Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

look at this link and post your thoughts:

Star trek online game (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/gaming/online/article/6632.html)

sounds cool however i don't like this bit


what happens if theres two huge clans fighting? you could be 30 min and not able to respawn etc.

yeah the concept is great but i am wondering if it can be worked out. There are loads of planets and as a civiolian player you should be able to explore teh whole planet  and also you can't play as klingons or other empire race.

Also i expect alot of captains as everyone wants to fly a big gunned ship

aye

Oh boy, this has Galaxies written all over it. Noble idea screwed over by too many limitations and bad decision making on the developers part. "Let's make it crap the first time out and then make a ton of expansions that cost more money to "Improve" it, only those expansions will need expansions to make them worth something."

its P to P pay to play.

thay will charge for online game playing thats what terns me off on it.

why do you think the only mmo i play is guildwars, no monthly fee, i though paramount or w/e making this game would be smarter...

i hate p2p if you have to pay for the game and then poay to play the game?!

Pay to play aint that bad Im really into World of Warcraft, it kicks ass.
who siad you will only be federation?
 

Well i just git finished, reading the revised faq on star trek.com and i cant wait. They will probably not release it until 2007-8 because of the beta in 06 will have a huge amount of buges if i know anything about mmo's. They probably will atleast have the klingons as a playable race because in the whole of the fan base the klingons are mimicked more at conventions and ST:The Experince in Las Vegas, Nevada. And they wont release expansions packs or if they do they will release 1 huge one. Most updates will be downloaded like in WOW. So hang in there. Dont grap your torches and pitchforks right now wait a while, until the online manual comes out; then get dissapointed and start a massive mob and storm the gates. :lol:  :D  :P  

they will have the klingons and romulans in there own expansion pack so they can milk it, ie STO: Family Honour (klingon) & STO: Imperail Senate etc

I wanna get it!  I wanna get it!  I wanna get it!  I wanna get it!  Except that there's a monthly fee...sooo, nevermind.

lol my thoughts excatly!

i could not have said it better myself (MMORPGs are going to die b/c of monthly fees...)

mmorpgs are fairly active at the moment, world of warcraft + eve online.

i know but i am predicting their deaths

pokémon was active at one time aswell, fads die out over time, its just a new thing, people will see how stupid they are and get there common sense back

exactly

hey 7-15 bucks a month is not that much most you people have jobs anyways. I dont hav an allowance or a job and i still find legit ways of getting 15 dollars a month. I dont know if prostitution is legit but still... :lol:  
Jk dont worry i dont sell sex or drugs i kame money selling magic cards bitches! :D  

well that is why i like normal singleplayer games where you can play online aswell. or like guildwars or savage a game where you can play online but don't have to pay

Couldn't disagree more MMORPG's are hardly a fad they've been around for years and have been massive since ultima online became the first commercially successful mmorpg (back in 1997), you only have to look at the ammount of people that play each game SWG, anarchy, Lineage 1&2, my own choice World of Warcraft and many others, each has a massive communtiy with thousands apone thousands of players loging on each day, just look at how many people purchased WoW and they've even ran out of stock in alot of places.

Before you say people are stupid, I suggest you learn abit about gaming first.

one could have said the same thing about pokemon a few years ago

But then Pokemon is a children’s show, something that would of been popular with the kids back then but they've grown out of it now, and moved on to something else mmorpgs can be enjoyed be anyone, I’ve met players online who range from 12 years old into their 40's the same can't be said for pokemon, and the fact that mmorpgs have been going strong for along time and are continuing to grow and expand is only a good sign for the future.

Omega does make a point, I have friends that are still playing Ultima online and WoW is a stayer because there are alot of mature guys (ranging 30-40) and even couples of that age playing the game. So some games stays playable aslong as there are updates. look for instance at the game Diablo 2 it is a free online game but is al over 5 years around and still staying strong

Im worried that Star Trek Online will some how leave some star trek concepts out. I dont know what but i know something will be missing.
Sorry for going off topic a little. this is the first thing to pop in mind
 

Yeah its always a worry, but you would expect going with the general trend of mmorpgs, that they'll try to cover as much as possible, im sure you will be able to choose to play as one of the main 4-6 races, the feds, roms and klingons would be a must, im interested in what kind of class system will be used, if they'll go with the more standard system of warriors, medics and the like or devise their own system based around skills.  But the beauty of games such as these and taking Star Wars Galaxies as a good example even if they start of lacking, they can be improved over time with patches, content updates and so on, and I for one am more than willing to wait for a really good Star Trek mmorpg.

about the pokémon, it is still popular with kids today, and i was only using it as an example, there are many fads out there thart can be enjoyed by everyone and have been going for years, just look at harry potter, its read by hundreads, its still at its peak but it will die out, the best example is star trek, it was really popular, died out for 20years plus tng came along it was popular right throught to enterprise and is nort as popular anymore. whos to say mmorpg will not do the same, for all you know they could die out next year and not be popular agauin untill the 30's (that sounds wierd saying that the thirtie's)

