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Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Eufnoc on August 21, 2006, 11:26:47 PM
As impossible as it may seem the laws of physic's appear to have been broken by a Irish firm names Steron, they can create energy, no one on the planet hasever createdenergy just transformed it, one of the main laws of physics is you can not creat or destroy energy just transform it (eg coal is chemical energy which then becomes heat , light and kenitic energy which becomes electrical energy which becomessay a light bulb which is then light and heat energy again) But they have done it by using magnets, imagaine walking up a hill and back down again but having more energy from doing so, thats what they have done.

http://www.steorn.net/en/technology.aspx?p=5 (http://www.steorn.net/en/technology.aspx?p=5) Website of the firm
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=s...tnG=Search+News (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=steorn&btnG=Search+News) - Google news
 


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Cpt Ryan on August 21, 2006, 11:49:57 PM
if its true, then its great news :) .
however i wonder how much power companies are gonna charge for this "free energy" :hmmm:  


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Eufnoc on August 21, 2006, 11:54:25 PM
it will be placed initems instead of battery's such as mobile phone's cars, household applience's


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: cts006 on August 22, 2006, 08:09:31 PM
Wow, even in scifi they cant do that. (Even a ZPM from stargate doesnt just create energy, and that is probably the most powerfull yet stable energy device ive ever seen in scifi that isnt some massive generator ala the death star.)'

Looks like its time to throw the laws of thermo dynamics out the window, eh? lol


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: -=B!G=-The Black Baron on August 22, 2006, 08:51:36 PM
Khmmm I wonder if this is true :D If it is, its gonna be great ;)


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on August 22, 2006, 11:05:38 PM
I would not get exsited evin if thay did it would make a life time or two to get it use in eany thing.

In my 26y of life I have heard meny cool invitons such as anti matter that cam propell a man 3/4 the speed of lite. The only problom thay found if that after crating it in a adom smasher it only lasted for about 0.00032 of a second and need some thing to contane it.

Thay all so resintly found dark matter nebulas thay now can prove thay are real but cant tell you eny thing elss whare thay come from what thare made of or evin what thare perpos is.

In steevin hocking book the fisicts of star trek he sermised that humans can crate transporters but to do so whould need to stor every elament of the humin body down to the the sobitoming and smaller. It would take a stack of hi densuty discos that would strach from earth to the sun and than back to store all that information.

Its nee that thay figer this out what you posted Eufnoc but evin ouwer kids will probly not get a binafit from it.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Eufnoc on August 22, 2006, 11:56:54 PM
wow and i belive in 1930 people where laughed at for even thinking of man on the moon, let alone every body having a computer that could fit on you lap ... o wait all of them happend


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on August 23, 2006, 05:01:41 AM
Just not in ower life time. I sugest you dont what thares better things to do.  


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: cts006 on August 23, 2006, 08:23:26 AM
Umm... Hawking I can understand. You sir, I cannot.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on August 23, 2006, 05:07:06 PM
Hawking said in the book the "fiscis of star trek" that transporters are posabule but to make one would require disks stacked one on top a of a nuther that would be so tall it would reach from the earth to the sun and back just to store the data of one humin life.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: hypercube on August 23, 2006, 08:50:11 PM
wait 5 years, the number of those discs willl be reduced by a half


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Eufnoc on August 23, 2006, 08:51:52 PM
i take it hawking was on about cd's at that time, we now have dvd, blue light disk's hvd. if he was on about hard disk's they have quadropples in size in like the last two years.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: hypercube on August 23, 2006, 08:53:24 PM
indeed, besides, hard drives will slowly start dissapearing.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Frodo on August 23, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
what will replace them?


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on August 23, 2006, 10:42:06 PM
No HI dinsidy disks- those plasic small rectaguler disks that hild like  1.3MB.

But evin if we came up with a hard drive that holds 900 UB we whould still need tham at lest 2 miles hy at lest 2 miles hi.

Thare are at lest 2 planest between the earth and the sun not counting the moon and ferther more with wower best techolagy we have only ben abule so sind a lander to one of tham 'mars'.

You guys should read the 'fisics of star trek'.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: cts006 on August 24, 2006, 04:38:16 AM
Did anyone ever think that they dont have to all be in one stack. :P


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Lumpybob on August 24, 2006, 05:25:25 AM
what if humans invent sum sort of super data holdy thingy that can hold that much information in a thing the size of a shoebox?


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Eufnoc on August 24, 2006, 08:11:23 AM
you mean like a raid drive?


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: DaSeitz on September 06, 2006, 12:37:26 AM
Back after a while...
@Lumpybob:
The technology needed for such a super storage device has already been invented. Quantum computers not only enable huge processing power but also open the doors for almost unlimited storage.
Till quantum storage arrives there will be HVD (holographic versitaile disk) starting 2007 at 300GBs, can be expanded to terabytes on the size of a DVD.
-As for beaming:
Always remember that in reality beaming something means only transferring its information to another object. So after being beamed there would be 2 versions of you. NOT VERY PRACTICAL. Beaming the Information of a starship into a brick of stell would save much work so there probably is some use for this (aside from the unimaginable energy consumption)
-About free energy.
There is indeed free energy in the universe, in form of quantum foam (If M-Theory is true that is). However the universe does not allow you to extract this energy, if you do (There is no theory about how) the universe will take the energy back from somewhere else. Taking particles out of the quantum foam could even damage the structure of spacetime cause of too high energy density (according to general relativity). Similar to the danger of creating black holes (in fact instable ones have already been created) at particle accelerators like cern. Every company that claims to be able to extract energy from nothing leaves a bad smell:
a) They are right and it is a wonder, all we believed to know about physics would be wrong then
B) they are lying and just trying to make money out of it (quite common in the "free energy" society.
c)They are taking the energy from the quantum foam but it disappears somwhere else (Highly unlikely but possible & dangerous)

