Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Has anyone played this new game yet? whats it like? I think the release date was Nov 25th.

 ^_^  

The release date is December 14th for Germany, the US will get it a couple of days earlier...

Moved to Star Trek talk

The US release date was pushed back to December 5

7 more days then :)
i really hope that game will be good without any mods ;)

here in Belgium it is on 07/12/06  ^_^  

I hope so too, but I hope it will be better with mods, instead of somehow made worse. I also hope it is processor intensive, not graphics card intensive, but I doubt it.

I am just woryed it will be limated to 4 races.

you should be worried about the fact that there is a 4 player limit for the Multiplayer
(i.e 4 Players MAX for a match)

nope...the German Ubi HP has been updated recently...now it says up to 8 players with 4 ships each can play together(or against each other ;) )

If you can read German, here's the link (http://www.ubi.com/DE/Games/Info.aspx?pId=4967).

official forum (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2731)

says something different and yes I CAN read german^^ even, i'm just from [AT]
so thank you^^

ok...only 4P...

btw, I didn't read your profile, just what you posted...I can't mind-read...yet :D  

^^
(i too can't read minds)

anyway some guy from Ubisoft said, that the PC version of it $will $support 8 Player multiplayer; so hmmm what now?

you got a link to back it up? It's getting harder and harder to keep track of all the rumours that have developed recently :(

EDIT: forget about providing a link...I found it...now I'm glad :D

yeah Amb/Jan the trolling "*******" ^^

can't control himself. Evil Amb!  

LOL!

Anyways, only two more weeks till it's out (hopefully).

I preordered it yesterday at amazon.de ;)

Legacy ODF file structure, posted by chessmess

http://www.legacymods.com/modders/blogs/in...k_peak#comments (http://www.legacymods.com/modders/blogs/index.php/ChessMess/2006/12/01/intrepid_odf_sneak_peak#comments)
 

Only 3 more days till its here :D

unfortunately finials are right around the corner so im going to have to wait on playing it darn me wanting a good GPA. :sweatdrop:  

i tell you what

I have the game

and ITS a complete waste of all of our hopes

the gameplay is just sooooo shallow

dont get me wrong its got nice graphics and the voiceovers are pretty cool and done well

but The gameplay itself is just not good at all

and u cant even remap the keyboard controls  

indeed. just played a few rounds.. well....
would make a cool screensaver :D

 :lol:  

O god its not that bad is it!  :huh:  :omg:  

Streetfighter for Trekies :D

screensaver from the FO??

It really is that bad im afraid on the upside

i took a look at the main Dir and i bet optec knows what i know ;)

What, easy to mod? They used FO models? You can steal the source code easy?

well i saw Odf files and the usual old Cfg files me thinks its exactly the same setup to mod

only difference SOl files were sod files ;)

So what you reckon, a yay or nay on buying the thing?

you want an honest oppinion ?

dont even consider buying it until they actually fix the game or finish developing it which they clearly didnt

for now just obtain the game and when its worth getting then buy it

and this comes from someone who owns 22 startrek games trust me this is really bad

think Starfleet Academy without any of the extra's just an arcade shooter with pretty graphics  

Where did Bethesda go wrong?
...
Oh, right, ignoring a Werewolf expansion pack for Oblivion to go make a crummy Star Trek game. Or TES:V, I'm easy to please.
Just as long as it's not Cthulu 2.

Well, when a game's 1.1 patch comes out on launch day, its generally a bad sign. I haven't had a chance to play the game yet myself, but it's probably another case of Paramount rushing something out (or in this case telling someone else to rush out) and stamping the trek name on it just to make some shekles.

Not to say it sounds bad, the reviews I've read say its a passable game, but not worthy of the hype or the follow up to great games like Invasion, Elite Force, and Armada II. :S

Armada 2 LOL

Listen one to 8 of 11 it isnt Bethesda its mad doc who made the crummy game Bethesda wernt even developing it only publishing so u can throw that out the window

And yeah 1.1 came out on launch day and hasnt done anything to help

Top it off Its not paramount btw its CBS now LOL

oh and u want examples of terrible gameplay how about the fact that it feels like ur ships die as fast as A2 ships sometimes lol

Missions are nothing but arcade shooting theres one mission where u have to kill 4 romulans then the next is 8 or so then its 12 or so then its 30 lol

the game has no depth

Graphically yeah its fantastic if you have a decent pc but other than that and the voice work by Shatner , Picard the game aint exactly something you want to play

trust me guys i own most ST games made and this one aint worth it at all i could go as far to say that this is as bad as Startrek New worlds its that bad

oh the funniest thing is that even though BC is much older its soo much better than this excuse for a game it doesnt even come close to BC or the SFC series

You see the frustration i have

FOR **** SAKE you cant even remap the controls what the **** is up with that

Top it off the options file never ******* saves certain details so everytime you start the game you have to enable them again

im serious they really took the **** releasing it in the state its in

If it were up to me id have Mad doc burnt to the ground for this  Stupid pathetic excuse for a Half made game they have dropped on us and it just ****** me off now that they have done this 3 times to me

Startrek armada 2 Ruined
Empire earth 2 Ruined
Startrek Legacy Ruined

and watching this just ****** me off 10x more  

And to top it off the worst of all things reading through the Legacy forum

Posted by one of the Devs
and it has always been said that it is the armada 2 engine

link
http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index....opic=3930&st=60 (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3930&st=60)

that is exactly why legacy is a peice of ****

think i'll leave it for the moment then, had a bad felling about the gameplay when i saw some of those videos released. think i'll be content with what i got for the time being.

thanks for the heads up 4 ;)  

Np i just didnt want people to get tricked into getting legacy and tbh im happy i didnt buy it or get my Gf to get it for me for christmas as i had originally planned i decided to torrent it first to make sure then if it was even half decent buy it

but tbh what they have done is criminal

Makes it even worse that they dont even have any announcements on whether there will be patches the first patch they released was to fix Mp bugs but it actually adds more bugs to the game completely stupid i reckon

I honestly think this will be like A2 one patch and then run

 

well all the reviews have put me off buying it..

for me legacy is just a klingon academy with less possibilities but better graphics. i tried legacy in multiplayer and despite it doesn't work 90% of online games for me i enjoyed klingon academy more in things of vessel maneuvering and strategic possibilities with tons of options to set repair or weapon priorities etc etc.
still, klingon academy had only tmp vessels and there were no really mods released

To add what doca is saying thare is quechons if Macdoc the maker of STL will releale modaling tools.

So when Bethesda Softworks swept the VGA awards on Spike tonight (12/13/06 in the US) was anyone ELSE waiting eagerly for an apology for Legacy when they accepted all the wards for Elderscrolls IV? :P

Tbh no i expect Mad doc to be run off the face of teh planet they are to blame

and EWM to answer your question there are NO mod tools

notepad? or wordpad

I have it, and it is a disappointment.  Feels like a graphically improved version of SFC III.

Replay value is low on this title/game.  I'm still in the TOS era, but it's been sitting there on my rack for 4 days now...and I don't really feel like diving into it anytime soon.

i heard from cts006 thatthe game is really really really bad, and that it doesn't even reach to the knees of FO, except for graphics which are quite good.

that's true, BUT legacrap is an action game NOT an RTS; unfortunately :(  

he means something big like the source code etc...

The game grows on you over time i'd say.  It is extremly moddable and with some of the mods done/in development it becomes more playable.  To me at this point the biggest annoyance is the lack of customizing enemy ships in skirmish.  I have no idea how this was overlooked.  

There is an app now to remap the keys for legacy but i've played 3 missions (had to do #2 about 5 times) so i've grown too used to the default f, w, s, a, d, space bar, left mouse, right mouse, shift + t, r to benifit from changing it until someone figures out how to assign keys to the transport, hail, tractor, target weapons, target engines, target hull, etc buttons.

although to be fair the game is NOT the game that was promised or the game I was expecting.  I expected something like Starfleet Command meets Armada 2 with seperate campaigns for all 3 eras instead of some weirdly connected one we got.  I also expected a workable fully enjoyable game out of the box.  -_-  

i say, give the rights back to activision, let them upgrade their 3 engines for armada2, bridge commander and elite force and mix the into one big game, to make use of exsisting material, and give the fans what they want. (it should be too dificult), scew making it for a console, we want a bloody computer game!

This new game would satisfie everyone.

You can command your ship from the bridge, (bc) the walk down to the transporter room and go on a away mission(ef) then controle massive fleets is massive battles (a2).

I mean come on! thats what we all want.

O and a Decent bloody story line is a necessity! i repeat again.. a NECESSITY!

if they dont do it then, the modding comunity will rip these games apart to get it and screw the legality, they have had their change and are running out of time, get people that actulaly give a damn about scifi to create the game, not just retards that have £ signs in their eyes!

(sorry my mistake $)

There are no official mod tools

yeah sure u can edit ODF's with Word and notepad ect

but the simple fact of the matter is the game is a piece of **** beta that was released

what makes it worse is now the guys at bethesda are locking all the negative threads over on the official forums as they dont want people to see all the problems with the game

talk about a cover up

People are smart thay see whats hapining. The best I can reminind is make a post on the complant saying I am complaning to parimont becuss I dont feel my conserns are being respected thare!.

And send a e-mail to parimont. Thants what I am going to do.

Heres my new tread I dont think it will be up long feel free to ad to it.

http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5454 (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5454)

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my mseage to http://www.cbs.com/sales/cbs/contact/ (http://www.cbs.com/sales/cbs/contact/) <- the owner of Star Trek

 I feel that my conserns about the new star trek game I got from not working where ingnored and when I complaned my post in the complant thread was deleated.

I just make a new thread on thare forum and it was locked be for I could evin fix my spelling mistakes.

Evry compalnt thead I have seen on thare froum is locked or is deleated.

http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5454 (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5454)

I feel allmost insolted by the haribal whay bethsoft is hadaling the bad game by macdoc.

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A nuther intresting post:
http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5455 (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5455)

Ive noticed people having the prob ive had with the forum. If you need to file a complaint with bethesda like i have done heres the info for you. Dont listen to those who tell you u cant get through and your wasting your time. Ive gotten through very easily and talked with numerous people. Id like to say what i mean but youll have to pm me if ya want to know what i mean. I hope this gets to the people who i see asking about this.


http://www.bethsoft.com/contact.html (http://www.bethsoft.com/contact.html)

bethesda direct (301) 926-8300

tech support 410-568-3685

You can also file a complain via snail mail as well you can do that to. If you do snail mail make sure u print out copy anything u need to attach with it.

ethesda Softworks LLC
a ZeniMax Media company
1370 Piccard Drive, Suite 120
Rockville, MD 20850

Hi all im the op of the contact bethesda post on the legacy forums. I can talk a little more freely here. The mods on there just insane idiots. Im waiting till tomorrow to see if they act on my complaint i filed it will be 3 days. I have a very revealing list of pms from a nutso mod lol. Even the guy on the bethesda tech support said he had to read it twice to make sure it said what it did and thats just the one pm theres others. My lawyer said not much he can do but he agrees its the most unproffesional thing hes ever seen in his life. I was hoping for a free copy of oblivion or soemthing lol but oh well. I can say this much aparantly the mods arent payed from what i understand. Could explain there arrogance and god complexes on there. All i have to say is stay tuned...

My op for those who need it
http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5455 (http://startrek.bethsoft.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5455)

Just played Legacy.  It sucked.  Bad.  I think I'm going to play a DECENT game like, say, Shattered Universe...

-edit-

Wow, those mods are bad.  Looks like they're too busy coering their own ***** to bother with being nice...

It's definitely grown on me.  I was a bit displeased at first.  Once I got over it not being exactly what I envisioned, I've started to enjoy it.

Just hoping some of the modders can fix and possibly re-implement all the shiat they cut from the game.

 

Sort of like Armada 2, maybe? Possibly? Hopefully?
It let everyone down, too, except people's expectations were lower.

I'm going to wait for other patches and a real mod. Now most modders playing around whats possible. And HEY! they got 8 players from 4 for mp, added other things...I'm optmistic. They game has a huge potential. I think whats possible with Armada 2 it's also for Legacy because it's an upgraded A2 engine.

Well first of all i dont think its a good idea to compare Armada2 and Legacy cos A2 is an RTS and Legacy is some sort of action game or simulator.
I've played legacy, completed its campaign and i have to say that game suxx a lot... It has got terrible controls, many annoying bugs and a bit weird campaign... For an example in campaign ships got unreal stats, different from what they have in skirmish mode... Like in the campaign a big borg cube got pretty hard work taking off your sovereigns shields, whats an insane thing imo, but in skirmish the same cube kills you in moments...
Ohh yeah and it has got a very very very dumb and incapable AI, there is no guard mode, nor any decent order except warp there and attack that... Not even a follow me oh for f*cks sake...
The interface is pretty much bugged too, etc.
Dont waste your money for this crap...

If you arent afraid of missing a real story/campaign and missing the ability to move your ship vertically (whats actually pretty much limited in Legacy too), then go and play Starfleet Command 3: Generations at War MOD, it has got ways better battles and ship controls...

i'v just played legacy got past the enter eara..  :omg: its terrible... it really is... try it out for your self.. it really is terrible, my mouse stops working so i'v had to plug a game pad in just to press the ok button so that i can continue playing... no tacticks can't do more then 1 thing at once.

eg.. fire phasers and torps (can't to it)
turn and fire (can't do it)
change speed and turn(no u guessed it can't do it!!!!)
not storyline...

i had to mod it stright away just to get it slightly playable.. WTF! n now there is absoultly no support from bethesda... we need major patches and fast! if they are going to save anything of their reputation and this game..

