Sorry I am a one woman man.

ewm... maybe it helps if you take the look from the perspective of god onto humankind. what is god's intention if he says "do not have sex during periode" or "don't eat the meat of a pic". further see it securalised from our perspective, also out from historical facts (what was the reason for us (not God) to make rulez like stoning) and also do ALWAYS see the absolutly free choice you have in what you are doing or not (also belongs to God's intentions).
It's by far not as dramatic how you intend to tell us. There is so much false information and is absolutly non neutral.

You know I am a scientist but I do also believe in Jesus Christ. I never found one fact that belief and science is something unfitting. It's rather the opposite. It's all about finding truth and if it's not ..so be it. Time and engagement will tell and I'm optimistic. Just watch and learn my friend. There are alsways those who shout around... don't take them as measure.

lol
itd be nice to pick and choose thea parts of the religion you like
ok ill take 100 vigins the garden of eden and the caste system with LITE 10 commandments

Well, this is absolutely wrong. Religion was the basis for everything concerning culture and education for centuries in Europe. Without monasteries we would e.g. still be cutting lines in trees to communicate. Thanks to the monks' work we've got books and finally the technology to print books was invented. Without books and libraries and people who learned to read - in the first instance they were ecclesiastics - there would never have been a need to print books. And what would have become of our culture without books - I don't have to point that out.

Sure, we can't say if religion still affects progress. But as we can't say, we are not able to tell if religion slows us down or still inspires us.

Further there might be people who don't need religion to know what's right or wrong. But there are a lot of people who can't tell that. And what's wrong with having a religion which tells them not to kill?
For hundreds of years people didn't know about law but they knew the commandments - and social life worked thanks to their religion.
Today lots of people don't see a sense in their lifes. At least a major part of them finds this sense again in religion.
Even if religion might not inspire science anymore in the way it did in the past it still has great and good influence on social life if it is not abused.

Uhm... just read what I have written.
If you would have read it there would be no way in which it could come to your mind that I might think the monks printed books.
Well... just read it again.

Further: "dark ages" is not the appropriate term when talking about the Middle Ages.
In this context it only reflects your personal line of argumentation.

Your facts are right but the knowledge of the historic background is missing and you haven't really read - or maybe just not understood - what I have written.

Do yourself a favour and read a good scientific book about the Middle Ages and please no wiki-crap already named "Dark Ages". If you want to have facts you need the right sources. Wikipedia - as nice as the idea behind it might be - is in the majority of cases simply inadequate and scientifically regarded useless.

And one last time: Don't mess with historians.
Try to learn to appreciate the progress religion made possible around the world. Just because you have your (understandable) problems with it, history isn't changed.
And as I've already said: which effect religion has now or might have in the future on progress can't be told today.

My reading is not grate Pluse I was in a herry when I typed it.

your right.

I have read it fully.

I dont have time to go back to school but I aprisate your candor Wiki crap is crap I here bush has his interns check it evey haff hour to make shere it only saiys good things about him. I thot you said my facts where good I am confused?

I do respect religon the problom is its used to justify harible acts and blind people to the realitty.
What about the crsades and the other wars? The killing of the knights timplars. All the torcher systoms mades. very littal documenttaton of the any thing. The mass poverty and indesentcy.

The problom is that that religon has a long long history of being abused. This brings me to a sort stoiy: 



One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

The sickness that came to be like The plag, Lepercy, small pocks, and many more. the pleg killed of 1/3ed of the population be for they did some looking and relised that chageing the watter in the baths is a good idea and to stop drinking it pluse it was not a good idea to thow your shit out the window if academa had any say most of those deaths would have ben prevented. The smell of rotting flesh was every whare. - consittering even the romions had sewage systoms why did the kings of the dark ages use it?

Childron how showed a devlapmental defect where thorn of clifs. The Airbse where very about deeling with some one with a disadvantege.

Panic, death and despair followed the abandonment of farms and towns. Wrote William of Dene, a monk of Rochester in Kent, England, Men and women carried their own children on their shoulders to the church and threw them into a common pit. From these pits such an appalling stench was given off that scarcely anyone dared to walk beside the cemeteries, so marked a deficiency of labors and workmen that more than a third of the land in the whole realm was left to."

So bad was the "Black Death," the Great Fire of London in I 666 can be viewed as a blessing in disguise. Though it killed thousands of people, the holocaust also consumed garbage, muck and black rats, effectively ending the plague.


 

You seem not to have understood my story. Some things do what they do becose of the way thay are not becoce of chose. To prevent their behaviors you must take the tools away that enables them. It is a clear pattern of behaver  that will be repeated over and over like it has for thousands of years. Its Humans thats need to movie on.

True, but those governments that don't work are overtone at some point religions has never be rethought.

Well than why is it over history at lest half or more wars are over religions imagine if the arbos and isralis did not have a religon. Open minded I bet you voted for bush... My mind is opined I just don't bleave in Santa.