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YouTube - Planet X News Nibiru human evolution alien race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qkJUh3s7kc)

in video form, its low quality bu there ya go.

Perhaps one day we'll discover that evolution does not present the whole picture of how intelligent human life arrived, but that time has not come yet (needless to say the answer does not come from the absurd genesis account which requires even more rapid evolution after the fall from grace). As Richard Dawkins said in his TV series Enemies of Reason, "we should have an open mind, but not a mind so open that our brains fall out".

It became clear that this guy is a nutter when he started talking about "hominoids" such as bigfoot and yhettis that still exist (I could have sworn he said that  :blink:). Not to mention the fact that he bases the entire thing on the ideas of the ancient Sumerians. Is there really any evidence that we were genetically engineered by a race called the "Nibiru" orbiting the tenth planet? I think not. We must always have evidence. We do not simply believe any story that floats past our front window just because it provides us with "answers". It is better to have no answers than the wrong ones. Further, it would be very bad to "get the right answers for the wrong reasons" (although that does not apply here).

He says a lot and explains very little. If a person says something it is imperative that he backs it up. THis sort of stuff is targeted at people with little science education, because they don't know the methods of research. This guy says that he "researched" it thoroughly but tells us nothing about how he did that. Besides the highly questionable beliefs of the Sumerians, what evidence does he present? What data did he collect? How did he analyse the data? Was his study peer-reviewed? Has he been backed by experts in Astronomy and genetics?

One of the tell-tale signs of a scam is when they announce their "findings" via the media, who will lap up any story for ratings. Recently a company called D-wave systems did this. They by-passed the established peer review system and held a "conference" using the media to say they had built a quantum computer, something which is decades away. They do this because they would never get past first base in a proper peer review. Another way con-artists do this is by publishing a book, rather than a paper in an academic journal. In other words, it's all to make money. Books like this make millions even though the content is worthess. In my country books like that outsell real science books by almost an order of magnitude. I have to wonder what this says about our society.

By the way Mutant Hippie, I don't mean to rain on your parade or anything else, if that's what I've done.  :blush: Actually the fact that you said you don't fully understand it is a good sign. If something seems to not make sense, then either:  1/ the instructor is very poor at explanation, or  2/ it actually doesn't make sense! I suspect that here it is the latter.

^^ excellent explanation of why the guy in the video is talking rubbish :) That’s probable one of the best structured posts and well explain i have read in a long time and summed everything up that i was thinking too, thought wouldn't have had the time to write in as much detail or as clearly.  

Just to state one small thing... besides saying that the whole thing is complete garbage... is that it seems it is just another guy trying to attempt to justify (like the redundancy?) why humans should be considered special.
Makes me very sad  :crybaby:

Religions often do the same thing. In christianity we are made in the image of God, no less. Of course, this is just metaphorical, but the decisions about which bits are literal and which bits are metaphorical/symbolic are entirely arbitrary. In my old religion these things were decided by 12 men sitting around a table. In the catholic church the appeal is to papal authority, not divine wisdom (God seems oddly silent anyway so I'm not surprised).

It's understandable that we often want to feel special, but this flies in the face of reality. In the universe context we are tiny specks of dust on a smallish planet orbiting an average sized star in a 100 billion star galaxy. According to astronomers there may be 100 billion galaxies in the universe. The cosmos is also much better suited to cosmological phenomena than "life" (however you define that). Even if a black hole doesn't stray too close and devour a solar system, it's liable to be bombarded by meteors or encounter some other disaster.

The universe is hostile to life, and we exist due to good fortune, not divine manipulation. Of course, maybe it was God's purpose that we be the proverbial woodlouse under the rock in a forest of fungi (that didn't quite come out right so forgive me  :ermm:). On the other hand, judging by the staggeringly huge scale of the universe, if God has a plan, it's a mighty big one. God would therefore be much grander than the weak version in the bible. It would also indicate that we play a very minor role in the cosmos, especially considering that God has ignored us. Because these questions are cosmological, it may be possible to answer them. Some astrophysical discovery may reveal truth about our role in the universe. This is quite an exciting idea: science have a power that we didn't think possible, to provide answers to fundamental questions.

There's also nothing ruling out our dicovering "higher beings" or "gods". It just depends on your defintions, as does everything. To a primitive society, "gods" may be aliens conducting a duckblind mission in cloaking suits (that seems oddly familiar somehow). If someone is powerful, and undetectable, he is a "god". And, as long as the being is "finite", we can in principle use science to learn how to detect him (I happen to believe that an infinite God is logically absurd, and creates paradoxes). So again, science may one day provide answers. Even if it doesn't, it's still wrong to speculate based on the beliefs of a confused ancient society just as the guy in the video did.

To go on with that... I don't ever remember reading any of that garblygook about aliens and the like in the "texts" I have seen (translations of course), but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly the Sumerians became fanatical alien worshippers.... :ermm:

Maybe it's in the bible, not explicitly stated but implicit in the wording. Perhaps Adam was a 'Nibiru', or whatever. He preceded the Sumerians according to Christian theology, and he was made in God's image afterall...  :shifty:

Well,the only thing i want to tell is.........This is one hell of a bedtime story! :innocent:

the one thing i liked about is ..that the sommerians  have a picture of our solar system with the planets in it.
Well thats pretty strange because ,yo people started to think in the middle ages that the world was flat.

that is one strong argument .but the rest....mmmmm...i doubt it! :whistling:

What the F is this guy smoking and can I have some?

1) early humans do look like us.

2) homo means same not human.

3) Is he saying we are aliens?

4) we captured  another planet? dose this guy have any Idea how big space is? That would be like a person throwing a rock from china and hitting bush in overall offise.

5) The reason they cant find plaint X is becose its a shadow of a another plaint it never exited.

6) we are all Borg slaves?

Wow I know fox was a joke now I think there psychotic.

well  i reffered to this link...http://groups.msn.com/Nieuwetijd/deannunaki.msnw (http://groups.msn.com/Nieuwetijd/deannunaki.msnw)

euuhh...please forgive me but the link is in dutch language.....but on the net are plenty of english language as well ..sorry!!! :whistling:

I wasn't surprised it was Fox news that gave this guy serious attention. The rest of the media is responsible for making us think the world is a terrible place, mainly because of fierce competition (and also because they now have the ability to collect news from anywhere, 24-7). We live in an age of exposure and, believe it or not, enlightenment. This planet has only barely begun its technological progress, so it's natural that the "enemies of reason" will have their tantrums right up to the last minute. I doubt they'll last until 2100.

Fox news is very very corrupt. Fox has had more whisle  blowers of any network I know of. They get memos every day from their coproite overlords every day telling them what to report. its well documented. Watch the move "out foxed". The Fox new work is known by other medias as the F word.

This report is not surprising just disappointing.

lol you didnt rain on my parade, i just posted it so it could be duscussed and later on ripped apart and tossed into the heap, i didnt actualy agree with anything this guy said and belived it all to be a peculier.

I don't like his theory, Darwins Evolutionism sounds better. I don't believe Humans were created by Aliens. Is he serious?

ewm90, what do you mean by 'Borg slaves'?

Are you kidding?  Everything sounds better than this.

Well it sounded like for e moment that he was toking about  a alien coming down and converting us in to some thing els Borg came to mind.

Indeed I agree, everything does sound better. However, this does not validate or redeem creationism, if that was your line of reasoning. If you want to do that, first you must explain creation's rapid evolution requirement to me, then you must explain the other 200 misgivings with it, and finally if you don't know what I mean by any of that, then you probably haven't truly considered the timescale and implications if genesis. Yes, genesis is not as weird as the guy in the video, but it's a close second.

How the bloody hell did you misread 'everything' as 'creationism'?  :blink:

I didn't misread. What else could you have meant? It's well known you are a creationist. If you don't want your words decoding, then don't speak in code. I always make a habit of clearly stating my position. If my posts are not clear as the clearest crystal, then I'm probably drunk or dead. I advise you follow my example  :D . Perhaps you were just making a general statement, but because your statement was so short, our brains tend to fill in the gaps concerning what we don't know. Our brains are predictive devices, so everytime we read something we check a huge backlog of information about the person, object or event. Since this was a thread about origins, I simply did the same thing.

