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Well I have tried pasents and as I posted be for human pashents has limits.
'moral superiority'... superior to any one.

and all so in power/controle. other Christian grups don't fite back nearly enough ... Funny you should say that. I was just reading this: http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/07/03/08/flash.mac.future/ (http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/07/03/08/flash.mac.future/)

Macs suck.

www.godhatesfags.com.

That's christians taking it a little far.

BUT THEY DON'T SHOVE THEIR BELIEFS DOWN YOUR THROAT!.

not now days, though it was (as many religions have been) used as an excused to go to war... the cruisades (sp).

i personly don't believe in a religion. i have nothing against those that do so long as they don't force their beleifes on me :)  

Same here, I'm not religious.

But ewm see's a divide between him insulting jesus.

And me insulting his godless liberal ***.

Look, ewm, if you say they are bad, the worst way to get your point across is to make yourself look even worse.

Macs run wile PCs crash.

Thanks for proving my point.

Not nerly far enuff.

We have a presadent how is forsing scools to tech crashonisom as a altrnitive to evalution. and is forsing schools remove sintifacly provin facts becuss thay clash with religose bleefs.  - If thats not craming it down ones throt I dont know what it!!!!

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I dont care what you think of me. I do care what people thing. I am just saying what most thing but are to cowed to say. - Its time people stand up and remove religon from pollatics. Thare must be a spration between cherch and state!

As an alternative.

I'm Canadian. First off. Lol.

But, AS AN ALTERNATIVE!

AS A CHOICE!

FORCING IT AS A CHOICE IS NOT FORCING IT AT ALL!

LOLS PWNED.

But if one is a fact and the uther is basted on fath teching the same makes people think that are both fact and techers are not alowed to give thare opions.

But still, you try to TWIST things into your own view.

I, am not religious and I beleive in Evolution.

But if they teach both of them as fact and as even.

THEN THAT GIVES CHILDREN THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES!

Well by not telling tham that creationisms is just a theory and unprovin is twisting things. Plus a teachers job is to tech its her/his job to offer opions and different ways of vowing logic.

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But one is a fact this other is a unproven religious bleef. and should be tot as so.

But if you don't give them the facts and different ponts of vuwe they cant make a fare desition. Religion is a faith not a sincens so is should not be tot in school, school should teach of it not about it.

Evolution is also unproven.

Also MACS SUCK!

And the world agrees.

I think not. where do you live in a cave?
Evaluation was proven by Charles Darwin:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/...40113075946.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040113075946.htm)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/)

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/3b700...ecbccdrcrd.html (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/3b700b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html)

About Darwin -  Charles Robert Darwin was born on 12 February,1809 fifth of six children of Robert Waring Darwin and Susannah,daughter of Josiah Wedgwood. ... born in Briton.
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http://www.public.coe.edu/departments/Biol...darwin_bio.html (http://www.public.coe.edu/departments/Biology/darwin_bio.html)

http://www.darwinday.org/ (http://www.darwinday.org/)
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Macs are better than PCs I dont evin know what that would make PCs if a computer that is vastly better sucks.

World agrees with me =-D

Evaluation was proven by Charles Darwin?


I've NEVER HEARD OF THIS THEORY BEFORE!?
PLEASE HELP ME OUT.

The theory of Evaluation?

WELL I EVALUATE THINE THEORY AND LABLE IT BLASPHEMY!

Wow I'm a ****.

Yes 200y ago

(1) their are no objectives...... Some one needs to hit the books.
(2) What project desines is he/she toking about?
(3) NO! evaluation is a bunch of mutations that help life adapt. Thar are no aims/gaols its all basted on chance.

Go to school they will tech you allot of things.

The only theory left to Evaluation is in what way did it happen. We are 200y past the pont of asking did it happin.

BLASPHEMY! - Thank god the church is not running things any more.....

Yes you WON!!! ------------------------------------------------- a free trip to school!
 

Children.... calm down plz.

1. This thread is very confusing

2. "I'm not religious and believe in Evolution" makes a very funny sens to me

3. Charles Darwin brought up a hypothesis (Origin of Species) which was then ranked up on the level of a THEORY that brought it to the Theory of Evolution which remained until today. A theory is defined as a sum of scientificly established statements which are not yet refused nor ranked up to the level of an ultimate law...also known as a "nature law" like the law of gravity.
That means that evolution could be a fact but don't has to be. That's the reason why scientists permanently changer their opinion because a new thing arose on the dark horizon of uncertainty and change older statements...but HEY thats the way it goes in science. Just facts they found can be stored as a part of the whole thing. Through that the ones who say that evolution is a fact I have to say that you are trapped into the big paradigma which is as false as the creationist's opinion who remain strictly on their attitude.
And here lies the dangerous core. Belief and science is incompatible when it comes to an argue because it's a completely different thing. Science is a material when belief is a spiritual thing.
BUT that doesn't mean that evolution and belief is incompatible or science is working against religions or religions against science. The sad thing is...they just do so (but they musn't) and that's why I'm sick of the whole story. For me it's also important that state (including school) is separated from religion to guarantee that there is no twist between groups which could hide the things that really count.
You know what...I am Christian but I don't let myself influence from people who shout out what they think it's the ultimate truth. I search for myself and for me I find things in nature that shows me that there is someone. But I don't take the right to say how this one made it because I don't know. I just recognize.
Searching for truth is never false because there is just one truth like time is defined and we have to die and we will know what is true earlier or later.



what was that mac thing?

I am com if I was any more com I would be a sleep.

Yes it is to some one how is not well versed in the US political system.

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O some people are Microsoft colt members and don't wont to buleve what they learn from comersuls is not real.
 

First off evolution is a theory and so is creationism I happen to be religious and I still think that evolution is the most likely expansion so fare for our existence but that does not mean that it is the way we came in to existence there is still no concrete evidence to prove evolution. also i live in the U.S. and i have never had any teacher try to shove evolution or creationism down my throat in fact is there was any bias it was toward evolution.

And for your information the first amendment to not say the separation of church and state it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
This does not mean that religion cannot be in government it just means that government can not force religion on the people.
 

Evalution is a fact did you evin read the links I posted.... Thay have found bones and fosalised remainse of all of the staged up to human. It is 100% a fact at this pont. - It has never ben provin that santa is fake but the facts we have tell us uther wise. I could say santa is realy and thare is no way you could make a full proff agument that he not. Same gos for evalution evalution is a fact but if you wont to debate it thares no whay earther side can win.

Thats way ower consatution says "under god" and Press bush had a prare be for he was anograted presadent. and I could go one....
But when people repersenting the us say god not all of us bleave or wonted to be fumilerised with we see as a silly colt like organisation.

The goverment is suposted to repersent us and for tham to asom wee all like the word god is a cleer vilation that we have all come to exspet.

ewm, are you offended by the word 'god'?

No I am ofened by the stupied / sick things that have / are being caring out in the name of god. I dont hate religon I hate what religon terns some in to. It may suprise you that I go to cherch now and than and I participate in chearch fushons now and than.

- I do not bleev in god.
- I think orgised religon devides people.
- I think religon is raging out of controle and has ben for ages.
- I dont hate god.
- I dont hate those how do I feel sorry for tham.

Evolution is a Theory!!!!!!!

The only fact in life is there is no such thing as a fact

ask any real scientist or teacher and they will tell you that Evolution is a theory a very good theory one with a lot of evidence to support it but is still a theory non the less.

We have the the facks you can hold tham in your hand.......

If you wach the news that just fownd the missing link.

Side notes:

Zbigniew brzezinski says, if Iraq terns in to a regonal war be for we leave we will be stuck in Iraq for 20 years or more and would the end of americn as the world super power.

Battal ship wich is what you have in your sig SHO260 be came obsolete in WW2 aftter the air craft cairer came in to play. - The japanes Battleship Musashi, was sank by air craft caryors be for its guns evin came in to rage.

While the carrier did become come the center of the navy after WW2 the battleship was still useful and in servis into the 90's in fact it shelled Iraqi positions in Kuwait in the first gulf war.

They have their uses as support ships but they are not what you would call: U.S. Military Spending at its Finest

I'd like to point out that while darwin did not prove evolution, this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution) essentially has.  The truth of the matter though is that it is an inherant impossibility for anything to be proved absolutely, but as far as almost proving it, evolution is just as valid, if not more so, than many theories which are not disputed simply because they do not conflict with religeous doctrine.  One day it might be proven that black is white and we'll all get killed at the next crosswalk.

Of cores you cant prove that a man was on the moon but its a fact their was a man on the moon.

But why at this point their is no competing theory like we can from a space station called Atlantis. but at this point we relay have no reason to differ with the virtually proven.

I was just being a **** about him typoing evolution.

I thought you'd all like my joke of posting the definition of evaluation.

Lol.

Macs suck that's fact.
Macs suck.
Macs suck.
Macs suck.

But ewm, horrible things have been carried out in the name of science and evolution too.

Nazi Germany, much?

The "Aryan Race" was an evolution.

No it doesn't. It simply tells us that there is already existing genetic information in the genes of the moth which expresses different kinds of colors over the whole moth population. It shows us that species can adapt to environments and so have an advantage to other individuals of the population. Say the white moths are raped on the brown underground but the brown moths survive. That's what is called natural selection and in time just the brown individuals remain and give their genetic information to the next generation (gene pool).
BUT that doesn't mean that the "white" gene is gone. It is still there but because it's a non dominant gene it's hide somewhere on an DNA sequence. AND KNOW here comes the proof that this is NOT meant by evolution: No genetic information was added to the existing moth genes though environmental influence ( e.g. mutagenes).
So the moth does not proof that out of a plain cell a higher organized organism was born. But that doesn't mean that it is impossible that right this could happen (the addition of genes to the old stock). Now this is the proof that the theory is still a theory because it was not yet shown that there was a happening like that which made sens, means which gave an individual a positive boost in fitness like a new color ( say red which hold others from eating it)

.... why do I believe that you all have absolutely no clue what you are talking about? You all adapt opinions from others and stick it to you own few of sight and out comes just a painful blabla?! First get your heads into the media before telling people how it is. There is no proof anywhere there are just parts of the whole thing which COULD be true. And every real scientist is not sharing the opinions of the most of which is posted here. Because it's not true. (sry)

'cause we all are not so educated as you are, Jan of BORG. We are just simple potato farmers.

Oh btw: someone was asking for a high space creation theory:: go and ask Tom Cruise, or the dark haired lass from JAG or Isaac Hayes. They will surely explain EVERYTHING to you.

Oh btw: Darwin also made some mistakes, in his theory; I think especially regarding women and the concept of monogamy. So happy flaming i wish to you all

Sorry Mort, but you fail to make the distinction between microevolution (which is proven) and macroevolution (which is not).  You see, the ability for a moth to adapt is different from a single-cell lifeform sprouting legs.  After all, even after the moth adapts, it's still a moth.

I believe it takes far more faith to believe that everything was formed out of a giant explosion than created by a supreme Being. No matter how hard scientists work to prove the Bible's account of creation wrong, the more evidence they find to the contrary. Most of what is still taught in elementary education science books was proven wrong decades ago and is no longer accepted by the scientific community.

Hearing others thoughts only solidifies what I hold to be true.

Some of the comments posted here make me give up any hope for the fucher of the human race. Haw brain washed is USA I mean faith is one this but when faith be comes more real the the world around you thats not a religion its a colt. 

The way SOME religious people are so programed it can be called paranoid dlushanol scitsufrina. I can garinty that in 150y years from now if the human race is still around people well be shocked at how religion can tern grown sane people in to mental ill crazy people.

The world is not flat and theirs nothing in the bible that justify ignoring pore people or for that mader bashing gay people and so on.....

I know i'm going to hate myself for this but.....
Few things, one. I am a Christian, i have faith in Jesus Christ of Nazzareth NOT religion, i go to church weekly, i have also left church in mid service and told pastors they were wrong and on the edge of 'sin', in the days that followed i was proven right. Any thing can become a religion, "i religiously listen to music loud in my car" or "I religiously check this site for V3". a religion can be a cult. a cult dosnt see reason, it is blind and draining, it also is painful, been there done that. i almost hated God, but then i figured out it was stupid people not God.
Two, why do you (Ewm90, Other Christian bashers) ram your ideals down my throat? Why do i loose my job because i believe in something? why cant i be herd by my facts? why must you tell me how i must think? You want to teach people that they came from apes so be it, but at lest show my side as well, you will let your kids decide what they ware. when they ware it, who they marry , whether there gay, how long they love you, who they have sex with and how often, you let them decide all this but you cant let them decide between Evolution and Creationism? If it is so clear that Evolution is the right one then let them see it. my word, you sound like a hypocrite now.
Three, Mac and Pcs will become one, it is mandatory for the one world order.   :borg:

*whew*

This will be a big one.

@ Dirty Harry:

Well put.  For instance, Haeckel's embryo drawings, which were faked so that they would be more convincing.  It is obvious that Haeckel was willing to compromise science to prove a point, and it makes you wonder how much else of evolution suffers from similar faking...


@ ewm:

So what you say is to trust only in ourselves, because that is what we perceive everything through, and therefore trusting in anything else is foolish?

I'm sorry, ewm, but it's not faith that will end humanity, on the contrary, it's humanity's failure to trust that will destroy it, and looking down on those who do trust is a very, very foolish outlook.  No, ewm, it is I who am sorry for you.

Also, as per your previous comment that evolution is a proven fact, if it is, than you should be able to explain how life started, considering that the odds against it are in the realm of scientific impossibility.

Alas, ewm, spontaneous generation was also considered a fact, and if you know as much as you claim to, you will also know what happened to it.  If you are truly as open minded as you claim, then you will understand that this may very well be the same fate that awaits the theory of evolution.


This is true.  That is why I don't advocate a religion.  I don't even participate in one.  No, what I have is both a faith and a relationship, and is not decided by someone else for me, rather, it is something that I chose to trust in.

Oh, and I'm suprised that you believe that humanity will still be around in 150 years.


Of course the world isn't flat.  the Bible doesn't claim that it is.  Also, anyone who truly lives by the Word of God does not ignore the poor, and helps them instead.  Likewise, it is not a Cristian ideal to hold what someone does against them, and just because we believe that what they do is wrong does not give us the right to equate the person with the sin.


@ MJP:


Not much more to say to this, other than that I completely and wholeheartedly agree.

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A. Well I could retern the Q and reverse it. I feel under constant assolt from the crichtion orginisation and a SOME crichtion buleavers.

B. Be cuss its a fact most uther contrays laff at us becuss meny in the usa think its a lie.

C. You dont understand what I bleave I do have have limets to what I think is desint.

D. Well of cores if my kids are gay thay are gay and nuthing eany one can do about it. So i think it would be torcher to tray to tech tham uther wise. of cores thare is a a age that a kids brain cant make the desinstion, kids under the age of 18 brains have not developed anuff to make big destions like sex. But if thay are going to have it thare nuthing eany one can do I will just make shere that thay have the tools to pertect tham selfs.

E. If thay desined to be come a evagelical I will suport tham. I will suport tham on eany path thay wont to take. with in reson.

F. Well I hate to tell you the world is not flat.

3)
I t hink thay will become some thing far better than just make and PC I hope Mac PC and Linex will all merge at some pont.

Ewm, forgive me if i get this out of context to your post, it is rather confusing as i do not know what it is your addressing in each point.

Rebuttal to point A: Help me understand your term assault. for me it conotates a danger. if that is the case then i would ask what danger do they put you in? it must not be physical, for if it it were then you would call the cops, so it must be mental, in that case, what is it that you can loose? or have damaged? you already have a decency gage (point C).
Rebuttal to point B: ??? i don't understand this. one, to what it is referring in the context and two, what do  we think is a lie?
Rebuttal to C: every one dose. some think that getting drunk every day is  good some don't. its normal   combat mind set.
Rebuttal to D: your point folds itself. the first sentence is negated by the second. your last sentence how ever has some merit.  but then if you only hand them the screwdrivers to use they will never understand the hammer?
Rebuttal to E: Champion, but reason is a variable, if one were to shoot some one in say hate then it is unreasonable if in defense reasonable.  Soon i fear that people will be telling me that my faith is unreasonable and terminate me. 
Rebuttal to F: this is cold ewm, the idea that you wold use this is just...well wrong. I have not thrown out science, i am using it. im not antiquated im on the same level as you, i just have a different faith then you. treat me with some respect, as i have shown you.

if Linex merges we would loose open source that means out side control and money flow.

A. Bush and this Justis departent thats cutting down abortion now. Basicy forceing thare will and vowie on uthers Like blocking the vaccine in Texas, thare is the case cherchis asking like campane offices - The Justis department is the cops.... I just have to what a another 2 years. Your right I do thats what makes me different.

B. (I am referring to creationism) Have you ever asked your self why the EU is desecuralized and why the USA is loosing bleevers all the time....

C. Well I disagree. But that is a debate I dont think is winnable.

D. I dont see it that way. What I was trying to say will is seems I failed to do so is: If some one is gay thay are gay and their not a darn thing that can be done or should be done. Well I am glad that we can agree on some thing  :woot: I understand the metifor. I do not understand what you are referring to.

E. I think its unresaule. But I repect that you bleave in it. 

F. I think its a good pont. I mean the words most unproductive time is the dark ages when crichanaty was at its strongest point. What hapined in that time some of the darkest evints in history.

I respect you my post was to try to try to show you how upsered the things religion makes people think really are. I intened no disrepect and am sorry if you fout it offisive it was not meant in a offensive way.

A: I wont touch the Bush note as i am not as versed as i once was on politics. I will on campaign churches, i am assuming your talking about money grabbing ones, if not  then ones that think that  the crusades were of God, they weren't. I don't like them ether, i refer you to my first post on this thread, first parigrafe.

B: i don't know what desecuralized means.

C:lol aye but so important.

D:You did not fail in telling me what you ment. you just contradicted your self by saying.
That would conotate nurture not nature, if that is the case then the end can be modified. It is unfortunate that any studies on this matter have all been biased.   I think that i was not clear in my metafor it was not the right one to use. what i mean to say is that you give them choice and show them things but give no guidance. power with out structure is deadly, likewise structure without power is also deadly.

E:what do you find unreasonable? my faith? many do. many laugh at me, many tell me im an idiot, many tell me im stupid, many tell me im a tool, some dont let me have work, some dont let me be me, some try to change me, fix me, bend me. Yet im the one that smiles when i go home, im the one that is there to help them first when they need it, im the one that they trust when they need trust. they will hand me hundreds to hold on to for them because im 'good' yet they still call me a fool. that dosnt stand to reason.

F: LOL
Since 1845 16 million members added, 3,000-plus missionaries in 94 countries by 1980 and 30,000 volunteers in 2000.  http://www.imb.org/core/aboutus.asp http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/
27 countries http://www.abaptist.org/general.html
this site is hard to navigate but, http://www.nazarene.org/Default.aspx
that there is three different denominations that are working. Our greatest time is now, not then. no were near then. its just all you hear because no one wants to hear it.
Some of the work that is done cant be told about on the internet  because  the people in the countries could be killed for it. yet churches grow and people believe.   not by force. 
I understand what you were saying now, not hurt any more.

 

A. I am toking about churches that are and where dering the 2002 elections telling there congrations to vote for Bush. Thare was alot more to the dark ages than just the crusades as bad as they where.

B. probably because I miss spieled it I meant no longer relisus"

C.mmm

D. I give tham gidents I tell tham its rong and why but I dont for a second asome thay understand or take my advise. The thing with kids you will learn to many rules ends up in rebeluse behaver but to littal stucher can lead to being spoiled you need to have a balense. - in uther words I agree.

E. I find the way the faith is handled, vowed, and used to justify so many abuses. 

F. But lost many in the USA and the EU Christianity is moving to Africa and many other devliping conterys. Your links did not say how many where lost.... That last link reminded me of a colts web page the colt is called the family: http://www.thefamily.org/  http://www.nazarene.org/Default.aspx The faily was formed from a crichen brainch that was kicked out of the religion be cause of their belefes  wich include peta fela and a form of prostitution- they send woman and men out to have sex in exchange you much jone ower church.  Evin the crazy DR phill http://drphil.com/shows/show/591 has done a episodee on it. http://www.exfamily.org/index.htm a sick spin off.

Whoo, this will be a long one and I'm not sure I can do it all in one go, but here it is anyway.

For the sake of time, I will only be responding to ewm's posts (or something completely outrageous that somebody else said).


1) ewm, I live in Texas, and I know more about it than you do.

A. The vaccine hasn't even been tested on teenage and preteen girls, so for all we know the side effect could be terrible.

B. It hasn't even been proven effective among the target age group.

C. It's nothing more that a moneymaking scheme my those grinches at Merck.

2) No churches almost NEVER act like campaign offices.  Put down the kool-aid, ewm.

3) Umm, the cops are part of the Justice department.  Heck, the JD IS THE COPS.


You realize that "desecularized" means that it is NOT secular, right?

Anyway, there's no way that you can make a connection between that and any other point and still draw a conclusion based on the information presented that is applicable to anything.


I absolutely and entirely disagree.

Christianity was actually at its weakest.

A Christian is defined as someone who tries to emulate Christ.  Not many people could rightfully claim that during the times you speak of.


Post 2:


So pastors aren't entitled to their political opinion?


Indeed, faith has been used to justify terrible things in the past; but so has science.  Yet you don't have a problem with science.

Two things, similar situations, yet you only hold it against one of them.  Why?


The situation is to early and obscure to be making any rash judgments on it, and I know that you know that, ewm.  So I won't patronize you.  Nothing can be determined, so I'll leave it alone.

A. Good to know.

B. The vaccine's has bean in the use for a wile now and they wont know the health effects until its used with a large population. There is so much up role about unknown helth effects of this drug but people don't seem to care about the other drugs the FDA rubber stamps with even less testing.

C. I have lost you....

2) In the south they do in serton areas.

3) yep.

From Quote, Yes.

I am tiered and don't have as much time to go looking for links as I have in the past I ask you to prove me rong.

From Quote, Well when the cherech can tell the king what to do thats not weak.

Well if you try to match most people that call them self Crichton to the 10 commencements I think you will find most don't qualify.

Post 2:
From Quote,

Not if it violates separation of church and state.

From Quote,

Like what????? Sients is not about justifying its about proving or disproving.

Be cuss that one is efecting meny peoples lives in negitvly and actively.

From Quote,

Well thats what we are seeing a a growing terind. and Its has ben going on for over 30y now.

Id just like to say that a PASTOR is here to teach us the word of GOD.  so, if GOD says abortions are evil then it is part of the PASTORS  JOB to tell us to vote for the anti-abortion canidate.  otherwise they would be hypocrittes.  they would be picking and choosing the parts that they like in the bible and you can't do that.  it's all or nothing bud.

P.S. "ABORTION IS MURDER"-GOD

Wen did GOD ever say abortion is evil? I think you need to read the bible again. Thar is a good reason why their is a separation of chearch ans state with out it democracy would not be posabule.

abortion is the same as murder.  what  is the 6th commandment?-thou shall not KILL.
a fetus is alive, destroying it is killing it which violates the ten commandments
p.s.Don't tell ME to read the bible when I do every night.  when was the last time YOU went to church EWM?

Guys, please stop, its messed up to talk about something like that in here, but btw abortion is in a sense killing something that is alive, for something to be alive it needs to have some sort of intelligence to have the capacity of its own existence which is a little tricky because true a fetus isn't a full grown human being but it has the capability of becoming a human being.  To say abortion isn't murder is saying smashing a rare birds egg with your foot isn't killing that bird; which last I checked smashing a rare birds egg is murder in the United States... :pinch: and on another note if there is a car accident and if one of the victims is a fetus the person responsible will be brought up on murder charges for killing that fetus so yes killing a fetus is against the law :ermm:.  I hate politics because all it is the top of the food chain manipulating the lessors in a game of power; Democrats lie, Republicans lie, everyone lies to gain power, that is a fact...Like the quote "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" so if you think your "side" is telling you facts you are just naive and stupid, and just stop talking now because what you say about ethics and morals are just lies from your "idols."  Ewm90 please stop talking or should I say typing...about stuff you don't really know because all you say against other people are the lies and half truths from your "idols" so if you want to join in a disagreement such as this please bring real evidence and cognitive thought in your presentation of your side or all you are saying is just unsupported filth :whistling:; sorry I'm a little testy with you it just gets me that all Ive seen from most posts about politics and other polar topics from a lot of people, don't bring anything that can actually be substantiated like an educational journal or something that isn't profiting from politics in the least.  But back to the main topic, abortion is killing someone or something, whatever you prefer to call a fetus, not because its a full grown human being but because it will become a human being with a mind and soul just like any of us.  But in a few instances I believe abortion should be allowed at least to the women are violated and have a child or medical difficulties that could lead to the great pain or death of the mother :(.  I can comprehend to some of the girls that this happens too, I would also be afraid of what would happen.  So abortion is killing someone      under the law to a degree and within 5-10 years it will be finalized but I can also imagine what the girl or women in question is thinking and feeling so it would be correct in both instances.  And please don't bring religion in this just yet, it might be wrong or right I doubt anyone really knows.  Just my two cents, or should I say two dollars... Almost forgot, about ewm90's last statement about the seperation of church and state, that is actually a misconception because if the seperation of church and state was true then only white males would have the right to vote, blacks would still be in slavery, there would be no immigration into the United States, there would be no religion, and actually there wouldn't be much of a democracy.  Have you seen the back of the $1 bill?  Do you know what the eye on the top of the pyramid means?  The eye on the top stands for the all knowing eye of God.  There are so many instances of Christianity in our government you have no idea and all these instances has helped in the past, is helping now, and will help us in the future to create a bastion of freedom and liberty for all that want it.  :innocent: This is way too long...again.

Ummmm, no, it's not.  The vaccine is brand-spanking new.  If it had already been in widespread use, there would be far less controversy.