Well I do agree that they could become less popular but I seriously drought that they will ever die out completely, the fan base for mmorpgs is immense and even if a lot of the younger players move on to something else there will still be a very good core of dedicated players keeping the games going,  and I strongly object to them being called a fad, a fad is generally something that’s popular for a short time and gone the next usually in less than a year, its more for something like yoyo's that became popular for a very short time and than vanished, when your looking at a period of nearly a decade that mmorpgs have been going strong, that would hardly be labeled as a fad.

again i refear back to pokémon  it started in 1996 (humm sounds like the same sort of time) it still has a lot of fans and many games (sound familar) will proberly keep going on for many years to come as new generations of little dumb kids find out about it (seeing a patten here) even when somthing new comes out there will still be saddacts how watch/play it.

and so pokemon has not died out truely but it has in the same way that MMORPGs will.

Well like most things in life, time will tell on this, but with the massive communities of older players that exist within most mmoprgs it'll be quite along time I can assure you of that, there’s alot of exciting mmorpgs in development and with WoW becoming the fastest-growing online game in history, it should be a bright future.

And as abit of proof to my claims an extract from a recent Blizzard press release.

Blizzard Entertainment today announced that World of Warcraft has surpassed the  2 million subscriber mark. Blizzard expects to see even greater growth with the recent commercial launch in China on June 7, 2005.

And just to add something I’ve yet to say, its abit of a poor comparison between the decline of Pokemon and predictions over the future of mmorpgs, considering that ones a children’s television show and the other is a game, and the big difference in the people that are involved in each mainly young children and people like myself older guys who've been gaming for Avery long time and see gaming not just as a form of entertainment but as a passion.

ok lets drop pokémon i used it as an example, there plentey of harrp potter nuts, lord of the ringshas been around science the 30's with huge numbers of people taking it up and dropping it throught out the years, in the 30's when it come out, in the 80's when the cartoon version came out, and the last few years when the films come outk, notice how most intrest has died again, people are getting fed up of hearing the words "my prescious" and it proberly won't have any intrest in the general public untill they make the hobbit or somthing in which it will once again peak and decline, the samecan be said for harry potter books, no one really cares about them a few months after they come out, but when they have come out everyone is hyper about it, all fads follow a trend, weather they are 70 years plus like lotr, they will go up and down, dying and rising look at the yoyo, that was around in the 1800's somone makes an improvment and they are the latest fad then they died and no one buys them again.

Now to stop my self repeating whati have alredey said i will stop here and await for your reply.

But then the difference between the likes of LOTR's and such is that their limited a to universe that was originally created, regardless of how many new stories etc that are created people will eventually grow bored of the chracters, the world and so one, with mmorpgs the worlds are constantly changing, adding not just new characters, items and quests, but new places to explore, and the fact that your there in the world and not just reading about it is why mmorpgs and in fact gaming on a whole is such a big business now.

Theres really no way regardless of how long we go on to settle this, at the moment mmorpgs are the biggest form of online gaming and the communities are only getting bigger, there has and there will always be the core following that keeps the games alive, the same goes for harry potter and LOTR's, and wether or not they ever become massive again is something to question, but they will never die and neither will mmorpgs as long as that hardcore fan base remains.

I really suggest you guys pick up WoW I know you don't like to pay a monthly fee but you get the first month included, spend some serious time in the game and you'll start to understand why mmorpgs have such a dedicated fan base and understand why they won't die.

i have played wow on a friends computer, i did not like it, i found it repeative as i was using the same moves over and over again fighting and using the same items over and over again. I have not played swg but from what i understand it is shtie so hey, each to there own.

Well it takes time to level up to gain access to new spells and abilities, but i respect what your saying there not for everyone you need to be the kind of person whos willing to invest alot of time to get anthing out of the games, as for SWG the games US release was very buggy and alot of the key features didn't quite work, however the game received review scores of around 70% when it was released here in the UK, and over time with patches and the recent expansions (you can get all 3 in a box set for 14.99 now) the game has improved alot, its the commen mistake people make with mmorpgs in judging them to early.

Hey fools at STO!

Ditch the monthly fee! Don't you get enough profit from $50 a game? Be like guild wars! Otherwise you'll make no money.

Oh hello everyone, I'll get a good sig soon. (Used to make great sigs using SFC3: but that was busted and I'm not paying $140 to replace it)
 

dito TF Gustav Graves.

my thots egesacly the fee will end up lieting the amwnt of pepal how buy tham games. thare are serves that will evin deel with the onling gaming for free for the company praticaly like gayspiy meny games dont charges a one line fee for thare games realy makes me feel that thay are insucer about the new game coming out.

i think thay whood be beter off not chaging an online fee and making the game smaller at ferst and seling the rest as ad ons or some thing.

Well a monthly fee is required to help maintain the constant servers and keep the new content flowing, remember guild wars isn't the same as a standard mmorpg, you have towns and cities that act only has hubs to find groups and talk to people before missions its not a continuous world, and its only a small few that refuse to play mmorpgs due to the fees (kids and cheap skates) and im sure blizzard pulling in Ł8.99 a month from over 2 million people would argue that you don't make money.

I know lot of you people don't play alot of games, but please look into what your saying before you post about it, as its just silly speculation.


Taking the time to correct your spelling aside, again please look into what your saying, gamespy is a game server browser not a games company (it only searches and displays the game servers that already exist for a particular game making it easier for you to find one), and only the basic version is free you have to subscribe to get the full features (again around Ł8 a year)
 

required to help maintain  (bull! dont believe evry thing you here on the intret) thay cood do it with out the munny.


that works for me.


or do what uther game comanys do sell thare games for $60-$80 us dolors and make on line free.

so why don't you have to pay for the blizzard server of the game Diablo 2? or the server of Guildwars?

if you look at thare price tags when thay ferst come out you will see why. meny games do it the whay blizzard duss it, like unreal trnament i am geting halo is the same way half life 1-2 and so on.

thay wont to bump up the price to incress profits. profit is all ways the bodam line all ways with coprs and comapnys.

Of course it is, but do you think people will bite? Most of us ARE cheap-skates! And besides, it isn't World Of Warcraft: it's decaying Star Trek!

Perhaps to solve this problem, maybe people can host games on servers themselves: like BF1942. What you earn is transfered over a network on which the database of your stats is stored then bounced back ready for gameplay. That would be only 1-3 high memory servers with high bandwidth hosted by other players.
World Of Warcraft has that many people simply because it's popular: Star Trek is not. You of all people should know that some Trekkies are overly-obsessive thus making Star Trek seem like a nerd only game or series.
So you can see why I'm saying this. I'm a REAL cheap skate and I'm not paying $15 a month for a game. The most you can pull me for is $5, like RuneScape. $5 a month is $60 a year. $15 a month is x3 that so it would be $180 a year. That's a lot of money: for $180 I can get a gig of ram or a mid-grade Nvidia card, like a 6200.

excatly, countre strike etc you don't pay for there servers, theres a small advert saying content hosted by valve or sponserd by burger king, just while the game is laoding, then it magicly disapears and you don't see it again till you load a new server/map etc.

Oh for the love of all things holy, you do pay for counter strike servers you rent them from server hosting companies for various amounts of money per month (eg jolt and firestorm) depending on the amount of slots and branding (my old clans call of duty server cost 28 odd pounds per month), when you use steam (or any other  SERVER BROWSING  programs like gamespy or all seeing eye) etc to find a CS or CS-S server it just searches for all available servers and compiles a list, those servers are not hosted by valve, only the update servers are and there only for patches etc.

It doesn't cost public players any money to join and play on the servers but theirs someone or a clan thats paying for them.

Please will you all look into what you’re saying first.

yes however it is optional, its just them clans paying for a server it get more rekonised, they do not have to do it as there is public servers such as the halflife public servers etc so for the love of all things holy i did omega, so don't go there.

I'm not paying $15 a month for a Supertrek. Maybe $5 like I said and we'll talk about server repair. $15 I could buy a server for myself for a 64 player grid on BF1942!
Don't dare ruin ST any further Beerman.

To Eufnoc

Yes in away im not being fair to you, there are some servers that are hosted by valve, same as servers hosted by epic (ut04 etc) etc, but they only make up a very very small percent of game servers that are hosted for each game for example epic will only host about 6 servers compared to the hundreds of game servers that are paid for by clans etc.

Just to respond to TF, you can't really say anything bad about ST-O or say that game will ruin Star Trek, the games in early development and we won't see it until around 2007, so theres no telling how it will turn out, you just have to wait and see and speculation is a fools games so just wait for it before judging how it will end up, you never know by the time it comes around that monthly fee may pay itself.

 

can i just say omega, you have the supprot of one of my friends, i know he would side with you when i showed him it, but could not realyl come to your aid with out repeating you, i don't really think either one of us is going to agree with this, so agree to disagree, final word, monthly fees suck!

well, it most likely to be about 7-11 USD. World of WarShmuck costs fiteen USd a month because Blizzard likes to stick it to you.  ;)  

2 more oldschool strategy games will be released  in 2006 ... a present for the 40th ann of Star Trek. Another reason to come out with v3!  :mad:
So if the Demo is bullsh*t, i will never pay for it. thats just another way to get much money for ONE person (maybe several, but that nearly the same).
im on real time strategy anyway...

IF you have ever played a good mmorpg, teh monthly fee is worth it. WOW is amazing when get going in it. ITs all i ever play anymore. It is the closest to having a second life.  I hope the star trek one  and "in the time of conan" in summer 06' does as well. :)
Ive always wanted to be a cimmerian...  :D  

So who wants to start up the why pay monthly fees are wrong and how much wow sucks at present? stick you hand up now or just copy and paste most of this thread for me!