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« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2004, 09:38:55 AM » |
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I know what you mean-> instant hit beam weapons. In one TNG Episode about the life of some young grasshoppers onbord the Enterprise. On of them is has duty on the bridge and they practice aiming (and he is rather slow at that)-> they still aim manually and if a ship travels through space on cond. green they have no shields and the like raised and the crew is unprepared for an attack. Suprise suprise! Even if they are fast reacting it still takes some time to aim-> maybe long enough to cloack again? Maybe not. How knows? We could discuss this endless, it's the same like arguing wich browser is the best one or wich OS.
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« Reply #76 on: November 23, 2004, 09:50:10 AM » |
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The Excelsior Enterprise subtype has a system where when a cloaked ship fires at it, it throws the shields up, and it automatically calculates where the fire came from and fires some Phaser bursts from the source.
I'm not sure if they implemented that for the present ships but according to how they always getting shot up in the shows, prolly not. Also how Enterprise E fought the Scimitar, of course computers should be able to calculate where the fire came from and return fire automatically, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting movie would it?
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« Reply #77 on: November 23, 2004, 12:48:43 PM » |
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The whole instant hit beam weapons stuff is not good for a motion picture, but more realistic. Hrmpf. Well, so be it the BoP is the truck of the Klingon Empire and transports all unnecessary stuff like... tribles or Saurian Brandy, or Worf's son.
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« Reply #78 on: November 23, 2004, 08:08:36 PM » |
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Yeah I think for dramaturgic reasons you can't have auto-targeting computers, because then there wouldn't be anything interesting to watch. ("Captain to the bridge! We've been fired upon, but actually the computer already blew everybody up oh well never mind go back to reading your book.")
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« Reply #79 on: November 23, 2004, 09:37:02 PM » |
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Yeah I know it's true, but in FO this auto-target thing couldn't do much damage, good idea for feds I think.
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« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2004, 10:55:24 PM » |
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Well the overwhelming majority seems to say that the Bop of almost any realistic size would loose to a Warbird. and that the only chance that a ship may have is if it had a really good captain, and a really stupid romulan one, which with the screening process probably put in place by the Tal shiar that wouldn't happen, so my vote goes for the Warbird woot. As for the Bop and her sister minsculated sized ships vs. a x ship on x date now that is another story  |
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« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2004, 08:14:34 AM » |
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A D'tai has a good chance, the rest don't.
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« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2004, 08:53:36 PM » |
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well when ever i used to play Bc i killed warbirds with no hastle as a bop the way i see it is if u were a kvort it might be able to keeping behind and low and cloaking every few mins or so always behind teh warbird it could work remember photons are very powerfull especially klingon ones as for Bop vs sabre = bop wins evertime its heracy to suggest otherwise i love the sabre but no way in hell scenario Bop decloaks on unsuspecting sabre aims photons at sabre warp core by the time shields are up its over or u could be sneaky and use changs bop  |
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« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2004, 08:56:40 PM » |
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A K'vort has little chance vs a D'Deridex or a Norexan because they both DO have aft firing weapons.
A BoP vs Saber duel is the same, Saber has more weapons and they are more powerful. Also the advantage of firing from behind and the sides, although a cloak attack may work, chances are it wouldn't destroy the Saber.
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« Reply #84 on: November 28, 2004, 10:58:18 PM » |
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however it would do alot and probally cripple them
as for the dderidex it could win all you gota do is stay below it romulans arent famous for good firing archs
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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2004, 04:35:51 AM » |
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I'm going to guess that the sheer mass of a Warbird would make it invulnerable to a BoP. I think you'd melt the weapons systems before you could destroy enough metal on a Warbird, assuming its shields were down, which they won't be, and I have a VERY hard time believing that anything you can put on a little 60 meter ship can penetrate the shields (crappy romulan variety that they are) on an 800m+ battleship.
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« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2004, 04:50:06 AM » |
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well see thats the thing how do you know think of it this way voyager vs cube who won same thing can happen with a bop
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« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2004, 05:56:54 AM » |
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Voyager vs a Cube is a fluke. It's a show thats how she wins every Borg battle.
As for the BoP vs D'deridex, the warbirds shields wouldn't drop below 80 percent. With the warbirds cloak she could get into a good position and 1 alpha strike and it's over.
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« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2004, 05:54:43 PM » |
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hahaha Voyager reference ... yeah that show was probably the most craptacular of all the star treks when trying to do any tactical space battles. They could have learned a lot from DS9. The amazing thing is Janeway would always wait till shields were gone and hull breaches all over the place, warp core breach imminent etc. and then somehow kill all 20 cubes with a single torpedo or something. Very very dumb
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« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2004, 09:58:26 PM » |
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DS9 was a fluke also. The Defiant class itself is an uber ship that shouldn't have happened. Although they did show a few episodes where it realistically had some real fights with a few bugships, later on it become invinsible.
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