What a joke! feels like a very early alpha release.. i mean very early! :cry:

Bloody rubbish.. so people dnt wast ur money on it.. do as suggests in this thread some posts back...  

what did i tell you

im ok man, i took your advise  ;)

even the modding is looking worrying atm,
check this out on legacy files
http://forums.filefront.com/showthread.php...threadid=294203 (http://forums.filefront.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=294203)
dautfull much can be modded...
 

Nope.  Read again.  I guess they found a way.

After reading the forums I would be firing some mods. That is by far the worst example of BBS management I have seen in years. First off the customer who complains is the one who you go and kiss their ***. You do not tell them to stop posting flame bait, wait and then proceed to lock the thread. Just from looking through I guess 10 or so threads I was astounded by the absolute uselessness of the BBS administration on what is supposed to be "lol" a top of the line product. The fact is when your moderators are acting in such a manor it looks really bad to those buying the game. Also when people have a 14 page thread and all the mods seem to notice is flaming towards them they might want to catch the drift and re think they way that they administer the forums.

From having read the complaints there is now no way I am going to get the game, many a star trek gamer can tell you we don't like console games, and if port us a piece of **** we will respond by giving it back to you. Also what the hell were they thinking using the BS armada II engine, beyond what Optic and Doca and all the folks here at fleetops have done, I have heard nothing but complaints about the massive and gaping flaws in the engine, and they want to port it to a completely different play style? Why, when SFC: all of them are using the engine they should be looking at, and I do mean it is the same play style except you know apparently stable.

Whoever the dev company was should have a.) started a new engine from scratch, or b.) use  an existing and proven engine that was in the correct field and not try to port an RTS engine. I mean Star Fleet Command Volumes 1 through 3 are sitting right there with a successful engine in the filed of gameplay they are looking, except unlike legacy the developers of Starfleet Command actually knew what the hell they were doing (- the sometimes random explosion of capital ships :P ). So Legacy will not be getting bought by me. The first thing they need to learn is we don't want a console game, because most Star Trek gamers don't want Star Trek on a console. Why? because unlike blow em up fest they call star wars, Star Trek is all about the micromanagement.

erm.... do you know how long it takes someone to write a complete engine from scratch or what skills you need to do this in todays gaming industry and i don't think that the guys at madDoc have the skill to stem up something like that....................

(not no mention the licencse cost for a rented engine, hmm they should have taken the homeworld2 engine or so ^^ )

And as far i have seen, the only modable things of Legacrap are things which are described via XML, such as User Interfaces and ship stats. Right now i doubt that someone, with the current tools and "help" available from madDoc and Co., will be able to solve the most anoying problems (stupid way of movement i.e.: no loopings or rolling, one shield bubble), unless they release a real SDK with the source code and i highly doubt that, since when i look into the config files and read their comments, I honestly DO NOT want to look deeper into the source code *shivering*

 

Legacrap is looking less and less apealing by the second...

well if you are a Xbox 360 Gamer then jump up in Joy and praise your gods, since THIS is the Star Trek Game for ye ^^. Well I don't know what to think about Legacrap any more, i'm tired with this topic. The Forum there are strange and weird, not to mentions the moderators ^^.

Oh regarding modding; I think from their point of view that this IS much possibility to mod^^, but maybe i am wrong maybe you CAN do more; anyway unless some poor soul sacrifices his time and look into this erm pile of junk and symbol of shame i will not take any greater interest into this piece of software.

That poor soul ain't gonna be me, I can tell ya that.

Well console and Personal Computer work very difreantly so a game can be good on one and crap on a uther.

If you look at legicy closly you will see the game is limated to the same nuber of buttons at a console contraoler (4) leting you swich between ships easly, on a computer limating the game to 4 ships realy sucks becuss PCs have more buttons/options.

PCs are made for more complicated games than consoles can handale so have a game 1st made for console will of cores not work well on a PC the same is trow of games made for PC put on to consoles.

Agreed. I'm glad your writing looks better and better. How is it possible ? :)  

I agree with u guys. The 360 version is actually very good, I just dont know about the PC version. From the sound of it, it spunds bad.

the 360 issue has the same core issues of gameplay depth as the PC

tbh its a mild distraction and CTS has said on another thread if it wasnt for it being STarTrek we would have left this game along time ago probably on the release day

Agreed.  I suppose if someone dedicated his/her time to improve the game dramaticly, it just might be enough to keep Legacrap around.

not really the core issue is the game its self it has no potential to be anything greater than a shooter

at least in A2 there were rudementary tactics

what we really want is a new BC with a bit of elite force in it, (note bc first, with a little bit of ef)

this game was most like dominon wars but I liked that game this sucked they should do a new verson of DW using its engine that would be cool :thumbsup: