Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

well we all want it replaced so which ship?
PICK ONE FOR GODS SAKE![/size][/font]

i dont bleve in god :2guns:  :angel: :hungry:

thares no "uther" cadogory os if thares a nuther ship on the list you can slect it. :detective:

well im gong for the galaxy 3 beacuse its cool and its a friggin phaser cannon!

there is no galaxy 3 class

i think you mean Galaxy X

and that ship never exsists so its pointless to have cause it was in an alternate time line and 3 nacells have no benifit compared to 4 lol

what we want is a prometheus thats a kick *** ship

A Battlestar for the win! :lol:

Nah, joke votes aside, I really want the Prom...it's so cool :D

Prom All the way, nothing like a cannon heavy cruiser :)  

I like the prom 2
and the galaxy refit remember? not the alternate timeline 1 the other 1the U.S.S. Titan one
P.S. to DocaCola-there are several varients of the Defiant class i would like you to look into such as the hornet.  it would benice to have the defiant evolve like the rihnen
here is a link
Defiant Varients(Under Escorts) (http://www.furryconflict.com/tech/technopedia/federation/starfleet/starfleet.html)

i hate that thing its just not for this time frame but imho

the Khitomer would be a sexy vessel to have over the whats it called remore class

I ahte the remore with a passion
we need to replace it with something sleek and pretty.  something new.  A carrier?  
some choises.-
the nova?(a little to small)
take it out(so we can havedefant varients!:D)
Prometheus(to small for dreatnaut but good size to replace remore
a carrier(or do we have one aleady?)
name another ship
 

just go with the doomsday machine
we won't have to argue about a canon battleship
that most people aren't going to agree with anyway

it'll fix everything.


http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Doomsday_machine (http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Doomsday_machine)

Ew...not the space Bugle! :omg: *Crunch Crunch*

(For those of you who've never seen bugles, and live under a rock, here (http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/brands/brand.aspx?catID=438).)

:lol:  Very nice !

Apparently im an idiot  :mellow:  

you know the only reason i hate the decent class is that the texture just doesnt fit with the rest of the fleet if they perhaps changed it improved it and made it look like the other ships textures then perhaps i could live with it  

the decent is just ugly-period

The Descent-class may not be the best ship ever created but what's even more uglier is the prometheus :x . What's good-looking on that ship anyways.

the galaxy is just beautiful

The remore doesnt need replacing any more, go take a look at the new v3 shots of it it looks awesome. But to replace the decent I have to say either the galaxy 3, which is not the retarded 3 nacelle one but the one that was floating around in these forums a couple of weeks ago, To be honest I dont really care too much which ship replaces it aslong as its a battleship/dreadnought (well there goes the promie) and looks awesome. OR It could be replaced by a ship with certain special abilities that maybe isn't very powerfull but can pull its weight because of them.

 

oh look the prometheus is winning
 

1 prob:
Prom = Tactical Cruiser
Descent = Dreadnaught

They are completely incompatable, in size, crew, speed, the "fear facter", and recources required.

 

i guess i'd go with the galaxy 3. (the dom refit, not the gal-x)

Actually I like the decent, but because so many people want it replaced it looks inevitble that it will be replaced. And because I want it to have a worthy replacement I'd like to propose the titan class of bi:vr.

Oh I dont think it'll be replaced, just retextured and maybe remodeled. Its a unique FO design and they do love their designs :P

I also think it looks ok :)

The reason I hate the descent isn't just that its a kitbash (it is, in every sense of the word), but that its a bad kitbash, arbitrarily combining peices from five different ships!  These include the Galaxy (saucer section), Akira (the rollbar that is stupidly the only thing holding the ship togather), sovreign (nacelles), Excelsior II (engineering hulls),and even the Steamrunner (the rollbar over the saucer section)!  It looks like it belongs in the Frankenstien fleet, along with those nasty intrepid and excelsior varients!  And its not only cobbled togather, its done so very poorly.  In fact, in has no less than five deflector dishes, and looks like it will simply tear apart when it hits a bump!  Clearly, this design MUST GO.  The only question is which design to replace it with.

