Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Star Trek Voyager is the best. Theres a lot of involvment with borg. :borg:

I love them all, but my allegience falls eventually on DS9. The DS9 series was underrated  in my opinion. Although it starts a bit like a soap opera in space (with every episode seeming to revolve around Odo arguing with Quark), there was an interesting drama bubbling under the surface, full of double bluffs and political intrigue. DS9 had the most fully developed bad guy in Star Trek history: Dukat, who had all sorts of different faces to his personality. On top of all that, the story eventually became a full on galactic naval battle, with very impressive graphics supporting it.

Having said that, I still love the others. Next Gen is always worth watching just to listen to the "moral" at the end of the episode: one of Picard's little gems of wisdom. He's done it to every major character on the show; he sternly informs them in his ready room that they are dismissed, then calls them back for an off the record chat. The worf ones qualify as some of the best ever. Great stuff.

The Original series is obviously at the heart of Roddenberry's vision so it ticks the boxes. Voyager is great for non-stop techno-babble and for some top-class Borg episodes. And finally Enterprise is good for... not much really! Oh yeah I remember now. Seeing sub-commander T'Pol's naked behind.  :thumbsup:

Voyager for sure I do like the  :borg:  :assimilate: but I just liked for everything DS9 was also good but they did not have as much Startrek stuff in it like anomalies and such and they also had to much drama for ST :thumbsup: :borg:

it was a tough one between DS9 and TNG but TNG got the vote in the end, allthough DS9 was awsome and amazing, for me it didnt quite cut it like TNG cut it.

Some of  the best casting ever and like Doc Laz said the "Moral" at the end of the episodes [or most of them anyway] and the bigger picture they sometimes solve and such i.e slavery, genocide and stuff like that.

hope i made sense

Cheers
Dan

My vote goes to DS9.

I agree with Dr. Lazarus. The overall story plus the stories of the main characters was just great. Different aspects of personality from every charakter, not only black and white, made DS9 the best Trek series ever - IMHO ;)

And the mysticism. My favorite episode still is "Far beyond the stars", where Sisko had a vision of being "Brother Benny", a second class storywriter, who actually wrote the story of DS9 ...

And the space battles, of course :whistling:

I do love TNG and Voyager, too. But not as much as DS9. TOS is okay so far, but my interest (or might I say ... addiction?) in Star Trek started with TNG.

About Archers Enterprise: I do like Scott Bacula, but I never could warm up to these Enterprise.  :ermm:

Tied between DS9 and Voyager. DS9 was great, but it did have some flaws, and so did Voyager. TNG was great, but I abhored the first two seasons, and I'm just not in the right age to appreciate TOS.. Enterprise? Well, let's not go there..  :thumbsup:

Encounter at Farpoint was tragically bad, but then there was a quantum shift in the universe that caused Riker to grow a beard, Worf to grow a brain, and Troi to get hotter.  :D

The rest of the Next Gen is, in my opinion, brilliant. But that's just the Doctor's opinion.  :pimp:

its so sad that im the first one to vote TOS

Well the Original series was inspired at best, charming at worst. Who can forget the dual-universe episode.

Kirk: "You would find me a formidable oponent"

Mirror Spock: "I'm aware of that Captain. I trust you are also aware... of the reverse."

Classic stuff  :P

oops!!! double p on opponent. Damn it  >:(

McCoy: "Are you just gonna walk through them!!?"

Kirk: "Calm yourself Doctor..."

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

I gotta say I love picard and those series.... as well as the kirky shows

I'm torn between the two!

I dunno if i can knock Enterprise... Despite the first three season's, it really did pull it out in it's final year. Anyone who hasn't seen the Ent. Mirror Universe episodes is missing out hugely :D

I liked parts of Voyager, but it could get horribly cheesy sometimes, you know? Still, Kate Mulgrew and Robert Picardo were always spectacular.

TOS had the surprising episodes that were great, but it had terribly cheesy stuff too... So it's just a toss-up.

Deep Space Nine gets my vote... "It's a faaaaake!" :D That's the ST episode i remember best; where Sisko became an accomplice to murder, and manipulated an entire Empire to join his war... Yeah, all the drama of DS9 is what i loved ;)

Well, Voyager finally got my vote but it was a very hard decision.
When DS9 came out I fell in love!  :wub:
The only reason I voted Voyager and not DS9 is, that DS9 would have been better with one season less. There were several weird episodes throughout the last two seasons which ruined DS9 for me.
I can't find the quote so I can't tell you who said this: If you need a Holodeck to tell a story, something's very wrong! (I think it was Ron D. Moore, maybe JMS.)
Unfortunately that's what Voyager did, too. But they had Seven of Nine in their last season and hadn't killed Terry Farrell.  :sweatdrop:

So Voyager got my vote.
If I could have voted for two, I would have voted for DS9 too.

Seven of nine.... *garglearlgarlgle (homer simpson-esque)*

Indeed DS9 was full of drama... which made it soap-operesque. Which isn't bad ya know, just different for a star trek show, maybe...

Quark was hilarious in my opinion. Those early days of DS9 may have been a soap opera, but there's something nostalgic about them...  :whistling:

I admit to giving Enterprise a sympathy vote; it is incredibly unappreciated and in no way deserves the sheer amount of scorn it receives.

you do realize Enterprise was startreks biggest failing and it was the only one ever cancled  :whistling: so that is why I never watched it in reruns

I can't be certain but... I don't think Enterprise was the only series ever cancelled. The original series was "cancelled" after just 3 seasons; Enterprise was lucky enough to see 4 seasons. And it's funny that you should mention re-runs, since it was in re-reuns that the original Star Trek gained its popularity.

No one would argue that TOS was "Star Trek's biggest failing" as you put it. Granted, Enterprise had its sore points, and certainly does not match up to the quality of earlier series. However, you should not judge the value of something by its perceived popularity, or lack thereof. This is the reverse of the "argumentum ad populum", a logical fallacy (see this link: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#populum (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#populum)).

I actually believe that when a significant number of fans dislike a new series, the rest tend to follow suit in a kind of "group response", in other words, the demise of the series tends to become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Add into the mix this reality: the series truly depended on the good will of Paramount, not the fans. The new leader of Paramount was the producer of Buffy, and not too keen on Star Trek. So basically Enterprise had no chance, and was fortunate to see 4 seasons.

I'll admit that certain parts of Enterprise made me cringe. I love space combat but I think even this was overdone, and it was too violent for a Trek series. It was also too sexualized, there was too much shouting, and the continuity flaws were disappointing. On the other hand,  I was charmed to see the development of new technologies, the exploration of strange new planets, and the slow building up of an alliance that would later become the Federation. Season 4 was very good, but I imagine most of the "Enterprise bashers" switched off long before season 4. So I agree with Redshirt, it was an underrated show, and the criticism of it was way out of proportion.

i stopped watching enterprise after like the first 3 episodes. and that's as far as i'm going to go with that.
DS9 got my vote. for many reasons, most of witch doc mentioned. but, i thought it was strange to killoff a very well liked character and replace her with a little whiney brat who kind of looked like her. but, that was more Terry Farrell's doing than anyone else (she quit the show rather abruptly if i recall). i hate to say this but it would have been better to just kill her off, but they wouldn't have quite so much drama with worf & the "dax Clone". i know, i know, i still picked it because even with it's faults i still love it.

Voyager is a close second, and TNG is an even closer third for me. even though TNG is what got me hooked on startrek in the first place. now i still like TOS, even though it has a high camp value. it's just plain simple, very simple fun.

Enterprise was a total failing in my eyes. Not from a money viewpoint, but in how it messed up the established canon history of before. The designs, styling, and special effects might show a more accurate idea of "futuristic" now, but you can't just make a prequel and try to invalidate a previous series. The entire Enterprise show has split Star Trek fans into those who prefer Enterprise over TOS, and those who prefer TOS over Enterprise. It should have never been made. Four series' is enough, Paramount has done it to death now, move on. Leave the rest of the Star Trek universe for the fans to imagine about.

End of rant.

TOS... to be honest I've not watched much of it. I'll have to watch more of the show before I can really comment.

My favourite has to be TNG. It had interesting storylines, both in individual episodes and recurring story arcs. It didn't resort to massive CGI space battles (as in DS9), and didn't mess up the idea of hugely powerful races somewhere "out there", like the Borg. Plus it had Data and Lore... brilliant characters.

DS9 was... interesting. It concentrated too much on special effects, but didn't lose TOO much in the storyline. The inclusion of the Breen was definitely a good move, and the Dominion invasion was also pretty good. The only problem I can see is how people misinterpret the Defiant as a god-ship.

And Voyager... good in how they deal with races like the Kazon and Vidiians. But there's still the issues of time-travel, destroying Borg ships, and just in general how they deal with the Borg. They reduced them from a massively powerful unknown into a "weak", easily combatted pest. Voyager had more trouble with Kazon destroyers in Series 1 than it did against a fleet of Borg Cubes in Season 7.

i think enterprise failing is in the eyes many trekkie fans altho i do know people who thought it was good (manily ppl who dnt give a poo about the trekkie timeline or that sortta thing) i wasnt really convinced about the temperal war since we know that they can time travel properly in the future (as in send whole ships threw time) so how they did that put me of

I like Enterprise the most. The Technogly wasnt there but the courage was, also i think enterprise did well because i knew alot of people who didnt like star trek but the watched enterprise.

I hear that a new animated series is in the works, set in the 2500s.  Well, it will be very... interesting.  :sweatdrop:

i wonder if it will be set around the enterprise-j then.  :D

Right I leave for Switzerland in less than four hours so going to make this brief, anyone who says enterprise deserves to be anal probed. End of the matter i don't want to hear no more.

Voyager was good, and i loved the borg stuff but upon reflection, compare voyager to all the ships in Wolf 359 = not very cannon .... a fleet of ships attack a cube get hammered, a fed ship attacks a fleet of borg and 8479 ships and wins ... although i did love voyager.

DS9 was ok to start but got awesome at the end, no one can deny the awesome ness of the dominion war.

TNG is what got me into trek.

TOS - never had a hige intrest tbh, but still i can happily watch it.

end vote = DS9

I liked DS9 since it showed all the alpha quadrant races.
Focused on expanding the story arc for the alpha quadrant as a whole. plus the Dom war provided great special effects.

Voyager was ok, but the delta quadrant species seemed too detached - more like Star trek entering the Star wars galaxy. It felt as though they were thrown into the plot without any actual back story - like cameos.
Species 8472 was the most connected.


TOS gets me nostalgic, but loses out in story depth and special effects.

TNG was good, and laid the foundation for both DS9 and Voyager, but didn't have as much eye candy or effects.

Enterprise was a bit disappointment. Could have been fun, but the temporal cold war was too far flung - not in concept, just too many factions thrown together. The idea of Silik's people and then the Xindi, and then the Nazi monsters (forgot the names), was just a collage without any theme or sequence.
They should have picked an enemy and expanded on it, revealing more and more. Instead we went from meaningless unknown race1 to meaningless unknown race 2. And they didn't do the kind of job TOS did with the Klingons or TNG did with the Borg or DS9 did with the Dominion, when it came to introducing a new race.

Agreed, Serpicus   :crybaby:

why the tears  :crybaby: ?

Cuz I want a Star Trek that isn't dissapointing/ridden with errors/boring  >:(

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Untitled_Star_Trek_animated_series (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Untitled_Star_Trek_animated_series)

See for yourself...  ^-^

I liked Enterprise; it wasn't my favorite show, and it did certainly have flaws, but I liked it more in several ways than Voyager. I've always enjoyed watching Voyager if I'm in the mood for a Star Trek fix, because it plays like five times a day on various channels, but I never did like the characters that much, with the exception of the Doctor. (Ironic how the only artificial character seemed more natural than the rest of them...) Also, I love the Borg, but I think Voyager really, REALLY overused them at points; the first episode where they hint the Borg might become involved in the series, I actually felt a shiver run down my spine. But after three seasons, whenever the Borg popped up I reacted more with a 'meh, cyber people again.'

My favorite show is probably The Next Generation because it was basically a Star Trek rebirth; it was the show where you really felt that it wasn't just a ship, but a community, and there was almost a sense of family.

I also liked TOS, partly because some of their special effects bordered on hilarious (flying fake vomit back-clingers, anyone?) and the interactions between McCoy, Spock and Kirk were priceless.

I don't get any DS9 on my channels, so I can't pass judgment either way. >_>

Well, hmmmm....

I grew up on TNG and watched TOS over and over too. DS9 was excellent, and I think probably the most realistic depiction of the Trek universe (grey vs. B/W). TNG did some grey world work too though. I can't really stand most of Voyager, torch bearer of Deus Ex Trekkie Machina. Enterprise was decent, but yeah some of it is very weak. It has its redeeming qualities though.

Overall, I kinda go by the feel of the show and how much I liked the actors/characters. I think DS9 and TNG had by far the best cast. No contest, really. I'm having a really tough time deciding which I would think best though. I'd vote for both TNG and DS9 if I could. Each has flaws so it's hard to go with one over the other.

I suppose though that I'd have to go with TNG. That show is like an integral part of me. :)

Welcome to the Flip Flops Forums swaaye!  B)

You express a very balanced view which I happen to agree with. I think TNG and DS9 both have a different flavour so it's hard to make comparisons. A strong point of TNG is that each episode is more or less self-contained so it's easier to keep track of. But DS9 has very interesting strategy and politics IMHO.

Enterprise was my favorite followed by DS9, TOS, VOY then TNG and TAS.

ds9 had a rather weak start somehow; I do like this more "epic" storytelling concept, where you tell a story over several episodes, rather then that closed concept, where each episode deals with a closed story;

So I did more grow up with TOS, then TNG or DS9;