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Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: RedShirt on September 06, 2006, 06:25:41 PM
I think they should get some proper reaserch done before I cast judgement.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ColdDarkParanoia on September 06, 2006, 09:15:37 PM
i thought it was 100GB harddisks stacked from earth to the center of the galexy


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on September 06, 2006, 10:59:33 PM
Not from What I remiber.

the earth from the sun is (147.5 million km) to (152.6 million km) to give you a idea of the how far we are.

Distance From Sun: 93,000,000 in Miles


Evin if we had 1000 Xb I dout it whould be from the center of ther earth to the outer crust.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Rhaz on September 06, 2006, 11:03:02 PM
The sun is 8 minutes away from the Earth at the speed of light.

And the speed of life is many more hard drives than our resources could build.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Jan on September 07, 2006, 01:21:44 PM
Quote
POSTED ON BEHALF OF Wayne Lanier, PhD, Pacbell:

I see no reason why we should try to "prove" Steorn's claim; or, why we should try to "disprove" their claim. Real science just does not work that way. Whether or not "traditional peer-review science" votes for or against them is not the point. It is up to them to openly publish their results for review and discussion.

Their alternative is to make a product and sell it. Presumably, if they have an energy-producing device they can manufacture and sell it. If they have a source of energy that really works, it is irrelevant whether they get votes from sceptics. This is, after all, not a bogus "cancer cure" that might kill innocent patients. It is a testable device. If one customer finds it works, then that customer will tell another and - without any doubt at all - customers will beat a path to their door.

So, why do they need to go through this "test us" charade? It serves no purpose, except to suggest they are fundamentally dishonest.

Wayne Lanier, PhD


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Frodo on September 07, 2006, 01:31:53 PM
thats what i thought, they should publish the results and patent the technology, if any, and sell it or give it to other scientists to work out themselves. patenting it will still give them the claim of being the 'inventors'. i think its a bit to0 good to be true really


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: [F-I-I]VAdm-MJP on September 07, 2006, 04:49:23 PM
They may be running into a funding problem, and also, how many of us still use Nuclure power? its claener, makes more anergy, and is relitivly safe when handled corectly. but jsut couse one blew up and some people whent all WAAA we dont ahve it any more and all we have is a tonage of waist. [Edit: relised i dindt finish my thought here] My point is, if some one says it cant be done or its not safe, esspecialy a scientest, (like there have been) who would buy the power? if htey can prove it they can sell it.  

I have read the book that you are talking about ewm90, read when i was doing my senour paper on Antimatter. i cant remmber it much but. the ammount of data to be stored could be done easly be using a planit, radio waves or light, timeers, and satalights. shoot you could even take  out the planate if you wanted to.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: ewm90 on September 09, 2006, 12:06:45 AM
Well I think it is posabule for humans with to days tech to rech wap 1 or the speed of lite with to days tech. The only problom is the thing or person that reches that speed would be crushed like a coke can.

Untill we make unersha dampers or some thing like that we wont travle far.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: [F-I-I]VAdm-MJP on September 09, 2006, 01:03:09 AM
but the laws of energy limit us, the faster we go the grater the mass or some such, we would ahve to have one HONKING nuculer reactor (best part is the bigger the reactor the more bigger it would have to be.), and BIG time radar, couse at that speed a peice of dust would be like a 1000KT bomb not to menchen a Astroid. And dont even think about magnetic fields, would add to much weght, would scramble our computers and most likly confuse the hell our of ears. then let consider stoping. we would have to put an equel force infornt of us to slow down, blowing in to all that energy at light speed. LMAO.  


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Casper on September 12, 2006, 08:32:25 AM
Einstein left the theory of relativity incomplete on purpose, mainly because he didn't wont the responsibility of what could or would have been brought down on mankind, so some parts of physics i don't entirely believe in.

mainly "as the speed of light approaches speed and mass increase to nearly infinite degrees" or something like that (i don't remember it to clearly, and it’s late and I’m tired).  


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: [F-I-I]VAdm-MJP on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 PM
Thats the one im talking about. but even if its not true we would still ahve all thoughs other things in our way.


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: Intimid8er on September 13, 2006, 04:06:27 AM
It all seems very fishy because of this quote

"During 2005 Steorn embarked on a process of independent validation and approached a wide selection of academic institutions. The vast majority of these institutions refused to even look at the technology, however several did. Those who were prepared to complete testing have all confirmed our claims; however none will publicly go on record."

They dont want to go on public record? :hmmm:  


Title: Laws Of Physics Have Been Broken
Post by: [F-I-I]VAdm-MJP on September 13, 2006, 05:03:19 AM
Becouse its insane. no one whanted to be related to enstine at first.