I'm disappointed in you, ewm.  Are you saying that you don't know that the vaccine costs something like $375 for one shot?  And are you saying that you didn't put together how much $$$ Merck would pocket if this was MANDATORY?!  I'm surprised that you of all people are oblivious to Merck's obvious motivation: Greed.  Not health.  Greed.


True.

So you use the actions of the few to judge the many?

How heartless and unrealistic of you, ewm.


So, whats the big deal?


Perhaps clarifying your original point would help.


That doesn't mean that it was Christian, and therefore that does not mean that it's even applicable to what you're using it for.


Have you forgotten about forgiveness?  You claim to have once been a Christian.  If you were, than you'd understand that it truly is the thought that counts, both positive and negative.  A fundamental doctrine put forth by Christ is that, if you truly repent in your heart, you will be forgiven.

Ironically, many people who call themselves "Christian" don't even know what it's about, and fail to understand that it's not about going to church every Sunday and trying to be a good person.

To but it in basic terms, I will simply use John 14:6.

"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


I know this wasn't even to my post, but I can't resist.

Ewm, you do know that the only thing in the constitution referring the the "separation between church and state" only prohibits the establishment of a state religion (ie the church of england), right?

However, the constitution unequivocally guarantees the right to religious expression, right?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what I'm saying, ewm.

c. Thats god with out saying. I don't know what you are referring t I have lost the origins of this point.

2. Thats way I say some.

3. Lost the point.

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From Quote, Well it being a church and all and all the history books I have read say is was Crichton and this is the 1st time I have heard any kind of doubt about tham being Crichton.

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Well if God was to prates what he perches.  The bible is a very bloodthirsty book. and if most people in this grate contery of ours where forgive full our jails mite ashly reabilate people .

agreed. But some arnt evin good people many think its just about going to church  I fear it mite be most.

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LoL

If we did not have it I promise you this conteroy would go in to the dark ages so fast it would make your bible spin. I mean with people like pres Bush in this world how call them selves Conservative but nothing of what they do is what makes a conservative a conservative. conservative = conserve. They would warp things so in to a twisted mess.

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For a while there, I couldn't figure out whether you were replying to my post or not.

I will try to intemperate your "rebuttal"(?!) and reply to your actual point rather than a mutual misunderstanding.


The origin?

This is the origin:

I am saying that you are wrong.  The vaccine is new.



I'm not sure what you mean, so I'll simply reassert my point:  Merck is pushing this vaccine not out of the goodess of their hearts, but out of greed.



Oh, come on, ewm.  Put some effort into it.

You said that certain churches in the south act as political soap-boxes.  I agree.  However, what I don't agree with is that you use the actions of those few churches to judge Christianity as a whole.



*sigh*

We have already agreed that a Christian is one who lives his life to emulate Christ.

Do you honestly think that the "church" is those days tried as a whole to emulate Christ?!

No, even you can't be THAT ignorant...

Indeed, the church was wrapped up in mindless and pointless ritual.  Most had never even read the Bible.

Few, if any, had any basic understanding of who Christ is and what He taught.

I, for one, cannot call this "Christian".



From one who hasn't studied the Bible, I can see how it can be interpreted this way.

I encourage you to go to a scholar in the Bible and have him explain the context of these events.  I guarantee that if you go into it with an open mind, you will come out understanding how none of it is contradictory.



Indeed.  Something like 95-98%.  Only about 2% have a true understanding of what the Bible says.



I don't see what this has to do with my point.  What I was saying is that there is a balance in the Constitution.

I can go out in public and pray all I want and there is nothing against it in the Constitution.

I was not ignoring you I just replayed to how ever replayed last because replaying take so darn long lol.

2. Merak is a corporation even know they are defined as a person they do not have a hart.

3. LOL I could make this a full time job.

Not true I am a cerintion if I like it or now and I go to church ones in a blue moon some church some what get it.

From Quote: I think they thot whey where as much as the conservative part buleave that they can abuse the creation community as much as thay wont to get votes.

Well maybe ones of these you will take of the bear goggles. That make every body look like their only motivation is to do good... Crupt positions lives for people like you. This is the true world we live in.

Meany people in the bible belt  are not all that knowledgeable about the bible.

Meany people to day are being lied to again by their religious leaders Jews/Cerictions/Muslims.

I for one cant call whats going on to day creation ether.

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I have a fogy understanding of the bible anuff to know its a relay bloody book with lots of hummer that was ration for a nether time its clear how ever made it did not intend for it to be any where as influentials as it is now. 

It may surprise you that I just resonantly took a introductory class on the book with my paster. My church http://www.stmarks.net/. From the class with the help of the paster I found how condory dictory the book is.

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agreed. - It will also surprise you that my dance instructor is going to seminary and is going to work as a missionary in Africa wile she is trained.

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Thar should not be a balents they should leave each other alone.   

This is a placeholder post.  I'll make this into a reply when I have a chance.

To make a quick rebuttal about ewm90, why can't you type correctly?  If you have a medical problem or something that is one thing but if you want to try to make a point across you should try to type it correctly so the people you are talking too knows what you are saying.  But back too the discussion at hand, I have studied a little about Christianity and a few other religions in my spare time and taken a few classes in ethics from each individual religion and you know what you find out if you look into just about any religion such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism?  They all have a central theme for what to do which is quoted from the Bible "Love thy neighbor as thyself".  O, and ewm90 if you think the Bible is too bloodthirsty you should go read it, forget trying to get in a class or something, if you really want to learn about a topic you know very little about you should just slowly read it, make notes, and find what it means too you because the Bible was not made to make everyone think a specific way.  The Bible was created on individual accounts compiled into one book and its purpose is to spread a state of being not a "religion" in a sense because the Bible is cryptic in many areas and different people interpret it in different ways but if you read the whole book and understand it than you will have a better understanding of not just Christianity but life as well.  To follow "Christianity" there is not one path that leads to God, there are many smaller paths because people are different and unique.  I'm not even a Christian; I'm agnostic, I have my values and I do know there is a God out there wherever there is but I don't know what God is.  But I also do not go to church that often but I try to live by my code of ethics, which somehow almost exactly coincide with the 10 commandments...  One other thing ewm90, what you stated in your last post doesn't make much sense because you first say that the religious leaders lie too you and everyone else but you go to a class led by a pastor, and religious leaders gain nothing for lying too you, maybe a little money but they don't gain anymore power if they lie too you, what you should be concerned about are people in politics, they know how to lie and they do all the time and when they give you a smile you should watch your back because that smile is created with teeth of knives.  If you want to find something that is bloodthirsty look into politics.

