Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

since it isn't involving the amerians and i expected that ewm would start this thread, i have made it.


a danish paper made a cartoon about mohammed of the islam.(which isn't allowed in their religion) the islamic world is upset and roits against the EU and denmark are spreading. People burning spitting and running over the EU en danish flag to offend the danish and european people. even demolishing government buildings and not buying danish products. The european arabic liga even made cartoons about hitler sleeping with anne frank. to show they have the same right of freedom of speech as the danish paper with their cartoon.


what do you think about the current situation?

i think all those people have like a special room with flags and when they have the excuse they can grab them and burn them. it's kinda like a hobby.  getting from uhmm ridivulous to insane  :omg:
 

Well i compleltley agree with what the danish have done (look at my sig) they constantly publish cartoons about jews, christains and the west mockingly but at the first site of the west doing the same they erupt, the west has elvolved and changed over time they have not, they are still the same as 1400 years ago but with more tech.
Here in the west we have learned that the person next to us my not agree and his opinion may be different, but we accept that, they accept that there opinion IS RIGHT and that you will be punished for it.
FFS islam its a cartoon i could understand it if it was a statue in every wester capital its a cartoon and you are provoking us to keep publishing them by trampling on our rights (and flags). the west is starting to get ****** with you.

check this site out
Faces of Muhammed (http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/)

Propaganda. Iran president speeched up his men...i feel a strong flair of war rising up! Childish and emotional acts of "what uīve done uīll get back"-opinions like in Israel between Jews and Palestinian groups could overwhelm the world.

BUT! Christians did so aswell hundreds of years ago...the only difference was: They had no knowledge of nuclear weapons that could eliminate the whole world. Much islamic groups are full of hate for the western civilisations but the same count of moslems critisize what their own ppl are doing. So stay quiet and donīt provocate situations like this. maybe they calm down.  

thare is a difrants between freedom of speech and insolting a nuther religons buleeffs.


if the muslom religon it is a sin the rite mohamed in serton ways. after mohamed is riton it must be distoyed in a serton way outlined in the krone. so not only to use mohamed name in a way that insolts the muslom religon but to make a image of him with a bomb ion his hed is a abuse of freedom of speech.

freedoms of speech is intinted to left pepal exprees tham selve opinly with out the feer of punishment. it was not intinded to to be used as a way to instolt uther colchers on perpose.

JUST BE CUSS YOU CAN DUSS NOT MEEN YOU SHOULD.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

now i here that iran is going to print holicost caroons as retribution for the mohamed cartoons.

this is out of controle.

lol well you see now alot of europeans fo on the street protesting about the holocaust and burning arabian flags.... uhmm NOT. It is clearly just overreaction on the arabic part. the only reaction there was when the holocaust cartoon was printed by the european arabic liga was a complain from some jewish fund.

and every joke is based on an insult. i mean if you start making a joke about amish people,  the amish don't find it funny but they don't start barging in and kill the person who made that joke.
same with those cartoons of  politicians, you don't see them start talking on tv that they have been insulted by them. because it is a joke.

and expressing your oppion is not always without fear. expression of your oppion comes with responsibility. i mean if a politician starts spreading word that he hates all jews then he isn't making friends either or that all americans start saying that they dislike black people. same thing.

it isn't allowed to say that in public but in your privite home some individuals do believe that what is said in the example above.

TBH i really cant see what is so offensive with the cartoon  :huh:  , assuming it is the one that was in the Sun newspaper (Euf/someone else in UK, may be able to confirm this). i mean jesus & God (catholic one anyway) have been used in cartoons 1000s of times & you never really hear of anyone crying about it let alone worldwide rioting.

if you get upset by a cartoon, which i think are supposed to bring light humour to every day things, well i really think you have problems, there are far more important things in life than a cartoon. if it was made to insult muslims then those people should have their heads examined, (i mean what did they think was gonna happen in todays world :rolleyes: ).

