .15+.85+.15+.15+2.2=3.5, then normalize it to a delay of 2 like I've done before, 3.5/2=1.75.
8.18(the base damage)x5=40.9        40.9/1.75=23.37, precisely the offensive value stated on the tooltip.

So don't be afraid of what ship you're fighting, Breen Cruisers do the same damage to all vessels, adjusting for the missrates of cruisers and destroyers.  Pretty cool stuff.

posted on June 17th, 2009, 5:27 am

Umm, err whatever you say Mal, i believe you. 

posted on June 17th, 2009, 5:46 am

I guess it does look like a big jumble of numbers.

The odf for the breen cruiser weapons is nbreW_cruiser1 and nbreW_cruiser1o if you want to check it out.  The cruiser is more expensive now because of its 360 degree fire-arc, but in many ways this is an improvement over the forward-firing pulses, which only did 80% damage to cruisers and 60% damage to battleships.  The fact that it now does the same damage to all vessels means it's gotten quite an improvement, and being able to fire while retreating from long range is definitely a big plus.