 And also, you have to remember the Canavral class.  It's still here, but the design was completely changed.  If the FO team did that to the Descent class, I would be satisfied...

i would be cool with that.

I just hope its less kitbashed...

i know this is an old thread but i was playing the concept future mod and thought of this neat ship. it might be a bit of a kitbash but if it is it's a **** good one. and if it was upscaled a little it would make a kicka$$ dread. it's called the gun cutter, and it’s classified as a defense cruiser

Guncutter pic 1 (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot0002pb.jpg)

Guncutter pic 2 (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot0019md.jpg)

Guncutter pic 3 (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot0026ur.jpg)

I think that's just a N0x1 era Descent Class.
I really don't think its as important to replace this class, because if the Feds really wanted such a large warship they'd screw it up, I think the Descent accurately portrays their flaws.
if anything
it should be physically bigger so it displaces the Sove in a more obvious tone.

what??? the guncutter is an nx-01 dread? are you blind or something?

It does look ok to me, but descent doesnt look all that bad either :P

leave it alone!

not to push the refit issue too far
but what about an option to add another nacelle + phaser like the Enterprise from "All Good Things..." alternate timeline?

(http://www.stguardian.to/fed/galaxy/galvar.jpg)

well i don't like  the whole tri nacell configuartion, just looks misplaced. the phaser vannon is cool though, but not really federation like

it would be cool to have an warp in galaxy class refittable (like those romulan fighters)

i would like to see a new Fed Battleship ... kind alike a Galaxy 2 , i think they look far more cool in battles than those sovereign class ships ...
on armada2files there was some kind of Galaxy 3 ship ...
and if not ... make one ..

well doesn't that new fed battleship have a massive phaser cannon on it?

about the Galaxy-X, not a fan of it. but i would approve of a dominion war refit Galaxy (i think ghost's comp mod has a good one in it).

i find the whole galaxy ship a wierd design. sure it has a great design  but it is oen of the most ineffecient ships i've seen. it's is a high cost production ship, not very efficient in my eyes.. most of it decks is used for relatives and other family members of the crew... if you just craped that part of you could have use that space for propper weapons, shielding, research facilities or make a BIG trooptransport or carrier out of it.

No that 3 nacell config sux, its just a kitbash, I dont know how would that be different from the current descent "kitbash".


I still say: keep it as it is OR make a whole new model, let the FO team make up one - they are good at it :P

Personally I dont think any replacement has to be a huge battleship, a smaller ship with some fancy special abilities would be just as good and perhaps reflect the scientific and exploration part of the feds.

However I am intreged about the refit idea what about getting rid of the descent and having 3 different nebula pods which fuse with the standard nebula class, one being the sensor pod with tachyon detection grids and vastly increased sensor range aswell as perhaps a sensor jammer special weapon. Another being a weapon pod that was equiped with 2 phasers and a quantom torpedo launcher and how about the third being a defence pod with a Point defence phaser weapon, increased sheilds for the nebula and perhaps a shield resore special weapon.

that .... sounds cool to me ... a great idea ...

Im not so sure, the whole idea behind the descent is that it delivers the firepower that the feds sometimes lack. They already have an array of cool special weapons, which usually give a bonus to your whole fleet.

So IMO it should stay a big bad battleship ;)

I really like the Nebula refit idea, though I would contend that movement speed also be a factor in this refit. As in the defense version should be slow and heavy, the attack version should be faster to keep it at the front of the rest of the fleet.

I think my problem with a genuine Fed Battleship is that it makes limited sense to my concept of Federation tactics and strategic theater of operations. Fed ships cost a lot to build, and they have a lot of ground to cover. The Galaxy  class was a huge commitment of resources, and so every larger iteration afterwards of Fed heavy cruisers, battle cruisers, etc.. gets progressively more expensive.

to a point this is fine
but ultimately the Feds are about out-thinking their enemies
so to build a Battleship would cause more issues than it would solve
Supplying, refitting, and post-war roles are always keen in the Fed's heads... in my opinion. Both the Galaxy and the Nebula were built with lots of swing space, able to be adapted to a specific role... usually this is filled with science equipment.. but this being Fleet Ops we can assume this space would be used for wartime stuff.

