Salaam!

Does a warbird have aft weapons? If so then I would assume no, but if he has no aft weapons, then ATTACK!!! I think it takes some time to target a ship with the tractor beam, so decloak fire cloak, and so on.

Klingons don't have phasers or phaser cannons. And a little ship that's what, 40 to 60 meters long? isn't going to stand a chance against anything bigger than a Danube runabout.

But yeah the Norexans were developed because of the demonstrated weakness of the D'deridex's shields in the Dominion war. And the Enterprise - E lasted so long against the Scimitar for a few reasons: it's a Sovereign, the most powerful ship built in the Alpha Quadrant, and it's Picard's ship. Do you really expect it to just up and explode? hahahaha

Well I just don't see a bop winning on its own with the limited recources it has at its disposal, but I do like the whole ramming idea, It seems like the Klingons might do something just that desprate, and the right place would sure cause a lot of damage to a Derdrix. other than that even accounting for no sign of an aft weapons array and no manuverbility compared to the small bop the Warbird still has a massive firepower and shieldign advantage over the Bop. so I am left to wonder a comparison between a dominon bug and a bop as this might help us to see how the bop would do considering we already know how a fighter would do.

Fullphaser

A Saber would most definately destroy a BoP, and probably a B'rel. K'vort is another story.

Heh well if we want to really analyze this, consider that the Saber is firing a phaser beam, which probably isn't going to miss, especially considering the advanced sensor capabilities of a starfleet vessel. The BoP on the other hand has older electronics, or at least less impressive targeting capabilities, and can likely be fooled by the most advanced ECM, making it harder to hit the Saber, which in any case will be maneuvering rapidly against phased disruptors, which travel slowly and tend to miss small targets.

On the other hand the BoP has cloak and likely the element of surprise. In my opinion if the Klingon commander doesn't sufficiently damage the impulse engines and/or the phaser bank on his first pass he's dead.

The K'Vort would still be vulnerable to torpedo strikes on its disruptors, shields or not. I know it looks cool to have them hanging off the wings like that, but it's a really dumb place to put something so important.

hmm..... Everytime i read this thread, i read "no way a BoP will surely loose..." and so on. If this is true why the f*ck is the BoP still in use? Hmm. Ah I know it's the postal machine of the Klingon army, delivering the Post to the Battle-Front or the Klingons use the BoP to fly to the next fly-Through-Restaurant like Space Donalds or the like.

Another few thoughts:
- Warbirds most likely have rear firing disruptors. I seen them having a disruptor array at the very bottom of their hull. However, a few disruptor shots won't break through the shields of even a BoP very quickly, else the Duras Sisters's BoP would have been in more trouble against a Galaxy Class, even with them having no effective shield power and all.
- So it's very likely that the BoP can maneuver around enough to avoid the most heavy weapons fire, i.e. the Plasma Cannons and Pulse Disruptors. The little Klink could probably pour quite a lot of firepower into the D'deridex's shields before getting hit too often.
- This won't do him any good, though, as the Warbird's shields are simply too strong for him to break through. The BoP's shields, on the other hand, will eventually lose to the vastly superior firepower of a ship ten times it's size.

- BTW, would somebody please explain to me the difference between a Bird of Prey and a B'rel? I only know of two types of Klingon Birds of Prey. Small and Large.

About the BoP vs. aber thing:
Much the same as before, but less obvious. Saber has much more advanced technology and likely more firepower. Saber has better shields and better firing arcs. So eventually the Saber would win, except if the Klingons score a critical hit (destroy a warp nacelle, the torp launcher, the bridge, etc.)

Were this DS9, though, I wouldn't be surprised if a BoP destroyed a Saber in one disruptor salvo, though. I've seen weirder things.