Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

I don't know yet.. can't decide between the federation and the klingons..

My favorites are Dominion and Romulans.

Dominion: Because they are some kind of evil anti-federation ^^ And those dreadnaughts are coooooool. *violett shining*

Romulans: They have this extremely cool cruisers with cloaking field. And this nasty base to sabotage ships. I love that...

your enemy just sits around building up his fleet and suddenly...BOOM your ships explode >XD

i always play the feds, i accidently forgot to select feds and left it on random, i thought i was dom it turned out i was klingon and there ships are so shittly weak!

Obviously I like the Dominion the most lol
Why? cause they are the best :P

Eufnoc: Klingon ships arent ******, just make a lot of them :P Also Vorcha and Negh'Var are the s.hit dude :o

PS: Wasnt there already a sticky topic with the same frickin question :S

aye there was lol

Federation, because of the non-evil way they act. Although I like races like Klingons, Dominion & Terrans (M U), etc because rules don't hinder them as much.

i aint sure bettween noxter and 8472 there both kool (prob due to being the most different)

Borg for me. They are quite simply "The Big Cheese" of Star Trek. Not only do we have our special abilities, but we can take yours too! :assimilate:

Don't get me wrong, all the other races are cool too, but at the end of the day, it's the Borg for me.

"Resistance is and always has been...futile" :borg::pimp::borg:

You've been lucky so far Federation...

...But how much longer can that luck last? :devil:

I love Pie.

I like 3 Races.

Cardassians:

Despite being underpowered, the Galor is just a magestic warship.

Romulans:

Large, overdone ships, like SSD's from Star Wars, gotta love the elegant lines of the Warbirds and especially the Norexan class.

Borg:

Nuff said.

i love the 8472 bioships, talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing!!! saw them zapping those cubes and was quite shocked i can tell you :blink:

but i also like the borg & klingons as well.

something about the klingons remind me of the old samurai of ancient Japan.

me too.

And me. They just scream warrior culture. I don't know about they're govement being feudalist but they certainly are samurai-esqe, that's for sure.

isn't the klingon empire a feudal culture?

It's arguable, but that seems to be the closest human comparison IMO.  The Klingon Empire is controlled by a chancellor (king-ish), who is replaced either by bloodline or more commonly by who killed him, and the high council (Lords-ish), who carry significant clot and fluctuate depending on the influence they control.  This is all based on a clan system.

Feudal with more power to the chancellor than to a feudal king

You will be assimilated.
Lower your shields and surrender your vessel.
Your culture and technology will service ours.
Resistence is futile.

The Borg are/is awesome (that was very un-borg of me): the definition of monolith!

But I also like the Romulans for being so freaking sneaky and having all those dastardly plans up their really big shoulder puffers.

The United Federation of Planets.

Great Scientists and Engineers, fab economy, large territory, sexy ships, less evil than the dominion, less dumb than the Klingons, and last but not least, they have picard to tell all the admirals to shove their orders up their arse.  :thumbsup:

Borg all oof the way, ive even installed FO version 2 just to play them :D

but yeah Resistance if Futile hand over your pies NOW!!!

Dan

Plus, for Dr. Lazarus, the Borg had Picard for a time (excuse me, Locutus) too: he shoved ships up the federation's arse...  :rolleyes:
-dn

Good ol' Picard. I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

*A ship*

and i can't decide between feds or dominion,  but i sure do love pie......mmmmm......pie......

 :D

you can teah an old dog new tricks, it was proved on Mythbusters

But the real question is can you teach an old dog to love new pie... wait.  :blink:
What type of pie/dog do you like: mmmmm.... pumpkin/husky.
-dn :sweatdrop:

umm i like Alsation Pies, aslong as you remove the hair first the pie is nice....oh wait was that a seperate question?

Me loves chicken pies, made with chicken freshly killed from the farmyard. Wait a minute... How did we get from favourite races onto the subject of pies? I know. It was Bob wasn't it. Naughty Bob.  :(

Yes, that's right, blame it all on bob... *angry people with pitchforks crowd around Bob as I slink away into the night*

"Very well, since no-one cares for any corn, we'll have to proceed ahead of schedule."

*pain follows*

The Caretaker, Part I

Cardies!

Oh Cardies, how I miss thee.

But hopefully they'll be put into a future version of Flops *crosses fingers*, at least as part of the Dominion.

There's a great mod from Overlord/Zeich out there who has built three Cardassian ships, the Hideki, the Galor and the Keldon for FO with a Cardassian Avatar for the Dominion.

If you're hot for Cardies you can use this mod. I tried it myself and loved it, too.
If you're a bit skilled, you could also integrate the Cardies into the Dominion tech-tree and keep the Breen instead. That's what I did and I couldn't stop playing the Dominion.
In the first instance, because Cardies somehow are the Dominion. Second, because Zeich's work is simply great done!
But as FO is set after the Dominion war it is not very likely that there would be Cardies fighting for the Dominion.

Nevertheless the Cardies will have a comeback as a non-player race in a future version of FO (Not V3 though.) and there will be far more than three ships available as far as I heard.
:whistling:

Oh, goody: I didn't know the cardies were going to be future npr, and I forgot about that little detail (Dominion no longer includes cardassians). I know about the mod for the mod, but I really want to play with humans and with breen option: I do not have the necessary skills however :sweatdrop:. What ships do the 3 cardy ones replace? ...or is it added on to the existing list?
-dn

The Cardassian-mod, which is actually a Cardassian-Avatar, replaces the Breen-Avatar. So the Breen-vessels are replaced with Cardassian ones.
The destroyer, which I believe to be the smallest available Breen-ship, is replaced by a Hideki-class fighter, the Breen-cruiser, the next larger vessel, is replaced by the Galor-class and the Breen-Dreadnought is replaced by the Keldon-class.
Well... maybe I got mixed up here with the Breen-vessels... basically the Breen-units are replaced by Cardassian ones.  :sweatdrop:

So how'd you manage to keep the Breen and still have the cardies: did you just make an extra copy of the breen? ...perhaps you'd care to share this accomplishment with the rest of flops *hint, hint, nudge, nudge* :D

My favorite two are the Noxter and the Borg . I love to pit the two aginst each other. Allthough I do Like the Cardassian's as a close third   Dreanought Missle  Aginst the Noxter and Borg is the  most fun  to play.

Yeah, the good 'ol days of v2 (but no cardassians from what I remember: do you mean from vanilla Armada?)

"Soon" we will receive the gift of the noxter again: me thinks v5 ish

Okay, here's the story of things I did to FO V3PR :-D
I started with forcing FO to time-travel back to the Dominion War, so the Cardies could still be part of the Dominion. (Maybe I should just not have watched the last season of DS9 right before  :sweatdrop: )
If my harddrive hadn't crashed in the meantime I could tell you pretty detailed what I did. Now it's an exercise in remembering that stuff..
Well, then I decided that I didn't like the Bomber that much and replaced it with the Hideki-Fighter. I decided the same for the heavy cruiser (If this is the only unit built in the large yard which doesn't need a prototype.) and the battle cruiser which I replaced by the Galor and Keldon.
I arranged the build-buttons to avoid having cardie-ships spread over the list and I put them together.
It worked that way then:
Avatar Dominion Pure Tech:
The Hideki-Fighter (which came instead of the Bomber) was buildable right from the start. But it was weaker than the Bug but a bit cheaper, too.
The Galor-Class was buildable right after you had the Large Yard. You needed at least one Galor to be able to build the Keldon-Class.
Dominion Pure Tech had an extra-upgrade available for the Galor and Keldon Class then, which needed to be researched - instead of the fighters, which were out of the game because the battle-cruiser was no longer available. I called that upgrade "Obsidian Order Refit". When these refits were available you could - guess what... - refit your Galors and Keldons which was quite expensive but usefull. I gave the Galor-Obsidian-Order-Refit some kind of ECM-ability like the Remoore. The Keldon-class got something called "Plasma Bank Overload" which affected the targeted ship like the Ferengi weapon.
The ship stats were also upgraded if you used the refit. But the Cardies were always weaker than the strongest Dominion-vessel.
That's what my Cardies looked like in Pure Tech - thanks to Overlord/Zeichs great work without I couldn't have done that. I don't have any idea about modelling at all.  :sweatdrop:

Breen Avatar:
The Cardies were also availabe while playing the Breen. The idea was basically the same and the same ships were replaced by Cardassian ones but the Obsidian Order Refits were not available. The reason was, that the Cardies didn't like the Breen that much and the Obsidian Order wouldn't see a reason to support Breen-lead-fleets with top-secret-technology. So the Cardies were quite weak here but pretty cheap. I wouldn't talk about Galor/Keldon-spam but if your economy was very fine.. you could have if you wanted to.  :lol:

So, it featured the three above mentioned quite balanced Cardassian ships for both Dominion-Avatars and "new" special abilities for them.
One thing I worked at right before the crash were the appropriate voice-overs. That's something I have to confess, I got stuck with :sweatdrop: But I disliked a Galor with a Jem'Hadar-Commander that much that I wouldn't have stopped trying to add voice-overs until it would have been a Cardassian voice.  :lol:

That's what I did. That's what is lost.
But maybe I'll build it up again.
But I have to say, too, that there are still no intentions to publish this mod for the mod.
While modding the Cardies into the Dominion I learned that much about odf-editing and all the text-coding which FO is based on and I know I didn't even scratch the surface - it's incredible what the FO-team does here!  :thumbsup:
Again: Big thanks to Overlord/Zeich! Without his work I wouldn't have been able to do this and I have to add: I'm looking really forward to see his Cardie-ships in FO some day!

Sounds fantastic! But it's a real shame you lost it all :crybaby:
Why aren't you part of the flops design team anyway if you can do all this (and more)?

:lol:  :sweatdrop:

Uhm.. well, that thought makes me laugh and a huge thank you comes right with it!
No worries: It doesn't make me laugh because I thought it was weird or something. I just have somehow the feeling not to even touch the FO-teams skills.  :(

Well, the whole mod is something I could rebuild. That's not the problem.
Basically my problem is time. Even if I would be invited to join the staff, it would be unlikely to quicken the process because the days I am at home are rare compared to the days I'm away until very late at night.

But I'm happy to hear that you appreciate the idea of my work. Thanks a lot!  :D

I was Reading the Forum about Who is your Favorite Race, and Someone metioned about Terrans.

While I've seen Every Episode of Enterprise, I have never Seen Terrans in a Fleet Ops game!

Mabey the question gets a Broad Answer, of Races Beyond the Game in the Star Trek Universe.

There are TONS of Races in the 5 Series, including Xindi, Telaxian, Orions, Denobulan, Kazon, and you can Even condsider the Terran Empire a Race (of Humans!!:D).

Actually, I do believe that the cardies will be in v3 as a non-player race.  If you check the staff page, you will find that overlord/zeich has been brought in and his official assignment, if I recall, is non-player races.


And why not add the cylons while you're at it?  No, Fleet Ops is not a crossover mod like Star Trek vs Star Wars.  That leads to a whole bunch of balancing woes, like 'who really is stronger, the empire or the borg?' that leave half the people ticked all of the time.

Thinks are much simpler when yiou stick to one universe.

Plus, I believ there is a limit to the amount of races one can have ingame.

Concerning the limit-discussion we already learned some time ago that actually there isn't a limitation. So we could add whatever we liked to add.

BUT - and now this goes absolutely off-topic:
As you were talking about Cylons, I have to say it! I WANT A BSG (RDM) MOD FOR ARMADA II DONE BY THE FO-TEAM!  :crybaby:

Uhm, back on-topic:
I dislike the idea of adding mirror-universe-stuff to FO because we never saw the Terrans fight the Dominion or whatever threat we have "here". They are not a race in my opinion and we didn't even have the Terrans and the Federation at war. I never really liked the idea of mirror-universes. In the first instance I never figured out, why people from one universe would have the desire to go to another one... to boost their economy eg.  :blink: Well, the Terrans just don't make sense unless you try to understand these episodes as an answer to the question, how a world could be as nice as GR basically intended to depict it. Once the idea was written down.. there was no way to stop it, which doesn't mean it was a good one.

Cent, Cent...

I don't mind the mirror universe, and as far as travelling motivation go between universes, it's just another location, albeit a distant one.

As far as the Terran Empire goes, they fell long before Fleet Ops takes place.

yep, the mirror universe is not part of the Fleet Operations storyline and there wont be inter-dimensional travel.
We could however still think of a strange-painted ancient federation derelict here and there ;)

With funny atypical yellow patterns on the hull?  :D

love th feds........but i like the borg aswel, th way they just strike fear into all the other races.....great stuff!

Hey Brian, pleasure to meet you!  :thumbsup: I agree, the fear factor is important if a race is to be believable as an enemy. The Borg tick the boxes here.

Plus the Borg can BE any of the other races (well sort off anyway :shifty:)
 :whistling: