c. Thats god with out saying. I don't know what you are referring t I have lost the origins of this point.

2. Thats way I say some.

3. Lost the point.

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From Quote, Well it being a church and all and all the history books I have read say is was Crichton and this is the 1st time I have heard any kind of doubt about tham being Crichton.

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Well if God was to prates what he perches.  The bible is a very bloodthirsty book. and if most people in this grate contery of ours where forgive full our jails mite ashly reabilate people .

agreed. But some arnt evin good people many think its just about going to church  I fear it mite be most.

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LoL

If we did not have it I promise you this conteroy would go in to the dark ages so fast it would make your bible spin. I mean with people like pres Bush in this world how call them selves Conservative but nothing of what they do is what makes a conservative a conservative. conservative = conserve. They would warp things so in to a twisted mess.

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I was not ignoring you I just replayed to how ever replayed last because replaying take so darn long lol.

2. Merak is a corporation even know they are defined as a person they do not have a hart.

3. LOL I could make this a full time job.

Not true I am a cerintion if I like it or now and I go to church ones in a blue moon some church some what get it.

From Quote: I think they thot whey where as much as the conservative part buleave that they can abuse the creation community as much as thay wont to get votes.

Well maybe ones of these you will take of the bear goggles. That make every body look like their only motivation is to do good... Crupt positions lives for people like you. This is the true world we live in.

Meany people in the bible belt  are not all that knowledgeable about the bible.

Meany people to day are being lied to again by their religious leaders Jews/Cerictions/Muslims.

I for one cant call whats going on to day creation ether.

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I have a fogy understanding of the bible anuff to know its a relay bloody book with lots of hummer that was ration for a nether time its clear how ever made it did not intend for it to be any where as influentials as it is now. 

It may surprise you that I just resonantly took a introductory class on the book with my paster. My church http://www.stmarks.net/. From the class with the help of the paster I found how condory dictory the book is.

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agreed. - It will also surprise you that my dance instructor is going to seminary and is going to work as a missionary in Africa wile she is trained.

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Thar should not be a balents they should leave each other alone.   

To make a quick rebuttal about ewm90, why can't you type correctly?  If you have a medical problem or something that is one thing but if you want to try to make a point across you should try to type it correctly so the people you are talking too knows what you are saying.  But back too the discussion at hand, I have studied a little about Christianity and a few other religions in my spare time and taken a few classes in ethics from each individual religion and you know what you find out if you look into just about any religion such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism?  They all have a central theme for what to do which is quoted from the Bible "Love thy neighbor as thyself".  O, and ewm90 if you think the Bible is too bloodthirsty you should go read it, forget trying to get in a class or something, if you really want to learn about a topic you know very little about you should just slowly read it, make notes, and find what it means too you because the Bible was not made to make everyone think a specific way.  The Bible was created on individual accounts compiled into one book and its purpose is to spread a state of being not a "religion" in a sense because the Bible is cryptic in many areas and different people interpret it in different ways but if you read the whole book and understand it than you will have a better understanding of not just Christianity but life as well.  To follow "Christianity" there is not one path that leads to God, there are many smaller paths because people are different and unique.  I'm not even a Christian; I'm agnostic, I have my values and I do know there is a God out there wherever there is but I don't know what God is.  But I also do not go to church that often but I try to live by my code of ethics, which somehow almost exactly coincide with the 10 commandments...  One other thing ewm90, what you stated in your last post doesn't make much sense because you first say that the religious leaders lie too you and everyone else but you go to a class led by a pastor, and religious leaders gain nothing for lying too you, maybe a little money but they don't gain anymore power if they lie too you, what you should be concerned about are people in politics, they know how to lie and they do all the time and when they give you a smile you should watch your back because that smile is created with teeth of knives.  If you want to find something that is bloodthirsty look into politics.

Ya, but it also helps to articulate what you say, but yes the Bible is a little gruesome in a few areas but if you understand the whole concept of it you know the blood and stuff is just what happened, not what it wants everyone to do; and there aren't really any jokes in it.  If you find a sultry joke in it please let me know.

So what is this all about please?
I've been watching this discussion for several days now, not to say from its beginning. Guys, you're arguing about religion which leads to what?

Well, ewm, if you regard religion as a curse and the Bible as a book written by bloodthirsty freaks, hardly anyone - presuming he or she is just tolerant enough - would try to prevent you from doing so.
But in the moment you let others know your thoughts you have to expect comments on that.

Now this is mine:
In the first instance religion is nothing to discuss about. Morals are. If you (ewm) want to tell us, you wanted to discuss the last mentioned, I suggest you try to find an explanation for everything posted here before not forgetting the title of this topic. Jesus is not morals. Jesus is religion.

If you tell us, ewm, the Bible is full of jokes but you can't remember even one of them and, however, times were so different from now that we wouldn't understand these jokes anyway, how serious do you think you can be taken?

If you want to wage a war against the Bible or any religion do it at home with your doors and windows shut and locked. But please stop that here!
 
It's insulting, unrespectful and an absolute waste of time.
If someone is a true believer you won't ever stop her or him from being which leads to one point: There is absolutely no sense in you arguing about religion or believs. If you want to discuss morals, please do so - but keep Jesus (or what religious figure ever) out of it. Please.

And a last note: Christians do not try to emulate Christ. Christians share the values, the morals Jesus lived. The Christian religion - at least in Europe - is never about becoming like God, it is about God revealing himself to us. So Christianity per se - fanatics, freaks and some cruel historic episodes aside - is far away from any claim of superiority and domination. Christianity is not about supplanting others. Christianity is about community with God and nothing more or less.

Thanks for reading.

I see you didn't really get my point. Whatever. What has Vista to do with it anyway?
Uhm, forget about it..

If your questioning the sanity of some people in the US and the way religion is abused there I fully agree with you.

Forget the placeholder post...


No, I meant that I wasn't sure who's post you were addressing.


*sigh*

You KNOW what I mean, ewm...

Just because Merck is a corporation doesn't excuse a money-making ploy that could put children at risk!


Indeed.  But you didn't actually address my point.

Now be kind and do so.



I'm not sure what this was referring to.  If it's referring to the same thing as the previous quote, than it still didn't touch on my point.


Umm, if you count that as "abuse", than every single person who appeals to any group for votes is an abuser.

Unfortunately, that means that every politician, political activist, every interest gruop, and every person even remotely involved with politics is guilty of abusing as well.

And that just doesn't fly.


I'm sorry, but that made little sense, and none whatsoever if taken with the point that it's supposedly addressing.

Perhaps if you clarify what you mean I'll be able to reply.

"Bear goggles"??




Ironic, isn't it?

However, of no relevance to any point we're discussing.


Indeed they are.

Does that mean that every "religious leader" is a liar?

No.


Please clarify what you mean.


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Is it contradictory?

Where?

If you would be kind enough to show me where you believe it to be contradictory, than I can show you what my opinion is on it.

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To be perfectly honest, I'm more surprised that you're taking dance.

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That is a naïve opinion.

Quite simply, they can't.

As long as people complain about public displays of faith/religion (which is protected under the constitution) by saying that it violates the separation of church and state, than they can never "leave each other alone".

However, if people simply tolerated other's displays instead of making a fuss, that I suppose they could actually co-exist in peace.



I'm interested in knowing exactly how your pastor thinks a person can enter heaven.

You can tell me his opinion on that, can't you?


The bible never puts down criteria for us to kill people.

That's God's job.  He created us, so it only follows that he can destroy us as well.


I suppose I agree.  Many people have used religion for there own ends in the past and continue to do it today.

That's my I don't practice religion.

What I have is faith.  It's not about me, it's about Him.


ewm, I'm interested in hearing your opinion on the Bible verse John 3:16.  You will be kind enough to oblige me in this, won't you?


May He bless you as well.


~Red