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Spell checker only work well if you know which word on the list is correct and thats just if the word is close anuff to the world you are try to say. Some times I am in a harry and don't have the time to fix every thing. I am almost always close anuff to the word I am trying to say people can finger it out + its what you say not how you type it.

Well my paster of my chearch agrees that it is relay relay bloody and full of sultry jokes. But like any thing made in that area you must keep the time it was made in mind.

Love you nabber than commit mass genocide - Knowa and the ark, sodam and Gamora Bering entire city's populations to death, drowning army's parting of the sea, their Eberhame and Isac, and more.

Ya, but it also helps to articulate what you say, but yes the Bible is a little gruesome in a few areas but if you understand the whole concept of it you know the blood and stuff is just what happened, not what it wants everyone to do; and there aren't really any jokes in it.  If you find a sultry joke in it please let me know.

The bible is fiction there is know way god flooded the world but yet theres no evidents of a flood. There are many advents that correspond with advents cataloged in the bible. Yes the times the bible was set in was bloody if you check out the HBO seres Rome it will show you what kinda world Jesus came from.

Yes there are jokes all over it they do not make scents to us because they where made in a coacher that was so very very different from this. I do not remmiber them ut like I said thay may not a peer to us as a joke.

So what is this all about please?
I've been watching this discussion for several days now, not to say from its beginning. Guys, you're arguing about religion which leads to what?

Well, ewm, if you regard religion as a curse and the Bible as a book written by bloodthirsty freaks, hardly anyone - presuming he or she is just tolerant enough - would try to prevent you from doing so.
But in the moment you let others know your thoughts you have to expect comments on that.

Now this is mine:
In the first instance religion is nothing to discuss about. Morals are. If you (ewm) want to tell us, you wanted to discuss the last mentioned, I suggest you try to find an explanation for everything posted here before not forgetting the title of this topic. Jesus is not morals. Jesus is religion.

If you tell us, ewm, the Bible is full of jokes but you can't remember even one of them and, however, times were so different from now that we wouldn't understand these jokes anyway, how serious do you think you can be taken?

If you want to wage a war against the Bible or any religion do it at home with your doors and windows shut and locked. But please stop that here!
 
It's insulting, unrespectful and an absolute waste of time.
If someone is a true believer you won't ever stop her or him from being which leads to one point: There is absolutely no sense in you arguing about religion or believs. If you want to discuss morals, please do so - but keep Jesus (or what religious figure ever) out of it. Please.

And a last note: Christians do not try to emulate Christ. Christians share the values, the morals Jesus lived. The Christian religion - at least in Europe - is never about becoming like God, it is about God revealing himself to us. So Christianity per se - fanatics, freaks and some cruel historic episodes aside - is far away from any claim of superiority and domination. Christianity is not about supplanting others. Christianity is about community with God and nothing more or less.

Thanks for reading.

This thread is a contusion of a diction  that was in the wrong place which now lives in this tread. I have been hear for years and I try not to instolt people if I can. I think I have done a pretty good job. If you have a thin skin don't read this topic.

The conversations we have change from time to time so theirs no real good name. I gave it the name of the topic we where toking about at the time.

Well it was a wile ago I took the class. I don't have time nor do I wont to bother my paster over this.

Well 1st I am not waging war on the religion I am relay mad at the way it is used to day and in the past. + I am offering a option which I can not get the feed back like I get on here seeing I live in a place whare people share simaler blueffs. We are all adults here If this thread bothers you don't read it problem solved.

If you think its a wast of time why have you bean wasting 3 days reading it?
I am not trying to stop them I am trying to give them the information of how they are being abused and used like battery's by polatitions

I will not keep Jesus out of it. He is so inflinchal on the way my country think it is very necessary to talk about him.

Well they think they do at lest some of them and some of those people are incontroll of the most powerful in the wold.

Not where I live people wont to live in god image.

I which the way the EU  thought of god was the way US Crichton's thought of him but they are changing the the laws to fores other to live in the way they think we should live

God Bless

I see you didn't really get my point. Whatever. What has Vista to do with it anyway?
Uhm, forget about it..

If your questioning the sanity of some people in the US and the way religion is abused there I fully agree with you.

It was refrying to part of the original topic that was inappropriately located in a another thread. 

Yes I am but I would not say sanity I would say state of the way they thing tho.

Forget the placeholder post...


No, I meant that I wasn't sure who's post you were addressing.


*sigh*

You KNOW what I mean, ewm...

Just because Merck is a corporation doesn't excuse a money-making ploy that could put children at risk!


Indeed.  But you didn't actually address my point.

Now be kind and do so.



I'm not sure what this was referring to.  If it's referring to the same thing as the previous quote, than it still didn't touch on my point.


Umm, if you count that as "abuse", than every single person who appeals to any group for votes is an abuser.

Unfortunately, that means that every politician, political activist, every interest gruop, and every person even remotely involved with politics is guilty of abusing as well.

And that just doesn't fly.


I'm sorry, but that made little sense, and none whatsoever if taken with the point that it's supposedly addressing.

Perhaps if you clarify what you mean I'll be able to reply.

"Bear goggles"??

(http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7392/beargogglesvw5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Ironic, isn't it?

However, of no relevance to any point we're discussing.


Indeed they are.

Does that mean that every "religious leader" is a liar?

No.


Please clarify what you mean.


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Is it contradictory?

Where?

If you would be kind enough to show me where you believe it to be contradictory, than I can show you what my opinion is on it.

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To be perfectly honest, I'm more surprised that you're taking dance.

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That is a naïve opinion.

Quite simply, they can't.

As long as people complain about public displays of faith/religion (which is protected under the constitution) by saying that it violates the separation of church and state, than they can never "leave each other alone".

However, if people simply tolerated other's displays instead of making a fuss, that I suppose they could actually co-exist in peace.



I'm interested in knowing exactly how your pastor thinks a person can enter heaven.

You can tell me his opinion on that, can't you?


The bible never puts down criteria for us to kill people.

That's God's job.  He created us, so it only follows that he can destroy us as well.


I suppose I agree.  Many people have used religion for there own ends in the past and continue to do it today.

That's my I don't practice religion.

What I have is faith.  It's not about me, it's about Him.


ewm, I'm interested in hearing your opinion on the Bible verse John 3:16.  You will be kind enough to oblige me in this, won't you?


May He bless you as well.


~Red

The difference between evolution and creationism/intelligent design is belief. ID and Creat. require belief in order to manifest in reality. Evolution just is, and will be even if nobody "believes" in it. Or maybe it's something completely different. Who knows? What I know is that facts are facts and beliefs are beliefs. The way they propose teaching ID as an alternative is... not wrong, but not actually scientific either. I won't say anything is wrong when I can help it, because if something happens, it doesn't matter if it's right or not.
Anyway, though... PCs rock if you know how to use them, and I haven't seen a Mac yet that I really liked (I've seen a few I haven't hated, mind you, but PC has Oblivion and WinAmp, so it wins my vote).
Certain groups of christians do shove beliefs down other people's throats. Not all of them do. The ones that try to ban homosexuality should be... *ahem* They are degrading to the human race and should be disqualified for trash talking. The ones who attack (literally) abortion clinics are terrorists and should be... I mean... shown the error of their ways. Sorry, I'm in a nasty mood about christian terrorists... Always have been, ever since reading Insomnia. Sometimes people in novels get off too easy (painless deaths for nasty delighting-in-evil killers? Bleh, excersise a Deus ex Machination, please, Stephen King. You can do it to kill your heroes, why not your villains?) .

For the most part, I agree with what you say.


Again, a Christian is literally someone who aspires to be like Christ, and I believe that 'shoving down throats' pretty much disqualifies them, especially if they refuse to listen to why it's wrong.

I dont agree with that. A cretion is some ones that bulevs in Crintion Ideas. To adsiper to be like cristed is pritty vain. Nope sorry thay are crichions.

Just a question at this point:
Somehow this is about Christians, no doubt about it. Is this what "Crintion" is supposed to mean?
In the meantime I've picked out the creationists in another post. Is this what "crichions" and several similar typos should mean?
The discussion would make a lot more sense to me then...
Please, someone, give me a hint. Thanks a lot!

I meant to say Christian but I was a school working on stuff so I did not have the tolls nor the time to vet my spelling. 

 
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Don't be a fool; ewm.  Christ is embodied by his ideals.

Thats one interpiritation. for me every time I fell a gust of wind thats him looking for his shouws. For me god live in brooklin and him and his wife marry are geting down at the local disco.

Umm, I'm not sure how to intemperate that.


However, if you think His ideals and teachings irrelevant, I would go as far as to say that you cannot call yourself a Christian.

Well in my branch we smoke this stinky gass that comes from a tub in the wall than we sacrifices a small child and than are able to talk to god using our sell phones. He ushily says please hand up and dial again. Hes a litel shy.

Heathen!  :lol:

Anyway, can I expect a reply to... this?

http://www.titane.ca/igod/ Now god not out of reach.

I'm not sure quite how that fits in with this discussion...

I did not know we are haveing a discution at this pont in this thread?

ewm90 please stop talking about how bad God is and how bad Christianity is because its just starting to make me really sad how I do not say anything bad about your lifestyle yet you criticize me for living how I want to live.  O, and go find out how we have our moon, the answer my intrigue most of the people here if you don't know already.  I believe in God and in science, I believe God made science and evolution and everything.  Just don't say God made a web page for people to repent, it is a little funny but still, its making fun of Christianity, wonder what will happen when Apophis will get pretty close to the earth and have a pretty good chance of hitting us in 2036...Lol, I have a very funny idea what God is but I shouldn't tell you guys its a little secret that might freak you out.  :whistling:  I think too much when I'm not in school or working.  And yep, let the games begin, lol. :assimilate:

If you astionly took the time to read this thread you will find I am not aginsted god I think people are useing god as a way to ferther thare politcal partty. Only a few see this its real sad.

I will sell you the brooklend bring $25.

Ive learned a lot about the history of the planet and humanities imprint on it and a lot of things that happened are a little too convenient and "global warming" is actually a cycle the earth goes through every 10,000 years, and yes the polar icecaps are melting because the earths climate is shifting partly because of the iron nickel core and a little bit caused by humanity but the whole scenario that humanity is going to die from this is a farce, this shift will just change weather patterns in different areas so for example tornado ally will probably move further west so we will just need to adapt to the new climate zones and find what areas are good and what areas aren't so good now, at least this shift will help the Sahara desert because before this happened last time most of the Sahara desert was fertile and actually a good place to live, now its just a barren wasteland; but yes this will affect many people, almost 75-85% of the population on Earth but we just need to be ready when it does happen, so instead of bickering on which side of the fence your on we should just unite and try to stockpile supplies for everyone, not just the U.S. but anyone who needs food or clothing or shelter, the future will be difficult but it won't be impossible. :thumbsup: O, ya, I have a BA in Ecological Engineering since I had most of the same classes except a few other classes in Physical Science and Biology so I know a little bit about that.  About the post I just made the reason I want to get into aerospace engineering is because of that and what would happen when another asteroid does come down our way, I hope the government will spend more money on finding all the asteroids and other bodies out there in the cosmos, but we would be screwed if a meteor hits us instead of a asteroid, simply because it goes thousands of times faster and going by newtons laws, F=ma if something has a huge acceleration but little mass it will still have the same force as something that had a huge mass but little acceleration like an asteroid, they are soooo slow...

Well should I start quoting all your posts?  You stated how bloody and horrific the Bible is, that is a huge snap against God and Christianity, should I stop now or should I also bring up how you said God was causing mass genocide, thats nothing; if you do believe in God dyeing is nothing in this life and what counts is what happens this life and when you step into the next.  I like just about all religions because I know a bit from them all and know what they want their "followers" to do, Islam is what people like to call a radical religion, its a religion that can be manipulated easily because the Koran has a lot of blood and a lot of fighting for Allah and it praises martyrdom but it is still a religion that preaches to not start wars or even fights with anyone else.  Some people do misuse the words of different religions but that is in no way to slander a religion in any degree, if you do that you are breaking U.S. Law; but our government is so messed up now I want to move to another country soon, not sure which one.  And no, I'm not saying Bush is screwing it all up, I'm saying after the Imus incident you find out how much black people hate white people, lol, what a lot of people don't know is instead of just racism there is also reverse racism which is when the people being persecuted are racist of the persecutors and seek "justice" which is actually retribution for what happened to them before the persecutors started to live peacefully with the persecuted.  And the democrats say hey a black or Hispanic or any other man can say cracker to a white man and its not against the law while a white man can't say something like Negro too a black man without going to jail and paying fines too the black man he just "offended."  I just think its funny and stupid, thats all.  :lol:

I have news for you the last time globule worming got as bad as this was when the dinosaur's died off. Thar is nothing convent about global worming. 

How would iron or nickel make ice melt?

Well you can tell that to the people in the new Orleans or the people how have died for beard flew and sairs. You can tell that to the people how loss their home to fortifiers in the mid west you can tell that to the people how live in upstate new york hows homes are under watter and the people how die of wars in Africa because  the people are fighting over remaining resores.

