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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2004, 04:13:21 PM » |
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be cuss thats haw jeen rodinbary made the ferst ship like that. so thay all have to look like it so thay will be easy to tell thay are a fetreashon ship. just like all kingons have some thing incomin thare culer and sapes in thare desine.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2004, 04:17:08 PM » |
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hm, that's a good question as far as i know it's because warp nacells have some radiation and therefore they are usually built "outside" the ship to avoid radiation within the sections where people usually work and live. those fractions (for example the ferengi  ) who don't use external warp nacells are either immune to the radiation or just risk the health of their crew to save money |
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2004, 04:24:48 PM » |
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i stoped tring to figer out st after enterprise came out. if you do triy to you will eand up in a sicehospital riting on the walls. and drooling.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2004, 05:42:06 PM » |
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Enterprise has that effect.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2004, 12:58:21 AM » |
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i stoped tring to figer out st after enterprise came out. if you do triy to you will eand up in a sicehospital riting on the walls. and drooling. like capt. benjamin sisqo in DS9  ... talkin to prophets... writin his own life.... yea.. sure  i think optec is right about that... and i think that the later ships got a better protection against the radiation, so that they dont need to build them outside... as for romulans, they dont even use warpnacelles... they got their quantumsingularity... i think the ferengi usin the same... cause its kinda same ship-design i mean.. look at the warbird and the marauder... |
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2004, 03:11:47 AM » |
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Lets kill everyone who is in Enterprise and remake the show to where we are back in the 24th century and it has picard flying around with the E-E.
Yes radiation would be bad so Optecs reply makes sense, another reason DS9 don't make sense.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2004, 11:47:06 AM » |
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WHAT ABOUT THE DEFIANT DAMNIT.. Obviously there is no significant danger, its merely design.. gene roddenberry WANTED all fed ships to have necells sticking out ><.
Anywho, Warbirds still have warp drive.. a warp core generates energy, quantum sigularity can still produce enough energy for it..
Enterprise IS killing others.. remember the episode when they were all stuck in the warp necells? *forgets why, but yeah, obviously not too much radiation..
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2004, 01:26:01 PM » |
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Remember that Episode? Sure I do.
But:
The warp drive was shutdown and they were hiding from some kind of ion storm.
The maintenance tunnel within the nacelles was the only place on the ship that was protected well enough against the radiation from the storm.
While they were "hiding", several intruders came onto the ship and tried to reactivate the warp drive. It was made clear that, if they had succeeded, all the people withing the nacelles would have died.
So that episode is no argument. And yes, in the 60s there were several ideas of spaceship design (e.g. those of Eugen Sänger) that included propulsion system in nacelles to protect the crew from radiation. That idea led to the ship design in TOS.
Now, if ships from TNG and so on do not follow the idea, then it's the developer's fault. Maybe they have an explanation for it, but from an objective point of view it seems simply wrong.
Explanation for alien vessels could be: Different method to generate subspace fields (warp fields).
Explanation for defiant could be: Improved radiation shielding, just as the shuttles seem to have (nacelles much closer to crew).
Noone knows for sure...
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2004, 01:57:32 PM » |
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but remiber the defint was slow what was it like warp 8 was its max. and the romulans and kingons both keep thare worp eangens wwhay from the mane body of the ship.
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2004, 11:33:05 PM » |
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I see changeling, i havent watched that episode in a long time Perhaps it's antimatter radiation, in which case it wouldnt be a threat to the romulans because they use artificial singularities. Blah. As we said in chat, we cant make sure because we dont know all the facts >< |
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2004, 10:42:38 PM » |
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The radiation idea about nacelles is total bull. Radiation only dissipates by ionising matter. No matter in vacuum, so radiation continues forever, essentially.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2004, 11:53:57 PM » |
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@volume why cant i explain everything? because i am not gene rodddenberry
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