I would like to reiterate that I am not prone to misreading anything. You should know me well enough by now to know that, if you state your intentions clearly, I will never stuff words in your mouth. However, if you're content to make small, indirect sentences, then I'm content to put words to paper in order to fill in the gaps. Let the stuffing commence  :thumbsup:.

PS. Feel free to challenge me about this Red. I could do this all day  :pimp:

I am aware you didn't misread; I was simply offering you a chance to retract the statement if you desire and to convey that I did not intend to make that point.

By you statement here:
It causes me to worry.

Is it inconceivable that I was making a general quip (often called a 'comment') that was simply pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the stated view?

I feel I should get this out in the open immediately:  Not every comment I give is me spoiling for a debate.

I would be quite willing to retract my statement given enough information. It's not inconceivable that you were making a general quip, but in the absence of this knowledge, and considering the nature of the thread (origins), and considering the hard stance you've taken on this in the past, then I'm quite at liberty to make my own interpretation. If you do not want that to happen, then you must be prepared to hit more keys on the keyboard.

In reality, every comment anyone makes is fair game for debate, or discussion or whatever. If you don't wish your very words to be deciphered, analysed, intepreted and paraphrased, then you should publish a PhD thesis and patent the information. Posting in the online world is somewhat different. Of course, I'm aware of what you meant now, but in the future I am just as likely to do the same thing with your comments unless you make them clearer. A lot of people don't understand that, on the web, you can't see facial expressions and gestures. If you want to make a point (even a small one) unambiguously, then you should write longer prose, and use smilies and italics if necessary. You may have noticed that I go to great pains to make sure I'm understood properly. If you don't wish to do that, then prepare to have your comments put through the cow mincing machine.

My original quote:


The simple statement is that this is about the most absurd thing I've ever seen.  How can it get any clearer?

I mean, there aren't even lines to read between.

Have I taken "hard-line" positions in the past?  Yes.  I a debate thread about the issue.  I have never gone about spoiling for a debate and I have no intention of starting that practice.

I see what you are trying to say but... I don't believe you! A short statement is not a simple one if it is so empty of information that we lose meaning. There's so much left to the imagination that it is ripe for reading between the lines (the "line" between "Everything" and "sounds better" would be one relevant example).

I wasn't bashing you about taking a hard line about your creation position, because I've done so in the past, as we all do when we believe in something passionately. I do so now, with regards to my position.

I am curious, though, that you are emphasising the absurdity of the video, yet you must know that I view genesis as absurd too. My point is, it may seem clear to you, but to me you're not making a clear distinction because to me, creation is close to it in weirdness. There's a grey area here, and according to my observations, irrational people and religious people share things in common (such as assuming things by default, as well as not understanding the scientific method). It may seem like you occupy an island of clarity, where your post would be clear as day, but that does not take in to account other people's perspectives.

General "quips" are nice when you're at a bar with your friends, and you can yoll your eyes and flash your eyebrows as well as alter your tone, but here they are easily misunderstood. I kindly advise that you learn to love writing novels for posts. You should try it. Works wonders.  B)

Well, this is the 'small talk' section of the forums.

I have never (to my knowledge) stated my opinion on genesis on this forum, and perhaps it is best that I don't so I can just ignore the factor.

Let it be known that you may read into my posts all your wish, but the only truth you shall find is what I put there, simply stated.  Anything extra you infer is purely from your imagination.  Sorry to disappoint.

As you know, I have a vivid imagination. Douse it while you still can by making imagination-killing posts. Otherwise, you may expect imaginative, and thoughtful, analyses of all of your posts.  :thumbsup:

I have no intention of getting carpal tunnel due to you, old man. :P

That's a valid point. You may not be surprised to know that I started to get wrist strain last year due to keyboard and mouse use. I had to learn to use the mouse with my left hand, and as for typing, I had to learn... self control.

You had to cut back on doctorate-length posts?

Yeah, for an agonizingly long time too.

Does that mean we can expect another respite shortly?  :D

It's possible. But don't bet your life on it...