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That time of year again...  :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_in_light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_in_light)

That reminds me of the cover of the Nation this week.

The Nation: September 24, 2007 (http://www.thenation.com/issue/20070924)

We need to change be for more blood is lost for one mans ego.

Create a different topic for that.

Don't dishonor the people who died on 9/11 by trying to make it about Iraq.

It's not.  Can't we at least remember these people one day outta the year without changing the subject?

Well the people how died in my image was because of 911 has doubled triple quadruple.

You can separate Iraq from 911 because of that one man. I remember the horrific tragedy that happened on 911 and I can remember the streams of blood that still flows because of so called 911.

In the first few months, as the surge was building up, Gen Petraeus seemed uncertain himself about whether it would succeed. -bbc

On the second page, however, Petraeus admits that “tangible political progress” on the ground “has not worked out as we had hoped. -Petraeus {So more of the same....}

    A senior military officer said there will be no written presentation to the president on security and stability in Iraq. “There is no report. It is an assessment provided by them by testimony,” the officer said.

    The only hard copy will be Gen. Petraeus’ opening statement to Congress, scheduled for Monday, along with any charts he will use in explaining the results of the troop surge in Baghdad over the past several months.

Is Petraeus good subordinate.

How many more have to die in the name of 911 be for we see it as wrong...

You are retarded Ewm, I swear.

I hope God gives strength to the families of those who lost loved ones that day, and our troops abroad.

I hope god give forgiveness to the people how support this war or at lest understands them its getting harder and harder for me to.

You cant be victims and aggressors at the same time. Pick one....

And lets end the scened Vietnam.

ewm, this topic is about remembering those who lost everything in those attacks, not about political bull-blam-

not one of those people are in iraq, and the thread should NOT be turned into some liberal brain washing crap about 'second nam.'  you may be right, you may be wrong. either way, this is about something entirely different.

i hope god forgives you ewm,

and of course gives strength to those who lost so much, and still feeling the effects five years later.

-Lumpybob.

Well you tell that to bush how used 911 as his resin to invade Iraq I did not make it politacol Bush did that and we are still paying for it hes made it so you can not separate 911 for Iraq.

Actional it was the republicans how did that get your facts state be for throwing balm around, Nothing brain washing about it I sheer I can find a chip on you tube of bush making the connection.

Its not me I am woryed about.

What about those how are still losing.

I cant understand how people can not see the facts infrunt of them but can see the story clearly.

Benjamin Franklin The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. (we need to change cores NOW)

-ewm

I pray that the memorial building will be protected by his hand.

may those lies whore stolen away have eternal peace and my their famlies have some peace from this in the near future.

and EWM if you gonn disrespect the dead by using them to push you nonsensical bullsh*t at least offer as i totaly diffrent side note under your destroy ameica mindset

How am I disrespecting the dad by tiring to get the truth out. You mis understand my motivation.

The only bull shit is seeing a crime and ignoring it. The pole how died and are dieing as lest need to have the truth broth in to the opened its the most respectful thing I can do.

The actions that crated the mind psychopathic set of 911 killers is ignored and repeated daly.

and so you contuine to disrespect those people and this great contry

You did not annser my question how is trying to show the truth disrespect?

i did not see any truth just horrable lies and foolish conspiricies because people cannot except how symple things can be so all in all ... ya know what (bush ruels!!!!!!!!!)

But their are facts all over the place and their are lies all over the place people pick and choose basted on their motivates on what thay thrust and do not trust.

(The Truth rules!!!!!!) Bush, clenton, Oboma, juleoni, are irrelevant.

live in your little world if you wish EWM people like me can face the facts and get on with life the people died let us at least honer them with the lack of stupidity

I live in the facts it maybe a litel world but its the real world.

The facts are not stupid why do you support a lie from a man how has bean wrong about every signal thing not a egesageration. I don't understand your Idea of what you think is real.

1

er... 2? whats with the 1 dude? :blink:

anyway, RIP all the souls who lost the lives that day, hope their families find the strength to cope with their loss.

Ewm, as Lumpy said earlier, you may well be right, and you may be wrong, but here's most definitely not the place for it. You obviously can't see it, but you are being highly disrespectful. If you want to discuss your opinion about the motives of the Iraq war, set up another thread topic.

Think about the families of the victims. I'd bet that the majority of them are pacifists who despise the Iraq war. Imagine how upset you'd make them by minimising the deaths of their loved ones like this. The citizens of America are not responsible for the actions of the leadership, they are just trying to rebuild their lives as much as possible. You've effectively turned a respectful remembrance into a political debate. You wouldn't do it at the funeral of a 9-11 victim (I hope), so show some respect and don't do it in this thread.

One other thing for some of the other guys. I'm disgusted at ewm's behaviour, but try not to say "may God forgive you". To a person who does not believe in a God, this is insulting, implies superiority and favour, and risks fanning the flames of an argument which shouldn't have happened.

Ewm, it's your perception of truth.  That means nothing more that the other 6 billion plus perceptions out there.

Ewm, leave it alone or make another thread.  But don't dishonor the dead like this.

I disagree Iraq was invated becuss of 911 the Iraq report was relested on septiber 11. I think they are connected at the hip. 

It was a haribale thing that happened on 911 but whats even weirs is that many more inasent people have died and are dieing for a lie it is disrespectful to their memory and to the troth let this like go one more day!Its not easy to chalege the common idea aspeshaly about some this like this but if the idea is not changed the lessons that should have bean leaned for all those deaths and the deaths that happen every day over and over men woman and children and are not it 100 more times of a tragedy.

If no one speaks up it will just happen again!

It doesn't matter if there's a damned connection or not, you're clearly missing the point. Try advancing your "truth" at a remembrance service for 9-11 victims and see what response you get. They don't care, they hate war and just want to remember their family members. So, please, stop banging on about how Iraq happened because of 9-11. Go tell that to George Bush, or make another thread. I beg you. Why not construct a little sentence for your next response paying your respects to the many and varied victims of the attacks, and as you do so, slow your typing right down so that you produce fewer typos. Just a little advice.

But the problem the victims is that they are still happing. every death that happens in the name of 911 is part of 911.

911 is not over....

First, here is not the place to air your view. There is a time and place for everything. Now is not the time and here is not the place. Second, your view (that the deaths happen in the name of 9-11) is an opinion, not a fact and is subjective, not objective. If you must launch a truth crusade, you must first firmly establish what the truth is, in a way that is not biased or tainted by politics.

To introduce political arguments into a remembrance thread is in particularly bad taste. What were you thinking? Should I be as bold as to say you should be ashamed? Remembrance is about having a memorial, not to ponder the whys and wherefores of an event, nor to protest about other injustices that may be directly or indirectly related to it.

If Bush and Blair had decided not to invade Iraq, we would still be here remembering the 9-11 victims. What would you have done then? What would you have told the family members? I'm sure you feel strongly about various injustices commited by our governments, but try to show a little restraint here. There are Iraq forums throughout the web where you can let off steam.

If a thread about 911 is not a place to talk about 911 I don't know ware is. So becose you don't share my openen makes my openon wrong?

If 911 is not political I don't know what is. every thing that is done in the name of the usa is political. Stop thinking as the government leader ship think you should think and see the truth. Be independent and challenge the comen thot. You are smart start using you intelligentsias and stop being a ant in the hill make a independent vuwe.

I would have had different vuwe for deferent sectiations of cores.

Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head. This is a place to talk about 9-11 (more specifically, the victims), not Iraq. It was you that made the link to Iraq. It's irrelevant that I don't share your opinion. In fact, I haven't even voiced my opinion since this is not the place. Therefore, I don't know how you know that I don't share your opinion.


For the families of the victims, 9-11 was absoutely not "political" based on your seeming defintion. "Politics" is an overused word that gets slapped on virtually anything to do with life. This results in people who try to stay away from political controversy being accused of hypocrisy, when in fact the hypocrisy is the other way around. Perhaps is you'd lost a family member on 9-11, you'd understand what I mean by politics being the last thing on your mind.


You're patronising me now, in a very weak attempt to use my intelligence as a weapon against me. I promise you, it hasn't worked. In reality, I do have an independent view, but I have not voiced it because this thread is about remembering the victims, and nothing else. If I thought it necessary to state my view, I would do so with such a clarity that there would be no ambiguity. I will not do this just because you are eager to turn this thread into a political debate, which I find disgusting.

One more thing, ewm. I'm not an "ant in the mill". My thought is about as independent as it gets, and in fact independent thought and integrity to myself and to the truth are cores of my personality. You insult me at the highest, most personal level to suggest that I am otherwise. However, you will never squeeze these things out of me in a solemn rememberence thread. Not now, Not ever.

I'm going to try to wind this down, as I already feel bad that I've participated in this charade in this thread, effectively becoming as guilty as you are. You really need to find a stick to chew on or something ewm, or some steel balls to fondle, in order to channel some of your energies into safe areas where you will do no damage.

911 is part of 911 I am sorry you cant see the truth. The excuse is as much a port of the consaquises as the fast.

Watch this: YouTube - How Bush Links 9-11 & Iraq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSU_sU_rLv8)

The fact you are missing the fact that you think the way you do IS A POLITTACL destion. Well any thing and every thing called be call politcal and you could make a argument that ting my should is political.

I just think it is to easy to fall in to the plitcol mud on both side the democrats are spineless dose not mean we have to.

I am gillty of only posting my own vue and I dont fee; guilty of posting what I see as the truth I feel liberated.

"Remembrance..." is the title of this thread.
Indeed this thread is about 9-11, obviously it is.
As political as 9-11 might be I can't find the post intending to make this thread a political one.
It's called "Remembrance..." to remember the dead and the horror this day saw and whatever YouTube might bring up and whatever George W. Bush might link to anything else: 9-11 is not about Iraq and political decisions.
9-11 is about an attack against humanity, civilization and incredible grief.
Whatever 9-11 lead to I regard it as highly impious to exploit its victims - and they are what this thread is about and what we shall remember - as a reason for anything.
There's no link between the dead of 9-11 and anything else which happend as a political reaction.

So, please, start a new topic for that, okay?

Everyone just ignore him, he thrives on our negative emotions towards him. If he wants to douche this topic up, fine, but the trick is we don't have to read any of his jibberish.

I am being as non politacol as humanly posabule If I was being politcal I would be trying to reach a centrist vuwe like Karry or Gileoni. I tell the truth as I see it

PD: casu  Caucasu I feel the same way about your hospitality.

Ewm, WTFAYSPOTT?

(Why the F*** are you still posting on this topic?)

Becuss I have something to add to it.

You've added very little, but you've taken away much.

I sorry you see that. I cant make you see all I can do is make the truth acssesabule.

Believe me ewm, you don't hold a monopoly on the "truth", a word which you are overusing to make it more acceptable; this is called "ad nauseam" and is frequently part of logical fallacy lists. You'd make the truth more accessible if you explained why it was the truth, instead of stating it as truth. But even so, this thread is not called "The truth about 9-11". Read the title to see what it says.

Well, at least no one has started spouting 9/11 conspiracies yet...

Semantics. Replament the way I see it.

RedShirt: I see if you dont see it the same way its a conspiracies. Well look up the defanistion of conspiracies.

Please explain. Elaborate. Clarify. And, is that the best you can do? No actually, please don't explain, I'm experiencing intestinal pain already.

Susitoot the word truth with the way I see it I used the wrong word.

I hate to go off topic even further, but I think Ewms enrgish has actually gotten worse since I've been away. How come you guys haven't gotten him banned yet?

Thank you but you are right this is off topic. The magic of mac spell checks.

Lmao, I don't even think he's serious anymore. No one can simultaneously be so hypocritical AND stupid.

I don't think its me how has stopped taking the contents of this thread serisly.

since we are ON the TOPIC of 911 affected peoples,
i heard somewhere that the government is compensating people with moneez to the victims.

how has that been coming along, because i also heard that some familiys are still waiting for that.

Hmm, I don't know much about it.  Oh well.  Bureaucracy on those things has always sucked.

Yeah, they had that problem, like 5 years ago. As far as I know, thats long been a thing of the past, and the people who needed the money have had it a long time. Somehow I'm sure Ewm knows otherwise, and will site some old BBC/Al Jazeera source to claim it.

I was not sheer what bob said I must have miss read it I sent him a PM but he has not respond yet. If some one would be kind anuff to parifase it I could give feed back.

Probably the truth comes easy.

I can't be sure... no time to look it up... but a couple of months ago I THINK there was a controversy about paying the victims of September 11th; some not getting the whole amount. Don't chew me out though... as I can't remember properly. If not, the last were payed on June 16th, 2004 as a fact. However... those who have died of lung cancer, emphesema and other diseases caused by fall out from 9/11 have NOT been payed yet (deliberations are in progress though). Incidently, the families of victims of the Oklahoma City bombings keep bringing up a petition to be payed as well.

It was my birthday, i remember coming home from my party and just dropping everything and sitting glued to the TV. The 11th of september will be remembered and continue to be a topic of debate with people for a long time, people will make links and others dismiss links, thats just the way the world works.

I was unaware that compensation was being given to the families.

Good to see you back, CDP.

I actually found out about 9/11 online.  I remember the moment pretty clearly.  It wasn't very special, but boy do I remember it...

Since we are on this train of though... I was sitting home sick, watching TV when all the stations changed about a large airplane accident... which was amended some 25 minutes later to an attack. Pretty horrifying.

The same thing happened with me Dom. I came home (at about 1pm UK time) and learned of a huge accident, which was horrifying enough. I think I actually saw the 2nd plane in real time through someone's camera, which (needless to say) was deeply shocking, as we all knew then that this was no accident.

I remember ware I was.

I was sleeping end my then room mate woke me up and said a plain crashed in new york. I said thats nice let me get back to sleep then she said no the plain crash in a billing a I asked a 2 seater then I heard the one that hit the pentagon fly over head. I rain to the TV and saw the WTC being I changed the channel because I thuot it was a Ad But their it was again.

I know it was Alkaid the second I confirmed what had happened. I remember being shocked at the fact no one stopped this attack. Than I felt angree at Ben ladion and thout at that time he needed to be taken out. I supported bush for the a very short time until I started to see on his handling of the wake of the attacks.

Dwelling on the past will only give you wherry's. Fixing the problem so it NEVER happens to ANY one again is where we should alcate our energy.

i was at school at the time of the attacks, and i didn't find out about them until i got home.