The Feds face plenty of enemies with BIG ships, both in and out of Fleet Ops. The Borg, The Romulans, and The Dominion love their big ships. They are also especially warlike, either due to constant conquest or because of warlike neighbors. As in; the Roms can afford to have Warbirds as the primary backbone of their fleet because they don't go anywhere. The Borg consumes huge parts of space and needs to keep doing so to support and infrastructure based almost exclusively on Cubes.

If
the Klingons became as dependent on the Negh Var as say the Romulans are of Warbirds they would go broke, their fleet would be easily shattered, and they would be killed off. If the Dominion didn't have a strong mid-cruiser line they wouldn't have a prayer invading the Alpha quadrant.
I think
like the Klingons the Feds are going to want to reuse & refit as much as they can. And once in a great while they'll come out with something really special, like the Galaxy Class, and then the Sov class... building a large well rounded super-cruiser.

I say,
go with the Nebula pods..
AND give the Sov the ability to get long range phasers
throw those 2 in with some Excelsiors and it will give you fire power that no single line of Battleships can contend with.

as far as the nebula refit goes i like the idea of it. but i think the armaments should be modular in design, so you can equip it with a sensor package then remove it, then add a quantum torpedo package, and remove that and put in the defensive package and so on and so fourth. The reason I liked the canon nebulas best of all was because of that flexibility. If you need a scanning vessel at first, then you find you need more firepower you can improvise. But just one thing, I think to refit the equipment packages you should have to dock with a station or something, because you can’t do it in space.

Well the thing is, a nebula with or without pods is nowhere as strong as a Galaxy type battleship so it cannot really be such help in big battleship engagements.

I agree it should be upgradable, its a good idea but it shouldnt replace the descent class. I still say make a new descent model or maybe make the sovie and galaxy stronger as I think they should be, only a few were made and they are the top model of the federation but they should also be A LOT more expensive  I mean they are known to be very costly.

a nebula with the weapons pod has far more torpedo firepower than a galaxy, and since it uses the same type of phasers (if not the same number of arrays, diference cant be that big though). the nebula with the weapons pod has a bit more overall firepower than a galaxy, just less shield power, and a slightly weaker structural integrity (hull points).

So 1 on 1 it loses, I just want a big battleship for feds that is actually quite a bit stronger than a galaxy :S

yeah! if anything, mage the descent stronger :D

Its strenght is ok as it, just dont make weaker :)

and for the love of god, don't put in a ship from a different time period and don't make a ship up!

If Im not mistaken the descent is a made up ship :S

The Descent is sub-canon as far as I know,
the only place else I've seen it is in Fleet Command Volume 2
as the Federation's Battleship.  

it is an official ship, which is supposed to have served during the dominion war

cannon is not always better, (look and then nx01 enterprise) they do get lazy

yeah, but it is more realistic, it allows you to "fall" into the game.

Yamato at BattleClinic (http://outalance.battleclinic.com/Antivyrus/ship.php?id=3074)

i like that  :o  ^_^

edit i'v downloaded it, and the saucer looks not right for it, i was exspecting a more merander class style

see what i mean in this picture, the one above make it look like miranda (which i like) yet from the top...

that's about right
though in SFC the top nacelles were vertical, not flat.

Have any links or other evidence to back that up?  

I've never seen or heard any mention or refrence to it in canon.

Neither have I......




OMG RedShirt has returned, welcome back man..... :)

.....Just dont spam like u did! :P

there is no reference to it because it is a made up ship by the FO team. Any story given to it was just as made up as the ship was  ;)  

Which is to say that it's poorly pieced togather from about 10 other stories.

I first saw it in StarFleet Command Volume 2 as the Federation's Battleship, which I believe predates FO.

i don't want to search for it, surfice  it to say, it is a modification of the nebula, designed for the dominion front.

You dont want to search for it and I dont really care if its canon or not. I got used to it and I want it to stay :)   Still think that its made up though.... :P

I KNOW its made up.  I tell you, only Fleet Ops could come up with such an ugly starship.

(http://stgu.com/startrekscreenshots/albums/userpics/10001/hello.jpg)

(http://www.richleader.com/images/Pulse/bargainbin/starfleet_command2/starfleetcommand2_5.png)

(http://www.aquasystem.co.jp/www/pc_soft_z/sfc/sfc_002b.jpg)

 

Almost as ugly, but it's no Descent.  Not just the wrong design, it's even the wrong era.  

However, I'd bet alot of money that that's the ship the Flops team based the design off of.

wot he thought that was the descent? *walks off laughing*

must have his graphics set on super-super-super-low res or somthing.

i think what he's saying is that the descent is a refit of the old yamoto class. which is a theory i might just buy. (i said might)

If a Galaxy, an Akira, two Exelsior 2's, a Steamrunner, and 2 Sovys all crashed togather, I figure that something like the Descent is what would come out.

well iwould have thought a big fireball would have been a better guess but i guess we could go with that :shifty:

Emmm I wonder if you can do a better job? If you can, make a model, texture it and send a image to Optec. If its good Im sure they'll include it in the game, if not well then tough luck I guess :)
But my point: why oh why do u have to insult their work? Say it does not appeal to you, say it isnt good. I dont get it why do u have to keep saying **** about it, they wont change their minds, they already said they liked the model and frankly so do a lot of other folk(including me).

If Darwin's theory of evolution can pull off the impossible, I don't see why the explosion can't!  :D

Whew 5 pages done. lol I must say i like the Desnet class how it is, many cousse of its fire pwoer.LOL if they deside to replace it i would hope they would make something new based on somthing older, for instence. Constilation 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Pulaskee/Luna1.jpg)
or maby a reshuffel, ad the Olimpic, (im parshal to it) and put the sovei in the Decent place.  

lol an Olympic battleship?  :lol:

Where do you come from, Mars?!  ...Oh, wait...

NO the olimpic is added down lower and the sov replaces the decent. lol

yes North Sector pad 19.  

Oh, ya had me worried there for a minute lol

Though i could see it now.....convert the lower engin section to torpedo storage and the upper to engins and crew quarters, along with the bridge, then convert the sphere to masive cluster of phasers. and add tons of torp tubes.......hum.....

Though is Sovie really so much stronger than Neghvar and D'deridex???  :huh:  

sovie stronger than a warbird, you better believe it :P , dont forget that during the whole of TNG they were talking about the D'deridex and Galaxy classes being about equal. and thus if the Sovie is quite a bit of an upgrade over tha galaxy then.... ownage. besides if the sovie replaced the descent, then the warbird wouldn't come into it... Tavara.

the Negh'var i dont know, difficult to tell.  in terms of firepower probs a close win for the negh'var, but combat performance (manuevoring, speed, general layout of weapons etc...) i'd put my money on the sovie.

for me the sovie should definately be the feds most powerful individual ship.

Aye, Wasnt the Sov the first mogor combat vessel? used tec from the defient and all that? Desinied to take on the borg?  

The thing about D'deridex is that its constantly upgraded so in the time TNG was made it might be equal to galaxy but now I bet its stronger, much stronger :P
About Negh'Var, it was designed specifically for war - which sovie isnt and it isnt that much older either(if it is) so I really doubt the sovie is stronger, actually I think it is weaker. But Ill give sovie one thing over Negh'Var, its multifunctional whereas Negh'Var can only fight :D <----but its great at that ;)

the galaxy was also upgraded, so i still think they are equal. the whole thing with the warbirds is that they are meant to scare opponants, hence their size. but in all reality they are pretty poor in combat, absolutely nowhere near what you would first think judging by their size. you could see by the losses that class sustained during the dominion war they were not all that.