Know matter what deletions you scribe to if the climet gets a bit hotter it set off a chance reaction that will make shere that the earth gose in to a wears case scenario.

Umm its happoning now. It only takes a cupol of degrees above normal to kill count less numbers of people and wiled life.

Well nor way is way ahead of us that have  made a noways ark of sorts. They have stock piled seads from every kind of plant life they could and have froze them in a volt under a mouton if theirs any one left thay can start over.

I guess you have not herd of the trapped methane's under the sea their is a nuff oder the sea to wipe every living thing out. the hotter it gets the more likely the methane will be retested. 

Lol, first the iron nickel core actually protects use against the sun which is called the magnetosphere, this sphere fluctuates and changes and every so often it changes in the degrees a tiny bit than changes back and the scientists found that this is part of the reason why this is occurring, true humans have helped the process but its a natural process the earth goes through.  The incident in New Orleans was bad planning from their government and their aged pump systems didn't help much and by the way did you know New Orleans is under sea level?  And African have been in countless wars for the past two thousand years, can we have been polluting the world with methane and other chemicals two thousand years ago?  Well the New York Incident just shows my point, I didn't say nothing would happen but the changes will be gradual.  What you said about getting hotter and the worst case scenario that makes no sense, lets say the worst case scenario is it gets so hot that it melts the metal around all the nuclear devices around the world and they all blow up, thats a pretty bad scenario.  Or lets say some guy gets so hot that he goes insane and buys a nuke through North Korea and nukes a city in the U.S. that would be bad.  All these scenarios and the fictional scenario you stated have just about no chance of happening.  And it will only get hotter in different areas and colder in others, the climate all over the world isn't changing, the ice melting is changing the concentration of salt water in the oceans that support the fronts that support our wind systems and climates.  The climates are just shifting, which is a big ordeal but it isn't the end of the world.  and methane has a melting point of -296.5 F and a boiling point of -258.88 F so I doubt a couple degrees up or down would make much of a difference.  Well norway is going to get hit pretty hard by a climate shift because if the climate is shifting it will get warmer over there and much of Norway is ice so...they should be a little worried.  They will just need to be relocated before any real damage occurs and brought back after most of the climate has changed into its proper state.  Much of the information of the global warming is half truths, ya there is methane below some ice shelfs but it is few, in a few areas it is a little large and methane gas will just hybridize with water or other molecules that like to stick too other molecules.  O, and the dinosaurs died off from an asteroid that impacted the earth in the south-eastern part of the Gulf of Mexico.  what you should be worried about is an asteroid heading towards us, that actually has a chance to wipe us out without us even able to stop it now.  The name of the asteroid if Apophus, look it up in wikipedia or another good site, it will get very close to us in 2036 and has a pretty good chance of hitting us, its not a 50% chance or even a 1% chance but its a larger chance than everyone dieing from a climate shift.  Just learn about the principles of what is happening and make your own decisions and if you need help try to find the answers on accredited educational sites so you can further your knowledge in the subjects you are interested in.  :assimilate:  Just an FYI but did you know scientists have proof that humanity has been on earth for barely one hundred thousand years, not the millions of years evolution tells us we have been.  This is a little higher up in biology class but basically each generation of a species get a certain amount of deletions and modifications in their genetic code in the lines of data on the Deoxyribonucleic Acid chain, DNA.  And they found the percentage of deletions and modifications per generation and found the percentage of deletions of average people around the globe and they found the deletions and modifications add up too about one hundred thousand years, just something that is a little interesting.  :thumbsup:

ewm, are you going to reply to this or not?!



Now, for my reply:



Ummm, no.

The last time was in the middle ages, when many Kingdoms prospered and grapes grew in England.


Don't be a fool, ewm.  Natural disasters have always happened and wil continue to happen, without any human support.

To blame humanity for a natural disaster without actually looking at both sides and considering all the facts (neither of which you have done- that much is obvious) is just plain foolish.


Well then, you'd better get ready for that "wears case scenario"[sic] because the temperature is still gonna rise even if every human force on the planet simply stops.

Why?  Because the problem isn't us.

We add to it, sure.  Not much, though.

But we don't cause it.  We need more research to find out exactly what does, but we know enough to realize that the 'carbon dioxide is causing global warming' thing is complete crap.

Did you ever watch the video in my sig, ewm?

Whether you have or not, I encourage you to watch it again with "an open mind, not one closed by belief", like you say in your sig.


Of course.  It's happened like this countless times over the history of the earth, and compared to many ours is just a hiccup.

What makes ours so different?


I believe this is a good idea, global warming or not.

Who knows what the science of the future could do with a complete record of life on earth?


I have not heard of it, but it has been hotter many many times in the past; why didn't life on earth get wiped out then?



@ Prowannabe:

No offense man, but your posts would be a whole lot easier to take in if you broke them up into sections.

And quoting what you reply to would be nice.

That goes for you, too, ewm.

The middle where colder not wormer that had some kind of ash in the sky that blocked out the sun. They where effected by globule dimming not global worming.

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But at the rate that they are acering in unprecedented we are seeing many new cases of small pocks and mulerea that have mutated and the old drugs will not work. the earth is terning in to a huge petredish.

The rage and scope of the fires in the mid west is much larger than they have bean in the past be cuss of dry and rain deprived areas. There is much more full for them now.

Flooding has incrested because globule dimming that we still have going, mainly from jet that lay fake cloud like stretchers (intraline)  that collect musher and make it rain to soon be for the clouds get in land whare thay are needed.

As you can see I have don lot of research on the subject.

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You mean death and the extinction of the human race?

Why what evidents do you have that the problem is not us. I can give you lots evidents that the problem is us. including thousands recherches/sinetests from all over the world that have come out very publicly can said the earth is getting wormer and that it is directly cosed by US. I can only find one discreeted sintest that says is a normal event. I am shock I am that their are still people how think that the earth from some strange reason is not geting wormer because of the human race. We are loosing time here!

  The leval of cabin in the sky is hire than any time except for the exhaustion of the dinosaurs. the leval of carbin we are pumping in the the sky is consestint to what is couse globule worming.

Yes I did there have bean some new devilments/findings scents it was perdusted its getting grimmer and grimmer.

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Not like this

The sheer leave of cordon and heat we are experiencing. and the risk of a wrest case scenario.

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What about whats happening now. their are many threats to the environment and human helth cosed by human Globule worming and the exhaustion of bees are the most critical.

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Agin it has not gotten this hot be for and the methane levals are hyer than ever before. methane comes from things that die there body's leach methane in in the grown there are methane dep