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So, where do you all stand in regards to the gathering storm in South America?

no where. We're not privy to the internal machinations that are taking place. All we see is a superficial reportage as presented by the media - with each channel portraying the story a little differently based on the foreign policy of its country in regards to the situation at hand.
The fact that you have to post "Columbia vs CHAVEZ" instead of Venezuela says more than enough.

Okay, perhaps the Columbian Government vs Chavez would be a more accurate title.  However, it's also to unwieldy to display properly, and thus I shortened it. 

You assume that a bias lies behind the title I chose, but you failed to consider more practical concerns.

well, personally, I think that this whole thing is staged by the communists [hereby going to be referred to as Pinko's or Reds], and is an effort to undermine the American people's belief in the effectiveness and competence of the government.  plus, the Reds also want us to believe that the US would be going into S. America next so as to weaken our already shaky support of the Iraq War, so as to further their commie agenda as to reinvade the middle east while we are busy in S. America.  Chavez is actually a cardboard cutout that is animatronic by Pinko scientists (ha) and they have been planing this for years as to get the vast right forests to get a good monopoly on oxygen production before we can turn over to safer fuels and those Godless Pinko's will sell us back our oxygen at quadruple the price of normal oxygen to drive the economy into the ground the cake is a lie the cake is a lie the cake is a lie the cake is a lie



and that is where I stand.

I swear you copied that from the original AP report!

Well colaba and the usa are f*%k budys so if chives triyed eny thing it whould be "Iraq 2 the conquest of Venezuela" terning the few undisded non columben soath amarican/central american people off.

I shere holp chives has a noth brains in his head to relise the usa will not stand buy wile one of ower few alice left fran nafta/cafta get mad at us.



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whats going on in south america? im clueless XD

Lumpy, your post explains your contributions to the Hoedown. More need not be said.
Btw, whatever you're saying about the Pinkos, isn't that already being done by the other Reds - namely the Republicans?! lol

thanks for the reminder ewm, i forgot to update that

Well, babelfish couldn't translate the parts of this comment that seem to be in a foreign language, but I think I get the essence of what you're saying.

Chavez seems to fancy himself some sort of modern Che Guevara/politician crossbreed.  He flaunts his diplomatic stances, while at the same time backing rebels within the country he supposedly was helping establish "peace".  He's perhaps even less trustworthy than our own government.

Um doesn't that pretty much sum up US foreign policy too.  :pinch:

Hey, at least they didn't fund the Taliban who turned around and attacked them back =/.

Well, so far as we know none of the rebel groups he funds have betrayed him.  Of course, all that means is that he has better taste in rebel groups than we do.

And your takes on US screw ups mean what in regards to Chavez?
Amazing why people feel compelled to bitch about something or the other when the person they, for reasons known not even to them, detest come out on top.

If I really wanted to whine, I'd complain about your illegible formating.  :P

Anyway, I fail to see a clear point brought forth in the previous statement.  If you could clarify, that would be appreciated.

There, whine-free enough?

To rephrase -
Why you people keep bitching about Chavez is beyond surreal!
Try to discuss things like why over half the US population is compelled to pay taxes first, and get to cover themselves with proper medical insurance only in the event of a windfall. (seems we all need well paved roads when we keel over with untreated Cardiac disease)
Try discussing why manufacturing jobs are going overseas, every top financial institution here on Wall Street warn that the US is IN a recession, and yet we have a red neck Pres who days that everything is peachy.
Try to discuss why oil hits $107 when there is no supply deficit and no real demonstrated demand increase - outside speculation on oil futures.
Try to discuss why wire tapping, and mad Evangicals sending children to Jesus camp are part of a society that calls itself democratic.

Secondly, comparing Columbian rebels to Afghanistan is an analogy one can only have gleaned from as ridiculous and egocentrically confined a source as FOX News.

Bottom line - let's get our own house in order before trying to judge other countries and their leaders, and at least think before raising ridiculously irrelevant analogies with events half a world away which don't even remotely resemble the situation in South America.

I hope this was clear enough. do let us know if you require more lucidity.

I think I mostly agree with you on this one Serpicus  :D ... although it is always hard to not judge other countries and leaders, when they judge "us"....but maybe that judgment is deserved  :whistling:

U.S.A political system needs a revision (executive is too strong, for one)

I agree too,

But talk is talk and actions are actions. You may say to your self I am only one man or woman and I cant do eany thing about it thats not true.

Thare is a key to geting to a point in ones life whare one can live his or her dreams and that is some thing that most people dont have accese too. Most people live a live of cynicism and resignation and live in to a all most cretin further.

Thare is a way to learn to brack past circumstance and live the life you love.

If you have bean wondering whay I have Landmark Education in my signature is because I beleve deeply in what they teach. Landmark Education has made a class called the Landmark Forum witch is a class made of finding or reserch on "powerful people", the cores is very powerful I have yet to see some one come out of it hows view of life has not bean altered completely I recaomed eany and all people take this class this class from poeple how are in sub saharan africa to people how run the US goverment.

If you wont to live your what you speek of take the Landmark forum.

You could be powerfull anoff to alter the relationship of south and cereal american to the US of A. Yes you can!

I, as a single person most likely will not be able to change things for the better; however, I have no intention of leaving it any worse off then the sorry state I found it in. that's all i can or anyone else can promise. though, once in a while a good person in the right place at the right time can make an impresion for good or for worse. you just have to trust said person to do the right thing when that time comes. JMHO

What if martin loather king said that.

But you are right that you as you are now cant do much with out seeing your own power.

Landmark Education company that is detected to helping people change the tunnel vision that most people see the world. Every person no matter there back round has the ability to alter life for man kind. The only people Landmark education dose not take are those how have dehabilitating mental illness.

Be for taking the Landmark Forum I was domed to live a almost sermon life. The Landmark Forum gave me the ability to see that ability to change that and to offer it to others.

Be for the Landmark Forum I was very different person I have a jerk with out know it to throws I loved killing of any hope for possibilities or more. Example, My mom is a person how has a alcoholic problem and I saw her as a alcoholic witch for me mint the level of trust I gave her was small and we often had verbal fits. After the Landmark Forum I got my mother back! I am all most moved to tears thinking about it.

By getting a relation ship with my mom give the the ability not to be a victim of a scission and to focus my energy on helping others.

there’s a second part of my little speech i left out on purpose. Just wanted to see if anyone other than me would point it out. should i just come out and say it? or wait to see if anyone can guess what i'm thinking?

Why not just say it what are you scared of?

ok, fine :sweatdrop:

as i said before, a single person usually can't change the world; however, a small group of people can change their backyard (figuratively speaking), if groups of people improve their backyards -- slowly the world can change. most likely such wide-ranging effects will not start to bear fruit until sometime after our own lifetimes have come and gone. the problem here in lies with the fact most people won't bother making said efforts because they can't see those changes with their own eyes. most people seem to lack foresight i guess.

In a small group Therese all most always a leader witch do you chose to be a yeas man or a leader?

The resin most people wont is because they are not inspired to work and thats what a leader dose inspires and giddies others.

Nelson Manuela saw this and changed the world and he is not different from you! He made the chose to inspire others.

i'm not really a leader type. i'm more like the speech-writer/idea-man type. logic and thought, but not action... er, usually.

would you like to be you could of if not just use what you lean you live the life of your dreams.

i also lack ambition. and my life is quite pleasant atm.

At the end of your life will you be compleet to tell your self I live my life small and safe. Is that all you wont?... You could relay make a difrants.

Infact I know you do other wise you would not be posting here. Its not comfert you are feeling its a lack of power, If you tasted it you would wont more and with what the Landmark Forum gives you could learn some thing most people in power do not get responsabilaty, integraty, enrolement and haw to inspier others.

Liveing small and safe is comfterbule its allso small and ingsanifact, You where given life you it dont wast it life its to perishes and rare.

You cant tell me if you could feed a sarving person you whould not do so becose it reqieres efert. Well what if I told you you could feed that person and meny more with littal to no efert. Its true its the same power that Muhotma Mohodes Gondi use to help inpower his people.

Look how many people pick up an AK47 and waste their lives and ours trying to 'make a difference', do they succeed? No, they just dig themselves a deeper hole.

If everyone was a leader, we'd argue even more, and you encouraging him to be a leader is making him a follower, if you catch my logic. I'm personally happy being small and safe, but if my small and safe is threatened so help me god I will make a difference. And I think he feels similar.

Everyone has ambition, and everyone leads in a different way, with 6 Billion plus individuals on this Earth, how many names do you know? How many have made a difference?

Now, an easy way to help children.

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Chavez is a dumb monkey, a socialist dictator wannabe, people like him believes that civil liberties and rights are a tool of the "evil burgueois class" to dominate the "people", its just another Castro, another Allende, the only difference is that he have oil money to keep his economic reforms going, without it the country would already crashed.

The conflict happened between ECUADOR and COLOMBIA....... Chavez just got in the middle without reason.

And lets not forget that the FARC members that were killed in the colombian strike were known killers and kidnappers.

I say go president Uribe!  :thumbsup:

ak47? what? I don't understand?


Just because you are a leader dose not mean you must lead. You could not be frothier from the truth, you don't understand Landmark. Landmark helps people view life throw a new lends.

If one is living small how are you going to pay for all thaws games and computers to run them I am guessing you like?

and everyone leads in a different way This I agree but relay do you think buy playing that game your relay going to do much maybe feed them for a day or 2 what if you could feed them for a life time? Haw much do you care?

i'm practically a cripple... physically, and emotionally. i get disability benefits, that's how i can get games and all that other good stuff.

Now about my so called “content existence”. I’m happy with my life. No real complaints. I do see a need for reform (socal, political, etc.); however, I haven’t been able to figure out the proper method to bring about change. These things need to be carefully planned and considered, or else you could cause far more suffering and set back your agenda to far beyond the foul-line.

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and often times change comes hand-in-hand with bloodshed. even when planning didn't go near it. i'm not prepaired to fill the streets with blood just to make a few changes in the world that might not even materialize.

Well as long as you don't have emotional debilitating illness such as hardcore bipolar, or schizophrenia or other merger mental illness Landmark can and will help you despite disabilities.

Before going in to in to Landmark I was dependent on my parents for every thing thats changing in a manger way now.

What you are missing is the mind set, what I get from you is that you are smart which can be a cruses the smarter you are the more you can find ways to justify any subconches feeling.

The only bad decision is indecision.

well think of a world where bloodshed was rare on nonexistent. Its posable but resignation and cenasisom will not get it.

nor will acting hastily, and/or without forethought.

"The only bad decision is indecision."
Debate is good... so when does argument and contemplation become indecision, Ewm?

Well some times quick action is called for, you can ether be come resined or you can take a risk and deal with what may come.


I not sheer I have not had that problem with talking about Landmark yet.

that was a general statement. not strictly landmark

O sorry I miss read.

The reason I think the only bad decision is indention, is because if you don't make a choose you may not as wall have had one. Even if the chose you have made has a bad out come you still had a out come.

Most people in life think second guess them selves which is haw humans where designed, We all so where designed to seek out sex with out for thought. If you relay think about it we lean from our failures to not have them is to live in bad scared not to get up be cause you mite fall by mistake and not to live life.

We seek out sex with forethought actually; we want compatable/new genes as expressed by pheremones (arm pits/groin per women) ... VNO is still kinda active in that sense.
Just nit-picking  :D

I dont know about you when I see a atrative woman and think maby I should get terned on I just get terned on. Thinking has littal to do with it.

How true Ewm  :lol:: I was thinking more about sex, rather than simple "wow-eee, look at that"  :whistling:

You should call Landmark and ask what they can do for you.

Why, whaddidido?

To get acess to new podabulatiys like:

- family /frinds be come closer reconect with people you remimber fondly and for a new relationship.

- Your life reches new levals or sucses.

- Lean things about your self you dont know.

- Become powerfule get new leavales of respect and admration.

- ern the mony you wont some day now.

- over come circunstances you never thot posabule.

- Make a difrents in a eara that you feel personally about.

- fell less stress fell less regrate.

one person said he wonted to get a brake thow in his galf game he got that and so much. You are smart and dermaticly wont to get past circunstances as you told me thats posabule and so so much more.

eny thing you wont in life is avlibale with your pertisapation in the Landmark forum. no joke!

waiting for the right time and/or action is not inaction. taking the right action at the wrong time could be worse than not acting at all.

Thats the comen thinking Lets look at what is cosed:

1) people dont step up people talk about probloms and think to them seves we need a leader its to risky to take on some thing that big.

2) People are being abused and nuglected. People are aware of the probloms and condme them saying if only some one whould do some thing.

Change starts with one person how can look past ther feers and make things happen and thats you, me, every one can be a leader. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation.

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Well what action is whating? what action are you taking when you are whating?

risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation.

I am not making you wrong I am just ponting out whats realy happening her its just: risk is a justification of sinasem and
resignation.

Thare are things in this world that cant get much worse this is the time and you and I and the people.

that is so oversimplified i'd laugh if it wasn't so dangerous.
Can you see all the possibilities positive & negative, from a point after success and failure?
Can you imagine the future unwinding before you in your minds eye, and the consequences there of?
I’m not willing to commit to something that could change everyone’s lives so drastically in the long-run or even in the short. Both are possible, however the former is more likely than the latter.
I can’t see such things at the moment, until I do I’ll sit back and wait, unless events force me into action more quickly than I anticipated. That’s all I’m going to say on this subject.

on a side note, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. there's a reason they say that.

I do it all the time Its not that dangers, For instants I sow the opportunity of offering what I got to other by posting her there was a risk doca cola and others may have misunderstood what I am saying and band me, people my have made fun of me, People could gang up on me but for me the pay off was worth the risk.

Yes I can see the problems that could stop me or even hurt me but for me "me" is not as important as "they" there is nothing better then to know you made a difference.

All the time I can get thew would, could be, but if I let it stop me what could be would be what could have bean.

Because you can see past your self thats what the Landmark forum helps you do, What more important "you" or 100 other people. For me the majority out ways the need of the one.

Most people sit back and wait there hole lives what for some magical change to happen. I will give you a secret sudsy after study has shown that almost away that never happens. You ether could to live on the edge or you choose to live in the easy charr. There was not question for me.

I am not relguse  B) Pulse the only reason there is a rode at all is because people made one. They can make a gate to to stop the traffic. Its up to you Easy charr or living on the edge?

Hmmmm... I see this taking a turn towards "A Brave New World"  :(

It cant be done with out the people in that world and time is runing out the probloms of this world could over come us unless we get some leaders NOW!

How is a leader: A human, With out merger mental illness Sicofena, Suver bipoler and so on.... Thats all it take!

ewm, no offense, but your "rhetoric" is starting to sound a lot like some of those cheesy peer pressure sayings from the Anti-Drug classes

Yes.... I know society looks bad Ewm, but we aren't going to collapse imediately, and I don't think people can be pressured to "become" leaders all of a sudden.  :sweatdrop: Perhaps if everyone was rather more vocal, things would get done, but I don't see that happening either because most people are apathetic... or at least think that their vote doesn't amount to much.  :crybaby:

No it dose not look bad or good is what it is. Define immediately? No of cores they can it must be a chose but to make that choose they need to know what the tools are to reach that leave of being.

Talk is no substitute for action. People can talk but if the people in power art lessening it will be a lot of wasted time. People how are in power are in power to get done what they wont not always what you wont.

I don't see people as apathetic at all infect most people are quite vocal and appended.

ones vote in the usa counts for one in a billion. Politics offers incremental progress with a few exceptions. The fewer leaders the fewer directions there is to go. We need more leaders in the world and by voting will not make more leaders.

217.8 million people are registered to vote in the U.S. I know you were trying to state that those votes are inconsequential, but I cannot agree. A voter = a leader. That is what democracy is about; and eventually I think it will become that everyone of voting age will vote in all affairs, not just in determining presidency... but in determining the next bill for whatnot. However, that  is impeded by people's apathy. Nobody wants to take the time to vote or to voice their opinion, and that is why Bush went to war, TWICE, and why nobody calls him out on his lies and the lies of his administration, excepting a choice few.

It almost seems as if you are arguing that we need a dictatorship by saying talk is not substitute for action. After all, if we had a simple oligarchy, we would have quite a few leaders making many decisions and getting whatever the heck they want done without discussing it with everybody else. To reach a consensus is to waste time, but I believe in this "wasted time" better decisions are actually made. As is often said, democracy is the worst form of government--except for all the others.

and if the rest voted do you think we would do more?

A voter is not leading any thing. A voter is just a mark on a paper.

And if this democracy there are so many people how need help and are not getting it why is that?


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A dictatorship ship WAW that came out of left field where did you get that? Because some one dose some thing that = a dictatorship? I am lost?

Yes we would have many leader making many desition and fixing problems in there communities instead of whiting and hoping them away. There is more to a country than government.

What do you think would have happened if Gondi said I will just vote the occupiers out....

I got that from this "Talk is no substitute for action. People can talk but if the people in power art lessening it will be a lot of wasted time."
I understand what you are saying Ewm (at least I think so), but if everyone WAS a leader, what exactly would that get you. My argument is that that would give you a system where everyone votes to determine everything, without actual head honchos. I'm not sure if you see my point. Gandhi could not vote the occupiers out, because there was no democracy. However, if what you are advocating turns out, can you imagine what would happen in the US? All the especially rabid evangelicists would take to the streets and rule as all... instead we have a bit of moderation as each one of them only counts as one vote. With more "true" leaders (an exagerration of what you were saying) there is the danger of representation being lost and a dictatorship being formed. I am by no means saying that your point of view is wrong, I am just suggesting that it could lead to something much worse than what is now in place.

Exactly so if you wont to get your idea done be come a leader.

Leaders have to know haw to follow directions you may lead one thing wile working under another. Just because you are a leader dose not mean you have to lead all the time.

I got that you think that bureaucratic systems are better then privet ones but leaders can be in both.

Yes I can productivity would go up maybe even double people would be happier heather and safer life would be better. Why would it have to be destabilizing I don't think that would happen. I think order would be increase not decrease in fact I know that would not happen.

By voting what are you leading?

By people leading meens they are increase reputation not decrease it  :blink:

Landmark education has bean around cents be for the 60s and they have seen extraordinary results thats why they do it if this was not true I can promise you they would not be-able to function.

Landmark only runs on reputation nothing eels.

[size=pt]thats sounds liek Commie talk right there buddy, or shoudl I say, Comrade?[/size]

Not at all lumpy,

Communism is a forum of government with is dictatorial in nattier and is about suppressing people and forcing them to have a set wage for there work.

Landmark is about in-powering people it has nothing to do with government and is about helping people to live fully.

I don't see the correlation I think you are making things up bob.