I think Rommies work more on upgrading than new ship designes, they see the D'deridexes design as a good basis for their future weapon systems, thats why they havent changed that design in a long, long time :DIts size is ment to scare the opposition but it also gives them A LOT of space to install new tech in :P

The dominion war casualties are so high because(I think) Rommies's entire fleet is based on these big arse battleships, but they have very few of them while dominion stragey is based on mass. We have also learned that it doesnt take a lot of bugs to kill a battleship, just ram it. And thats why they lost so many ships :D

 

look, the nehvar is ALOT stronger than the sovie, based on the fact that it's the flagship of the klingon empire, the d'diredex is a close match with the sovie, it's also alot bigger than sovie, so we can assume it's firepower is greater, we must also keep in mind, that the neghvar and the d'diredex are strictly made for combat, they are battleships, that's all they are, but the sove is also an exploration vessel, so much of it's power and space is used for diagnostic tools and such stuff.

Therefore i agree that theese 3 ships should be sort of "balanced", sovie being "average"(medium range, good firepower and HP) and the neghvar having supreme firepower and high HP, but only short range, the d'diredex on the other hand, being a large vessel, should have superior HP and weaker weapons, but compensate it with medium range.

The Federation Supreme Commander has spoken!

lol, the warbird a match for a sovie???? *walks off laughing*

huh, what? :huh:

no, no, no, no, no. that just doesn't sound right.

Khmmm based on combat I think Neghvar is the strongest next is sovie and the last is D'deridex <----simply because its getting too old :S

This is wrong, i refrence you to Star Trek the Magazine Val 3 Issue11 Page 43 Pargraf 3 Lines 1-5

Also go to DITL and look at the specs... the sov is a powerfull ship.

ps: if you whant scans of the pages i quote jsut ask.    

not is not necceraly true because for all the warbirds "size" most of it is attually empty space in the end a galaxy class star ship is bigger in the tonnage department by about 180 thousand tons by the size logic the galxie sould out gun the sovie but it doesn't i think with its advanced technology i think it out stips the warbird.

:lol:
man i still cant believe you people think that a warbird can live with a sovie.

the difference between a sovie and neghvar is also minor. so much so that in a battle i rekon the sovie would smash it because of its agility (something the negh'var clearly lacks)
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NeghVar would loose against a sovie? Please be real, the firepower it posseses is greater than sovies, so are the shields. Agility doesnt come into play that much when u go battleship vs battleship, but with smaller ships its much more important :P Its not like  NeghVar is gonna miss the sovie with its torps  :mellow:  

agility comes into play whatever the type of ships, what captain in their right mind is going to go head to head with say... a borg cube. it does not have better shields, as fed shield tech is pretty much better than the klingon's.  in the weapons department :
negh'var : 2x type 18 distruptors = probs around the equivlent of quantums
18x type 12 disruptors = equivlent to type X phaser array
8x tripe-fire torpedo tube = kinda lacking behind the fed's burst-fire tube
combined firepower = 5,060
shield power = 800
agility rating = 870

Sovie: 16x type XII phaser array = starbase equivlent phasers (theres no such thing as tpe XIII that was just for SFC).
1x rapid-fire quantum turret = dont think there is any other torpedo firing system in trek that can match this yet.
4x type 4 burst-fire tube = the finest in fed burst-fire tech
4x standard photon tube = your standard photon thrower.
combined firepower = 7,600
shield power = 2125
agility rating = 4,000

think the stats speak for themselves. :shifty:  

This is from ditl?

I do not acknowledge these results lol, imo NeghVar is stronger than sovie. Doesnt matter what u show me, Ill always think that :P

yep those were from ditl.org, as they get compile those stats in many ways like from offical manuals and from looking at the shows/movies themselves id say they were pretty cannon. :P  

The Neg'Vhar is stronger than the sovy- BUT its also less manuveurable and cant make all those fancy beams come out of the deflector dish

whoa...
WHAT!
The Neg'Var just can't be a match for the Sov.
The Klingons are always in a state war, the only way they could pack that ship with the tech needed to match a Sovereign is if they expanded to the size of the Federation AND turned over massive funding to research. They could pack it with planetary defence scale weapons, but even then the Sov would beat it down.
I've been thinking about the D'deridex and Valdore class Warbirds.
I think the Valdore has to be powered by a blackhole, like the other Warbirds. Its faster because its newer, but must rely on much of the same technology.
now
the D'deridex class is big enough, so that when the Roms get more of a handle on the Omega Particle, they could refit it with the new power system = Warbirds that can take a Sov down. But as it stands, even the Valdore would have serious issues with the Sovereign. Valdore is built to be faster and cheaper than the D'deridex class, built after the Dominion war. But I don't think it can stand toe to toe with the Sov.

and the Neg'Var... is just a big ship. It doesn't seem special in any other respect. The Defiant tore its soul out and laughed at it. The Sovereign is a capital ship made after the lessons of the Defiant as a Borg killer. And when you drop a super-cruiser to take a Cube... you know they're just getting started.

Yep sovie is the strongest ship in the galaxy, followed closely by the defiant. Borg cube, tactical cube, Dominion dreadgnought.......
.....all crushed by the power of the sovereigns quatum burst alone  :hmmm:  -_-




It really doesnt matter what info u show me, for me a NeghVar will always beat the sovie 1on1 as much because of the power of its massive weapon systems as the fact that klingons are already fanatical on a bop - imagine what honour is for them to serve on the flagship of the empire<---- they would fight like beserkers ;)



Oh and aboot Defiant kicking NeghVars arse, that was bullcrap and u know it, it only did that because that **** Sisqo cannot die. If u remember he also single handlely destroyed an entire Dominion fleet or rather made them vanish :S


Aboot the D'deridex, its kind of strange in some episodes its strong as ****(like when 1 of them destroyed DS9 with a couple of shots :S - I know it cought them by suprise but still :S) and in others its quite weak(like in that last push against the dominion, if u remember Rommies's flank crumbled first and also they suffered massive losses :S)

eheh
yeah,
I know its a bunch of crap, though I still think the Sov would come out on top.
I don't think the D'deridex was built for grouped strikes, and I think they'd naturually be pretty poor at it. If you give it enough time to charge up (like rotating around DS9 forever) it'll hurt you. But grouping them together is just a poor idea.
I think the Klingons would just be better at building and using smaller ships. And it really shows with the Vor'Cha being smaller than a galaxy, but could wreck it. I think the Vor'Cha is really underrated. I just don't dig the Negh'Var because it seems really strange to produce a fleet level battleship from an empire thats on it knees as far as resources, and has enemies all around who would love to take that many Klingons down with one go.

we should replace the Descent with V'ger
 

**** no would a sovie beat the **** neg'var

it just wouldnt happen the Negvars advanced photons are ******* powerful let alone the disruptors remember the ones it uses on ds9 from the pods those things are ******* murder

add to that the shields are ******* way stronger than a sovvies

i tested this earlier

i played a BC game with the Kobyashi maru mod and **** a negvar rapes the sovy
**** i can beat three with my one negvar lol


as for cannon the sovvy is good but sorry when have u seen it not commanded by picard if u had u would see them fall like flies its only cause  u see the cast that cant die on it same as the defiant took the entire show for it to be ******* destroyed

come on like none of the sites on the web can be reliable either its all speculation honestly there is nothing better than the negvar in the alpha quad bar probs the SUper duper Dominion BB other than that sorry sovvy has no chance u claim its agile it cant move for **** **** the negvar would still hit every shot and it would come down to raw firepower Negvar everytime

and asuming that klingon tech is worse than federations especially the weapons is just ******* stupid the whole race is dedicated to weapons research if anything klingon weapons are More powerful than feds the only weapon feds have better than them is the quantum launcher which is pretty sick

but then again the sovvy just isnt strong im sorry those things just look too vunerable come on u cant tell me a klingon commander on a NEGVAr wouldnt just cloak sneak right up behind and just fire everything at one of the Nacells ? result game over probably cause a warp core breach

**** if i was the commander id hit the impulse engines take em out and **** u could toy with the thing  B)
 

Good post :D
Also I think its important to mention the fanticism of the klingons, as I said b4 they would go beserk for a chance to kill the flagship of the federation :D That has to be like the highest honor one can achieve without actually having to kill the Borg cube :D

though they are allies........again... ^_^  

Im sure klingons are still ****** at the feds and plus that alliance cant last ;)

why would they still be ****** at the feds? :huh:  the whole cardassian thing was considered history during the dominion war.

did anyone actually watch deep space nine here?

do you not remember how quickly they turned against the feds in season 4?

and how they attacked Deep space nine there is always gonna be a few klingons that believe killing a great federation captain in battle would be worth song

 B)  

Klingons are always up for a great battle and Im sure that destroying an old opponent gives your family quite a lot of honor :D

yeah there would be a few, but that dont mean the entire klingon empire is gonna beat down on ya.

thats not the point the point is if it came down to a negvar vs a sovy the negvar would win its simple as that

i beg to differ

The Best Descent Replacement would be the Prometheus Class. However, if the Galaxy-X is around, that would be an even better Choice.

if the prommie is used to replace something rather than just adding it, there would be the urge to make it a super ship. it would be made stronger than a sovie which it aint, contrary to belief.

I love the Prometheus Class but not as an replacemend just adding it and other ships for all race mor bigger better! :lol:  

or you could have an upgrade to for the galexy class which turned it into the galexy x class cos it would kinda suck to have two galexy class in the game.

then you'd have a fleet of galaxy Xs which is just poo :mellow:  

The Galaxy class ships are still limited by command points (or whatever they are called now).

And you could also make the upgrade itself cost points.

Simple solution.

not really worth having the standard galaxy there then, if thats all it'll be used for

/bump

(I'm sure someone will kill me for this)

I personally do not want the Galaxy X in flops.

Maybe all of you disagree with me.

But is it really canon?

Despite being in a future episode.

Galaxy X?  Heck no!  Not that beast!  What we are suggesting here is the Galaxy 3.

I'd post pictures, but the database I got them from has apparently gone belly-up.

I think he's talking about the Galaxy Mrk III Listed in some novels and supposedly appearing at the end of the Dominion War... Basically a Galaxy with Intrepid and Soverign class tech like EMH, bio-nueral computers, etc...

and while you could debate till doomsday if the Super-Dreadnought Galaxy-X is cannon, It definitely doesn't belong in fleet ops :x  

I gotta agree with eoraptor. the galaxy X was a cool hot rod that was a great frolic and lots of fun for one episode. they had a right to go out with a bang ;)  I think that they should replace the current descent model with a model reminiscent of the prommy. IE; arrowhead saucer, Keep the nacells excelsior 2 style though. And only 1 blasted drive section hull!!!! That thing is even more outlandish than the Gal-X with its twin defelctors :x (Talk about superfluous :lol: (Its a fun model, just not a good regular timeline ship ;) ) After all its logical that one of starfleet's most powerful ships would be a spinoff of a battleship prototype ;) And it needs some sort of special ability. ;)

Well, The Phobos Mesh has twin drive-hulls, and no one complains about it! Maybe it's an execution rather than a design thing.

 

lol, I think you give the Galaxy 3 too much credit.  :lol:

It actually never appeared in any reliable source.  I only like it because it seems to be what a post-dominion war retrofit of the Galaxy would look like, with the more sovy-ish hull and soxy nacelles, and a sovy deflector dish as well.  It's just like the relation between the Constitution class and the refitted Constitution class (e.g. Ent-A).  Too bad I lost my pics of it.  :(

Oh, btw do you have a pic of the Phobos anywhere?

Well then they should replace the galay model with a mark 3 model, alter the name and stats slightly and thatd help continuity

I'll have to dig for my renders... a lot seem to have disappeared... if not, I'll boot to XP and do up one right quick.

[edit] as promised

I does have double hulls, BUT it's an stand-alone design and therefore could be made to use one centralized core WITHOUT haveing to do major logistical headaches from rerouting everything and making room for a new core, as would have to be the case with the Descent.