Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

It's CANON!

YouTube - Star Trek XI Teaser (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8)

Awesome. Relative to expectations that is.  ^-^

Umm... why are they building the Enteprirse by hand? :blink:

After watching that I found this o my dear green blooded god...

YouTube - Star Trek XI The Wrath Of Kirk ( Re cut fan trailer) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-u7m7BiX1JI&feature=related)

Has Kirk for got his meds?

reminds me of the *whole* AvP 2 movie - dark and dull

I'm afraid so... I really don't expect much from this movie... Abrams may be good at making action movies, but I somehow doubt he has even the slightest notion about what Star Trek is meant to be... :ermm:

EDIT: By the way, I cannot, for the life of me, see Karl Urban as McCoy, can you? I mean, I know they're supposed to be younger versions of the TOS characters, but he's not even American! I mean, some of their choices look OK (Bruce Geenwood actually looks something like Jeffrey Hunter and therefore might do a passable Christopher Pike), but why pick a New Zelander, who doesn't even look like DeForest Kelly, to play as a Southern American? How is that meant to make sense?

Didn't Roddenberry establish cannon that the enterprise WAS built on the ground? there is a picture floating around the net that shows the enterprise being built by afew machines as well.

Well I didn't know that, but the NX 02 Columbia was built (at least, when it neared completion anyway) in orbit... so I went with that...

But still, why have the got people standing on the hull and welding by hand? Please don't tell me our industry isn't going to change one bit in 250 years... :pinch:

Mabye it has, for all we know all the parts were replicated. There just putting the finishing touches on her. And we don't know if those are welding it. People from afew hundred years ago could not tell the difference between a torch from back then and a modern one thats puts things together. Mabye there are using something to put armor plating, or some kind of conductive material onto her.

welding by hand looks cooler then welding by machines. thats why - Star Trek finally reached it's final frontier:: generic Hollywood Cinema (even more than before)

Yea, the average Starfleet Captain will be one of the following:
The cool and smart average guy with good intentions
The even cooler guy with darkened sunglasses and a hang to make dark secrets and nasty plans
A girl with a uniform not much different to other peoples underwear

and of course they will wear big powning plasma guns instead of phasers
not to forget the new visible rocket-launcher-like missle packs on the vessels

If we are lucky we will get an "Alien versus Picard" film someday. Hurray!  :woot:

 :crybaby:

Worst thing is, Optec might actually be right... >:(

"Alien vs. Picard" is good;
I think Picard will win by quoting shakespeare all the time and therefore forcing the nimble alien mind do explode.

Picard, Patric Stuart is getting up their. Maybe the next movie will be Picard VS the arthritis.   :wheelchair:

Last I herd was if they casted him a gin that he should not have to stand to long in any situation let alone a action seen.

Well why not Sisko (if the writers can think of a clever way to bring him back from the Prophets) or Janeway vs Alien then? :lol:

Actually, though, last I heard, Shatner's still in pretty good shape for his age (and is still on TV in Boston Legal), which is nice...

Yeah, but Shatner's losing it.
did you read about how he reacted when he learned that he was left out of the movie.

Star Trek XI Teaser HD Trailer 480p (QuickTime) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/startrek/ST_TRL1_480p.mov)
Star Trek XI Teaser HD Trailer 720p (QuickTime) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/startrek/ST_TRL1_720p.mov)
Star Trek XI Teaser HD Trailer 1080p (QuickTime) (http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/startrek/ST_TRL1_1080p.mov)

that doesn't change the fact that the picture is still to dark

What kind of monitor are you using? Perhaps your settings are too dark?

they are a bit dark but I agree with Phlexor you may wont to check you graphic and monitor settings.

A handy thing that I did was run the THX tuner on my Star Wars DVDs. I also have a 19" WS LCD screen, so it was a matter of only adjusting the brightness to 20%.

The Trailer is dark overall, but not enough to not see detail.

Yeah, if MI:III was anything to go by, J.J. Abrams likes things dark and grim. Sometimes...  :ermm:

well after the debacle of a certain monster movie, that takes place during night in a city with no electricity, unhappy about all darker movies. that's all

Are we talking about Cloverfield by any chance?  :sweatdrop:

AvP 2

Don't both those movies suck? :thumbsup:

indeed they did, but the fact that Anderson *was* not directing AvP 2 led to false hope of a decent movie.

There wouldn't be even an iota of hope if the hopefuls see AvP 1.
The only things murdered at the end of that movie were the franchises.

The movie itself wasn't particularly bad, it just wasn't exactly the sequel type either.

However, SciFi channel could outdo AvP2 with one of their lame monster movies.  In fact, they probably already have.

Hmmm, I was told that AvP 2 was actually good... compared to the first AvP. Oh well  :(

Well, according to Wikipedia (the flim is actually called Aliens vs Predator 2: Requiem, BTW)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_vs._Predator:_Requiem

Whilst it did apparantly make a substantial profit at the box office, it was absolutely smashed by the critics (16% on Rotten Tomatoes). The original was smashed as well (22% on Rotten Tomatoes)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_vs._Predator_%28film%29

Someone used their Photoshop skills to create an image where you can see a bit more:

http://screenrant.com/images/enterprise-detail.html (http://screenrant.com/images/enterprise-detail.html)

The hull looks extremely thin  :blink:

I'm thinkin' it's made of some advanced 23rd centrury material that can handle a photon torpedo or two. Actually wait... generally a torpedo will go right through the ship if the shields are down. But, hey! I'm sure it's a nice engineering composite material or something!  :woot:

And remember, they can make "transparent" aluminium in the 23rd century which they couldn't make in the 1980s but which we... sort of, figured out how to do by late 2007.  :ermm:

Well actually, in Star Trek, starship hulls have never been really thick, but yea, the Enterprise's outer hull in this looks way thinner than usual...

Heh, the Enterprise's bussard collectors look like jet turbines... :lol:

Exactly what I was thinking!  :sweatdrop:
What's this real transparent aluminum you are thinking of?

Well the hulls of ships in Star Trek are made out of things like tritanium and duranium... Transparent aluminium is just what the windows are made out of...

Besides, even in Archer's time, photonic torpedoes could produce a blast of at least 20 megatons... by Voyager's time, this had risen to at least 200 megatons (meaning it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for the 1701 Enterprise's photons to be able to put out 80-100 megatons)... you'd be pretty hard-pressed to resist a blast that powerful with any material (a Shadow warship in Babylon Five was destroyed when it absorbed the equivalent of about 60 megatons when it was caught in the explosion radius of a 500 megaton nuclear device)...

ST-v-SW.Net :: Overview (http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html#Missiles)

ST-v-SW.Net ::  Rise[VOY] and Torpedo Firepower (http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWrise.html)

Shadow Warships (http://www.babtech-onthe.net/shadows/warship.html#defense)

There are some great pics on that site Triarii, and a lot of useful info too.

The transparent aluminium I was referring to Dom, well, it isn't aluminium but it's as strong as steel. Actually, err, it depends which discovery you're talking about:

http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm (http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm)

http://www.physorg.com/news110727530.html (http://www.physorg.com/news110727530.html)

We always overestimate short term technology (5-10 years), but greatly underestimate long term technology (20 years plus), which is why by the 23rd century most of our abilities will far surpass the Star Trek universe. Hell, we even have the vibrant field of quantum information technology which could provide primitive transporter technology by the end of the 21st century, and this could be an underestimation of the kind someone in 1908 might have made about 1998. And because our technology is accelerating, the definitions of "short" and "long" term I mentioned become compressed with time. Ok speech over!!  :D

Yea... I mean, I don't think anyone in 1907 (or even 1957) could possibly have predicted the kinds of technology we have today... and new stuff is cropping up every day now...

Ah cool! I know about the second type of super-strong material, but I hadn't heard of the first  :woot:
Can't wait for quantum computers  ^-^

20-ish years for quantum computers, it's still in the "lab" stage where there are technical hurdles to be surmounted (like that ever stopped anyone). Well within our lifetime though!! And change things they will. All the most important problems in physics are quantum mechanical systems, and therefore can be simulated properly only on a QC. Classical computers will seem like neat toys to our children.

Now, which type of quantum computers were u guys thinking of? I've heard several different ideas for them, and I don't know which one is "true" or if there is a "true" QC. By true, I don't mean... not real... but I mean the computers which will actually be quantum computers, or if there are different types.

Not the one by a company called "D-wave systems", which can only be a fraud at this stage, and the work was not even reviewed by experts, so is best viewed with great suspicion.

The only real (but primitive) quantum computers exist in research laboratories, where they are finding ways to increase the numbers of interacting "qubits" (quantum bits). These computing devices have even executed some calculations, and there are a number of different approaches, including photonic designs, diamonds and even some silicon versions. Some also make use the phenomenon of magnetic resonance, which is the basis for NMR and MRI scanners. Electrons can also be used as qubits, since they exhibit the property of spin, not spin in the classical sense (spinning top), but quantised spin.

I go with the nutty professors rather than the businessmen to be honest. D-wave never even bothered to explain to us what type of QC they made, or how it works, or what results they achieved, etc etc. As with anything, I'd believe if shown the evidence. In the mean time it's quite exciting to watch our classical computers increase in power exponentially according to Moore's law while we wait for QCs.  :D

Unfortunately Moor's Law will hit a wall .... eventually.  :shifty: But then again, so will QC's and all the other fancy technological devices humanity comes up with  :sweatdrop:

Is that "wall" defined as the time when all our creations rise up against us?  :borg:

I hope not Red!! Naa it's really to do with heat problems and fundamental limits of the old style transistor. In classical computing, quantum physics eventually becomes your enemy as you get smaller. For quantum devices, they make use of such laws so it doesn't matter.

Yeah true Dom, all technology reaches a plateau eventually. Typically, they are replaced by better ones. Really Moore's law isn't the first, but the fifth computing paradigm to deliver exponential growth in price-performance (according to Kurzweil anyway). And even so, in the 1970s the computing industry got nervous because of heat dissipation problems, but human ingenuity prevailed and we got decades more growth within the same paradigm.

I'd estimate we have a decade or so to go with old Moore's law, which is quite a convenient timescale if you think about it. After all, it isn't just the QC technologies which will be ready to replace it, there are other nanotech based approaches which use molecular switches too (bottom-up rather than top-down electronics).

you kind of lost me at the end here. think you could Clarify?

Current techniques for manufacturing circuitry aim to shrink normal sized components (such as transistors) to ever smaller sizes, a top-down approach which won't last forever. A bottom up approach would be achieved by starting with atoms as building blocks and creating molecular switches, and is one of the aims of nanotechnology. Molecular computing would allow for circuit densities orders of magnitude greater than with ordinary silicon technology. As Richard Feynman said, there's plenty of room at the bottom.

Whoa, welcome back, Casper!  :D

The only problem with bottom up is finding materials that conduct well enough... so far... so bad  :crybaby:
...but I am sure solutions abound  :D

There are quite a few single molecules which are known to conduct, such as viologen, caretenoids and even nucleic acids. Caretenoids are actually better conductors than many metals due to conjugation; their structure consists of alternating double and single bonds. The materials are usually thiols since they bind favourably to a gold surface:

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/nalefd/2004/4/i02/abs/nl035000m.html (http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/nalefd/2004/4/i02/abs/nl035000m.html)

http://www.astro.cardiff.ac.uk/groups/nano/?page=smc (http://www.astro.cardiff.ac.uk/groups/nano/?page=smc)

http://pcwww.liv.ac.uk/~nichols/research.htm (http://pcwww.liv.ac.uk/~nichols/research.htm)

Obviously this sort of research is still in the lab stage, but 20 years is a long time in research, and I'm confident that technical issues will be resolved.

Conjugated bonds would make a material also pretty resilient against heat...

Forgive me  :blush: , but I don't see how conjugation is directly related to a material's heat capacity, perhaps you could explain...

Conjugation relates to electronic energy levels; you can construct a molecular orbital diagram, and in small molecules a pi level that might lead to delocalisation is easily recognised. For larger molecules or condensed matter, these energy levels become contracted, until they form a continuum. But all the time we are talking about electronic energy levels. This can surely only have an impact on the optical properties of the sample, e.g. UV-visible spectroscopic measurements.

A compound that is resistant to heat transfer will have a large heat capacity, which generally speaking means that has a large capacity for its translational, rotational and vibrational energy levels being excited. When we then go on to talk about the electronics of a molecule, we are talking about a much more energetic process, one that leads to things like ionisation; in other words, the molecule's goosed! This is the basis for the operation of lasers, where it is the atoms in question which have been excited.

But if there's something I'm missing, please volunteer the information, I'm always interested in learning somthing new :) .

So, STXI.  Is it gonna bomb or not?

I'm thinkin not. Hype is enough to make it successful.  :D

Nice Red  :lol:

Will it be a success the way such a film should be, or will it be a success more along the lines of Transformers?

Well, Doh!  That's because scotty gave it to that company person, so of course we would have it now!!
 :lol:

They must have kept it a secret for 20 years. Quite clever really if you think about it.

So, that's the real motive for the Enterprise repeatedly entering the past...