@roach i dont think its muslims in general that are so incensed by it, just the hardline ones who go around telling other muslims to do horible things themselves. i sincerly doubt that the majority of muslims are all that bothered by it, (not one of my muslim friends are)

with me not having any religon i tend to try and stay away from discussions like this but this has really caught my eye.

well to tham mohamed is as sinsative a subject as the hosicost is to isreal.

musloms take thare religon very very sierisly and it is not wise to sick a brach in to a horints-nest.


most jokes i make are not instoling pepal and the ones i do if i do are in privte whare the peron or perosn how are the brunt of the joke can not hear it.

to the arib word mohamed is not joke like the halocost is no joke.

you can't have a joke without taking the mickey out of yourself or someone else, animal or thing. otherwise it isn't a joke.

look at laural and hardy always feel in teh jokes of hardy at his own expence. if he took it seriously he would be very annoyed.

because a joke like why did the chicken cross the road, is even offending to a chicken because in that joke he is made to look stupid. fortunately the chicken can't understand english :)

so tell me a joke that isn't offending anyone.

whould you make a insolting joke about a terminly ill person to a terminly ill person.

some times you have to think about what you are saying.

Its seems like certain people can make fun of others, but those other people cannot make similiar jests at the first group of people.

Certain Muslims tend to take things way too seriously anyway. There will aways be people who cant take a joke and go off on other people because of it.

If people just learned to take jokes and either ignore them or make other ones back, we would all be alot better off. Destroying property because of an silly cartoon is childish.

Dirty Harry
thare are some things that are in bad tast. some thing should not be jokes.

well its not just muloms crichans have simler tindisys. if you go up to a evajelic crichan and say i think jesus is a stoopid moron i shere you would get a angry respose.

when you bleve in some thing so much is be comes rality you tined to take it very sierisly.

like i sed some things should not be jokes. thare are all ways going to be pepal how feel strongly about things to the pont thay jet insolted if some thing says thay are rong or degrates tham in thare eyes.


----> my sig quote= I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. By: Gerry Spence

bad taste is different to everyone.

and it depends in what kind of situation you are that the joke is funny. even if the teminally ill is involved.

and why should a moslim half  around world start complaining about something that happenend in another country where it is normal? besides, why did they just didn't complain instat of starting a rampage. and the danish people aread appologiesed anyway. but that doesn't help.

you have to understand the muslom religon and colcher to understand why.

the thing is though, they produce things about the west and the west has just ignored it, why can't they do the same, and what you was saying about the majority of muslims not caring, why is it such a big thing, its a world wide issue I would say that was the majoirty of them.

With my experence of muslim culture is is fanatical and extreme, degrading to others and anything that is different to it then it IS wrong and deserves to be blown up. There culture (again going by experence ) is to take over things and not intergrate, you can see areas of the town that are fully muslim nothing else, they are almost like a gang if your different you can't be in and we're better than your gang sort of attutide.

I would say that this is just the situation in my town but i have seen it in many other citys and town ( I have even seen it in some parts of wales)

1) that is so stereotypical of you and quite frankly offensive to every muslim who ever walked the earth though I don't expect much better from you of all people.

2) All these problem's we are seeing are not to do with some cartoons but a greater problem, although in general muslims are peace loving people the radicals among them have a strong hatred of anything that doesn't go to a mosque in a turban all the time. Proof of this is that today in afganistan the rioters attacked not only some very ****** off danish people but a US military base! The British army had to go and reinforce the UN forces across the country. These cartoons are three things, an excuse for the radical section, a reason for some of the more peaceful muslims to get angry and most importantly the spark to a much bigger fuse for as much bigger bomb. Indeed when you not only count the cartoons, Iraq, Isreal and the westernised muslim countrys of Jordan and Saudi-Arabia you are lookign at a massive problem that will get worse. It has even being sujested that a third world war will come as a result, while that may be an over statement, it is on the right lines.

Like burning Danish flags and destoying embassies.

These things were done in violent anger and rage!

(and I'm sure that the Muslims had guns  :o )

personal insluts aside, the fact that my town is 44% asain, 23% black 13% arabic and 20% white in a town that is now going down hill dramaticly and has been awarded the worst for a lot of things in the uk, the fact that they burn our flags here in the town and the fact that they burn our fact full stop, they have no respect for our culture, they have forced political correctness to make a mad turn for the worse (A school was baneed from having hot cross buns last week as it was offensive to muslims ... )I think i am more than justafied in my statement.

well if you can understand how thank think this realy is not serpising what hapined.

meny pepal dont understand the arib world wich is a big mistake.

just as shocking as you mite think thay are thay think we are alot wers bleve me.

thay are a very very conservive pepal with very very stong bleefs. to thay the west comparted to tham wich looks very very libral in its vowes is hard for tham to understand.

all arib men go to meca when thay reech a serton age and spind hawers walking arown it. in the cinter of mecca is a small house thats bleveved to be mohamed home. only one person can enter the home to cleen it, i dont remiber how that person is.

(http://www.coej.org/hajj/tawaf2.gif)


more images of mecca http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor.../mecca-pics.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/mecca-pics.htm)

mohamed is the most holi figer in the muslom religon. to insolt this man is one of the most offisve things in the religon.

Jesus is the most holy person for christians ewm. There were so many things why we could blow up other cultures  but this man teached us the clear opposite. (Bush did that primary for the USA not for Jesus even if he said so) If ppl harm you because of your religion (and thats in fact one of their issues because christians belief is the wrong one) then let them harm you twice and three times and four times till you die. btw thatīs the reason why we donīt say anything against cartoons that harms our belief...and be sure for me it did so often! I could go mad and be like them who lose control but i got some kind of peace i canīt explain...

In contrast to that:  Mohamed did not teach so...for them one rule is fact: If someone harms their belief (including cartoons) they are allowed to stand up against it and kill those who harmed them / trying to eliminate the islam. Means Jihad. Eye for eye tooth for tooth. that is their slogan.

Bible sais something about a false prophet (Revelation 19)... Mohamed ??? Very interesting this part of the bible.

 

as Jan said Jesus is the holyest of christians yet they blasphamy him so... I my self am an atheaist so.

a nuther fact musloms pray to mecca 5 times a day. thay stop what ever thay are doing and pray.

to insolt a mohomid like that is such a grate insolt ot a conservative  and deeplay relaiges pepal.

you will probly see more vilants for time to come. it will take a long time for the arib comunity to for give denmark and uther contrys that dislpyd the caroons.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

just remiber you cant fores pepal to chage. pepal only chage when thay wont to.

there is a big differance in an reaction and and an reaction.

you can either just sent a complaint to the danish people. or just start a flare war like this.

and the way this is handled on the muslim side is very childish and over exaggorated. you can't dismiss that.

even withh that mecca rout they just mis just a few cells in their brain that every year when the festival is closing people start to crush other people fanatically just to get the whole thing finnished in time.

most of the people protesting now don't even know where denmark is or even what it si about. they just joing the croud.

well if you where tot that life is just a traing grawnd for hevin you mite look at thing a bit difrantly.

thay mite evin think thay are doing us a ferver by showing us that what denmark was haribal.

you ave to under stand how much the islomic world cares about thare religon.

Dilemma is: All parties are right. Generally itīs unacceptable to harm ones belief but on the other hand muslimes lifetyle (just mentioned supressing of women) or behavior like we see on TV itīs unacceptable, too.

This will come to war, itīs just a matter of time. And then itīs going to be a third world war thatīs for sure. A real world war because muslimes life in nearly every country on world. In germany we are 81 million ppl and 3 million are muslimes. So if this is gonna be a war then it will be so terrible youīll never imagine. Start of this war will be attack of Isreal. Thatīs theit first aim. Itīs just logical. If Israel is attacked the US will help..a chainreaction will follow. How many countries will be envolved i canīt see. Muslimes are linked with terrorism in our minds.

There wont be any war, just ya all relax. Plus Muslims dont stand a chance in open warfare and they know it. There could be a significant increas in terrorism though...

About the whole case, I support Belgium and I think its a case of freedom of speach. As somebody already mentioned movies/cartoons/... make fun of Jesus A LOT of times so I dont see why Muhamed should be any different.


 

There is no way anytime soon that the Muslims will attack Israel in a large way. Isreal is much too powerful. They have so much firepower that they can destroy an invading force up to 300 miles out side of their borders.

Israel also believes in pre-emptive strikes. They will not sit around and let their fanatical neighbors amass a huge army.

Are concern should not be in protecting Israel, but what to do with all the bodies that are left when Israel annihilates an invading force

 :lol:  

when i mention  "a matter of time" i didnīt mean next weeks. Look further. There has been a constant increase of count and intense of such conflicts. I donīt say that this is  growing up to a war. i always said IF...  .
btw what do you think about irans president. do u think heīs a rational person...as rational like his followers? Those ppl are blinded by their religion and see things in their holy book they whish but arenīt true just to to justify what they are doing. with allah, they believe, nothing is impossible. further i didnt mention that iran is planning ( or already own) rockets with a range of 6000 km.

Other question: Why do you think were this cartoons/carricatures published to muslime states 4 month AFTER they were in europe?

 There stands a plan behind it. This was a wanted act of Irans president.

humm if you said this to me on sepetemer 10th 2001 and it was about the USA i would have said the same ...

True Israel have one of the most advanced and strongest land armies in the world right now.

About Iran: The fact of the matter is, the convencional way, they cant do nothing. The only "reasonable" way they can fight the west right now is by supporting terrorism and trying to intensify terrorist actions.  

i think they are jellus of the west, and it's rather childish

its just the way thay vowe the world.

thare hole life is basted arownd wershaping mohomid. to degrate mohomid in eany whay is the most personal thing one can do.

you guys dont understand tham. i dont fully understand tham but i have a idea of how thay can see things.

yeah and i have an idea how they think of things, "It's different blow it up!"

thats rasist.

thare are a small minority that are religose extreemists.

 &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp;  
 

soooo, your saying its ok for these extremists to blow innocent people up... because they are misunderstood -_-

alot of my friends are muslim & they didn't bat an eyelid to this cartoon.

not thats not at all what i am saying.

what i am tring to get aress to you guys is that the arib pepal need chage the whay thay look at islom be for you can bring up fredom of spech and all that good stuff.

untill thay understand that isom is not a whay of life and that its a religon.

yeah but thats not going to hgappen, its been the same for over 1400 years so whats the odds of it changing now?

ashaly it has chaged its gotin wers be cuss of the west taking advatege of parts of the midal east and be cuss of the unfochint sichation with ireal and uther facters.

we need to strech out a hand in peace and showe tham we can be very good frinds if we wont to.

if we will be a slowe proses but we can do it we have dun it in the past.

fiting fier with fier just berns us both.

umm yeah but past experences tell me that it won't work, ie crusades, WW's, **** (the war against terror lol)

Eufnoc. Even muslimes say that those reactions are a product of propaganda. Plz donīt see all muslimes as one bad group. They are so different. you really should have a closer look to those ppl before blaming all together.  

er actually a religon IS a way of life... otherwise it isn't really a religon is it :rolleyes:  

i dont a gree you can be religus and not folowe evry thing that ones religon states.

buddisim is a way of life, islam is a religion

Budism is a religion with the ideal that it doesn't matter if god exists but about more "practical" things like stopping suffering.

I am doing a GCSE in religious studies at the moment I should know what I am talking about so :P

been there done that and completed it with a B, buddisism is classes as a way of life, they do not have a god and do not worship any one there sole focus is to get enlightenment. there fore is not areligion.

They do not worship a god but they have deitys such a Mara the devil

Stop this.  

sorry this is about the west and islam

right now alot of arib musloms are inraged by the caroons and are demaneding that the caroonist stand trile for making the cartoons.

right now sinativity is whats needed not resistants. alot of the muslom arib world sees the west as intolernt tord islom. we need to show the east we are tolernt tord islom and that we respect thare reliose bleefs.

you have to keep in mind the climit of the east right now hamoss just won elections the us/uk is in a very unpopler warand you need to keep the history in minde not tominton the tinchons with iran right now.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eufnoc you mite wont to chage your sig...

your sig is barder line. you know the drowings are insolting to pepals religon but you still show tham in your sig not 1 time but 3 times..

the perpuse of the cartoons where as a joke. the whay thay are shown in your sig is not a joke.

you might want to stop telling me what to do, you might want to change your sig its only a joke but it's offense to bush. same thing on a smaller scale ewm, I belive in freedom of speech and not being censord by my own goverment let alone a bunh of nutters in the east. if they don't like our way of life and our freedoms then tough, we don't like your extreme viewsand extreme egostatistical views.

thares a difrants be tween permoting freedom and insoltiing a hole rligon i am just saying that your sig is not going to convise eny one to chage ther vowes.

your sig is very hostoll i am just sugesting to tone it dawn a bit.

no

if i make a joke about dyslectic people. do you start burning the flag and rampage out on the street ewm?


please say yes.   :lol:

ok what you have to realise is that as mentioned before religion is the most important part of a muslims life now to insult that is insane


TO tell the truth i think the Danish paper were ******* idiots to even publish it im not saying u shouldnt have free speech but you must excercise certain ammounts of restraint and common sense

honestly im a Muslim and im not in the streets burning flags but i am beginning to gain a serious ammount of contempt for western civilisation

the point im trying to make is ive always been PRO west and peace but with the way that things have gone on for the last what 30 years what can i say


Supplying Iraq and Afganistan with weapons
Then attacking them

Invading Iraq i dont even have to mention what was wrong with that
afganistan now a country going into anarchy


also to a point made that arabs dont stand a chance let me tell you something most arabs and muslims are peaceful its only a small part of us that are terrorists and i dont like the way people have steriotyped us all to be like that


what im saying is that if u think they dont have a chance then you have serious problems if Jihad ever started on the west the west would loose as would the rest of the world it would be permanant armagedon

there is no doubting that Muslims fight harder than any other race in the world

and who said they would need to go out in open conflict terrorist attacks at the moment arent exactly being stopped are they

just think about it  

tell you what the problem is it's the western goverment and people in posisionans of public responsiblity that causes these fellings towards ethnic minoritys. for example, one school in britain is no longer going to sell hot cross buns because they consider it affencive to ethnic minoritys. stupid things like that cause people to say, 'huh what the **** is going on' this then ultimetly leads to ethnic groups being blamed for these thing, when it's not there fault, it's the people in power that are to blame for sturing hatred,

[color=8f55ef]an image for you. polititions standing around in a play ground, one acsidently says ' i think it's stupid not calling christmas lights christmas light, as that's what they are(not festive lights)' the others in the play ground go silent and start pointing at him

'oooww you said a norty word, ummmm' lets make it law that christmas light now have to be called festive lights, (this will make me look good! and i don't what them to point at me so i better go along with it)

another politition says well not everyone believes in christmas, it's afencive to those that dont belive in it, i know lets ban christmas'[/color]

it's stupid, they all are so keen to make them selves look good that they cause hatred towards the ethnic minoritys.

i think that everyone should stop pussyfooting around the subject and say if somone doesn't belive in somthing thats fine, carry on doing what you where doing and respect the fact that somepeople don't believe in what others do.  stop bending over backwards to make an minorystand out when most of them are happy in the knolage that countrys such as Britain have many religions and that chistianity happens to be the countrys offical religion, and understand that, that mean the country will have a relationship with that religion.

yeah i agree with you on that politicians are to blame for most of the hate towards the minoritys but

i still think the denmark papers shoulda had some common sense

yea they should have used some commen sences, but i think the angle that they were comming from was, the people that they were insulting in the cartoons (the muslims) have the right to demonstrate and protest and say it's feespeach but when ever somone uses free speach agenst them it's suddenly not alowed.

i think taht they delideratly made them and published them with the intention of crreating anger to bring this point to light.

i do not agree with the way they when about doing this. so yes they should have used some commen sences.

closed