Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

I was wondering about a secondary hull today I was wathing TNG and thought that their should be a secondary hull. so what do you think this is what star trek wikie says
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Secondary_hull (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Secondary_hull)

so what do you guys think about a Secondary hull :)

hmm, i think we go well with one hull hitpoint bar, as nearly all starships feature a secondary hull, its no use to threat it as an individual element in my opinion :)

What about armer on some ships?

is it even possible 2 get a second health bar if so it could be used to show sheild health as some weapons ignore shields and/or it could b used 4 armour

Well if its not what one could do is make the hall bar health go past %100.

armer would be good for the borg and it would be easy cause they dont have shields you could use one as  a armor and the other as the hull and dont have a shield be displayed when you fire at the ship  :thumbsup:

I think what the team did though was just make the maximum health of Borg ships much greater... with a tiny amount of shielding.  :D

But dose it show that its bigger at a glance?

I mean I wont ships with armer to slow there health is bigger not just that its bigger.

well a percentage reading does only make sense in relation to a certain value. lets say the defiant - well armored - starts with 150% hull, then what is 100% supposed to be? the reference is missing.
i'm happy with the current percentage values, cause they show you the damage of your ships, rather then their armor value (a defiant with 127% hull could be anything, cause its not easily understandable what the maximum is).
In my opinion armor should add damage reduction, rather then additional hitpoints. hitpoints are already symbolized by the defense value. Borg Tactical Armor for example will add damage reduction against beam-type weapons.

%100 of stander hall integrity. armer adds to hall integrity making it more than normal more than %100 of normal.

I see you point it all gos to how one looks at it if one sees armer as just more hall than %100 makes scents. But if one looks at it ass armer extra than you will need more than normal.

Ok it was just a idea.

For me I would prefer a secondary bar in the health readout section.

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Hmm Heres a another ply off the idea.

What about if the helth bar stays at one %100 but thares some thing added on top of it.

I mean I know some of the limitations of the source code so which prevents one from adding a new health bar, But with putting a new # on top of the hall bar which would be armer. Hall would not be effected or would be pertected by this nubbier until the nubbier reaches 0.

What about that?

I don't think that would make much sense Ewm, because then you would be essentially targetting armor independently of the ship's health. I.E. First you destroy armor, Then you destroy health. However, this is not very realistic because armor will still be there regardless (you will be just attacking one portion of it, not stripping the whole ship of it). The reduction aspect fits much better, especially if you consider that the entire ship is being armor reinforced, not just as an outer shell that is easily removed.

yes but with the reduction the armor cant be destroyed its always there. which is not realistic it is in all star trek what it should do is reinforce the ships systems so they have more health but I can think of how to use it so it also increases the health, or we could do your reduction as well. ya that sounds good a ship with armor (or when it is.... enabled?) has reduction to damage as well as increased health on ships systems I.E. weapons, life support, engines ect. so they are more difficult to destroy think that would support both of our ideas.

All I am saying is make the armer more visible in the health indicator thats all Dominus_Noctis.

Hmm... Do you have any other suggestions Ewm how to accomplish that though without making it a wholely seperate (and thus individually destroyable) section of the ship?

Well the idea I just posted what to have to health indicators on the same bar one for stander hall as normal the other would be on the bar its self it would be for armer.

the thing I'm wondering, is if it's even possibly to do this, since the ship is one object... I mean, wouldn't u have to somehow classify one ship as 2 objects? Or can u display the health of a specific section of a ship, almost like... a MSD? (Master Systems Display) U know, the big things that show the overall systems of the ship? Is it possible to do an MSD of every ship? Like, show where the ship is being hit, and what's taking damage?

Of cores its posable its just images that make up the bar you can make images with nabbers.

Why not use this secondary hull thing as an upgrade for a further version? Increase the defensive value by strengthening hull hit points of all ships and stations by 10%. Just available for the Federation. Makes sense to me and fits into the FO philosophy (balance and canonity).

yep that sounds like a solution :)

that sounds good  :lol: