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« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2007, 12:20:21 AM » |
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Oh no my good sir, let me just say, YOUR mom.
No, of course Doca or Optec won't listen to me, but it doesn't hurt to try of course. I for one won't play this mod again until the shiplist makes more sense.
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« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2007, 12:05:33 PM » |
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ahhh i've missed these rivoting conversational flahpoints lately  PD, your gonna boycott FO because of a few ships which to be blunt have practically always been a part of the mod? well, suppose its your loss pal. |
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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2007, 08:14:13 PM » |
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Oh yeah...well... that's what she said!
And common, what else doesn't make sense about the shiplist: could you perhaps come up with a better one and post it here so we can see as well.
I think Ryan got it right when he said these ships have been in the mod for awhile: why bring it up now?
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« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2007, 11:54:01 PM » |
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In my defense, I've been brining this subject up since, what, 03-04? If I wanted to play a fairly uncanon mod, I could just revert back to standard A2. The Romulans I can basically understand (Except the Tavara/Scimitar issue), and possibly some of the Klingon ships, but the Federation has waaaayyy too many canon designs to make any up. Canaveral, that ugly ass Remore, Decent, none of which doesn't already have some sort of a canon equivalent.
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« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2007, 12:44:05 AM » |
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Ok, well... since I know that I am fairly unschooled in star trek canon ship lore (that was an ugly sentence), could you enlighten me on these ships that fulfill the same roles/strengths? I haven't read any of your really old posts, so I didn't know how long you've been bringing this "issue" up.  |
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« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2007, 04:28:27 PM » |
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As far as the feds go, I would agree with Praetor.
The feds have many different classes, so much so, that the non-canon classes are not needed. Galaxies are the mainstay of the fed fleet. Instead we have officer points for them, and for the nebula class. While Remores and Canaverals are built at ease.
I would request having more canon ships as the buildable fleet, with the add-ons needing officer points from Startfleet HQ.
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« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2007, 03:32:57 AM » |
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I agree as well..there really are so many ship classes thats we've seen that the need for "aftermarket" or non-cannon classes is very little...I play the mod because its fantastic..but I alter it to suit my needs..therefore I won't play online...
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« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2007, 06:17:39 AM » |
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Galaxies are NOT the mainstay of the fleet.
- Too Expensive
- High Crew Requirements
The refitted Excelsiors (if the initial model HAD been phased out) would likely make up the bulk of federation ships along with the Nebula Class. The Akira would also be numerous (Although I am one of the few who detests 15 torpedo tubes.).
Also, I think the non canon ships are nice I guess. But I too prefer the canon designs.
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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2007, 01:21:33 PM » |
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Thinking about it, my very first post in these forums were for more canon ships, I think specifically the Miranda and Excelsior. How ironic, my first posts and my most recent are almost exactly the same. To be honest, if I knew Optec would just ignore me, I wouldn't have started this mod in the first place, and written off A2 as already been played to it's full extent.
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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2007, 01:31:39 PM » |
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we still have excelsior/miranda todo and a lot of classified todos which one may associated with it...  |
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« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2007, 08:52:24 PM » |
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Just because we don't fulfill all wishes of our members imminent does not mean that we ignore someone. As I already state back in the past where the voices rose for more cannon ships: we have plans for them, but the "standard" unit collection is based of the time line and the story of the Fleet Operations universe, and thats not TNG or DS9. You cant make it right for everybody  And i think we never forced anybody to play Fleet Operations.. well except for Detektor for testing reasons  |
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« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2007, 01:41:55 AM » |
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Yes but as far as I'm aware, canon ships are still not going to play a very important role. Hell, at one point, you guys were talking about having them in as map objects.
Don't get me wrong, this is your mod, and yours to do with as you want, but there are a number of us that would prefer to have ships we're familiar with in it, not something one of you have designed for funziez. I left this forum to go play a Freelancer, Star Wars realism mod, thats how sick I got of this.
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« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2007, 01:26:50 PM » |
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More canon ships are good, but the Remore is a great ship. It may be Non-canon but it is perfect where it is in the game. Besides that, Canon ship that are still built by Starfleet are good, but Non-canon ships allow for more more creativity.
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« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2007, 05:59:53 PM » |
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I'd actually donate to change some of the shiplists, at the possible expense of sounding selfish.
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« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2007, 12:19:51 PM » |
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PD, i can see what your getting at, my main concern about non-cannon ships is that most of them often look like kitbashed monstrosities. However during the course of FO development the non cannon ships here are evolving into something quite special. plus dont forget for balancing purposes some non cannons will have to be included, Plus due to the timeline which this is taking place many of the oldies are being phased out, thus they take their place in the map-object hall of fame  |
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