Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

I was trying to think about all the different times Captain Archer and the Enterprise have ruined time. Theres all that stuff about the time war in the 29th century and dont forget about Archer killing Worfs farther before he entered the Xindi Expance. There must be a whole list of these things! :cry:  

about worfs fother thats ok thay can make up some thing. like a domon ship travals thowe time and clones worfs dad. that whood not hert the time line lol.

well thares the ovies stuff like enterpise NX 01 never hapind.

cood trip and tapll be his mom in dad in the if enterprise played out but spocks dad was a volcon 'serok' humm o well thay can chage it.

the fact that the enterpise fot with the the borg in TNG pecard fawnd the borg for the ferst time.

How about the romulans having cloaking devices in archers time.

how about the enterprise ship being more technological advanced looking then kirk's ship

the billions of races that where like a step away from earth that we never heard of.

the andorians at war with the vulcans.  the andorians where one of the first to join.

the Vulcans being more like humans then vulcans.

That alien doctor working for starfleet andbeing actually the first alien onboard besides the vulcans.

The BORG!!! big mistake.

the whole temporal agents and suliban time manipulating stuff.  Temporal technoly wasn't even known back then.

should i continue?



 

and capitan pike was the ferst caption of the enter prise not soct balula.

and in the begining of TOS thay used disrupter not faser.

and in TOS movie on the ncc 1701 you had to fier a torpedo by puling a lever if i am rite whers that lerver naw?

the ship desin of the NX 01 is toaly difrant from star ships in TOS.

LMAO dude, its a difernt ship Pike was still the first captain of the enterpise.

When it comes to how teh tech looks on the ship, what are they gona do make it look all crapy and campy like it was on TOS. No there gonna use tech that looks like its from today, its tocuh screens with decent graphics comapreed to blinking lights,gimmie a break on that one.

They fixed the whole vulcan thing, when the high command got thrown out and they found the kir'shara.

Temeroal technowlefy not being known!!! It came from the future damn it!

The andorians are at peace with the vulcans now, they can still be one of teh first few to join.

Weve always been so far out on the other shows *usualy* its not suprising we havent seen some of these species. I wouldnet say there has been billions or even millions, less than hundreds for that mater.

I dotn see a problem with having an alien doctor, I dontbelive it is explicitly in starfleet.

Who says starship design didnt change like ir often does. Look at voyager and the soverign compared to the galaxy and ambasador.

uhmm well it is a bit weird if other ships being made afterward didn't even had warp nacells (see TOS)

Ships in tos had nacells.

i dont think that it was a big mistake with the borg... as i said earlier in some topics.. i guess it could be explained that the borg were not that evolved to assimilate whole species at that time.. (would result in another directive if thats so).. cause the entprise kept them away.. and that could result in the route the borg moved to as they explored the quadrants and assimilated everything in the time when Q kicked picard into delta.. maybe they 'forgot' about it, searched their archives n came back to earth where they met them the first time, after locating the exact position on ent-D.. bit complicated, but it could be explained.. but im still guessin around bout that ship design of the borg.. cause it looked so much human inside.. like it came from earth.. i dunno..
the only thing that i would call a 'mess up' is the look of the ship (ent) in relation to the ship design in TOS of the ent. but i still think thats not a that baad mistake, cause they kept the klingon d7 n the vulcanships n stuff..

they hads a D7??? I know the bops they use are D5's.

I should mention that originally, the Romulans did not meet humans until around 2161 and that they were incapable of warp drive until they became allies with the Klingons in the 23rd century.

k, maybe it was a d5 i dunno.. im not that much into ship classes of that timeline...

All i know about the klingon ships are that the Bops are D5's so thats probably what it was a D7 is basicly the same as a K'tinga.

D-7 and K'tinga look alike but D-7 is crap compared to it.

I would explain everything with this: When picard and the borg moved back in time the timelines split. What happend in TOS was the "normal" route and what transpires is the new future. In this new timeline things turned out diffrently.

And this text suggests that the Romulans developed warpdrive at the same time humans did: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies2a.htm (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies2a.htm)

I really doubt the Borg "forgot" about Earth.

I'm getting confused about all this talk about the borg... You all realize that the borg that was discoverd on earth was borg from the future right? The ones picard moved back in time to stop?

1. Enterprise is full of sh*t but still great show. Any Star Trek is better than no Star Trek.
2. Teh borg one i still my favorite episode. So (RAsberrys)
3. Klingons looked F'n awesome
4. Who give a crap about a fictional time line. This how i think Enterprise will end. Time line explodes and NX-01 never exsisted.  

i diddant like the fact that their were bops and they were like "our bops will reain doun upon you" as for that D-7 it is a Klokode class not a d7 at leat it shood be or it shood be a D-11 (swift wind) but all the klingons sulaban and temporal sh*t realy pised me off

When I think about it, the way Enterprise looked was definitely screwed up.  That's what happens when Rick Berman gets high off of the crack all the time.

hey man, i like Enterprise. ITS A f***ING FICTCIOUS SHOW! Canon is what people argue whats real in a made up universe. people, sit back and enjoy the show. God, this argument is so stupid. "Its stupid because it messed up a timeline" Come on! Any other Star Trek has to have just as many incosistencies. I have been watching Star Trek for 16 years. (My whole life) I am an authority on it, it was the first show i saw by my mothers admission. I own 7 different refernce books that said to be cannon and even they have many mistakes. SO WHO CARES?
SIT BACK AND ENJOY. And i  know you will miss it when it is gone, if you are a true star  trek fan.

It's not a matter if it's real or not, the only thing that really matters is if it makes sense. Enterprise doesn't make sense, therefore, it's crap.

hear hear!

ewm realise origanal the torpedo was a wepon of mass distruction not a heavy wepon the handel had a button on ot and is was in a spical box wach star trek2 and you can see

for a wile i have a coppy of the ferst ever star trek show eever made it was in black and white. it was a bit difrant from noral TOS spock looked very difrant the hole crowe did but aspeshaly spock.

OMG WHY IS EVERYONE SO f***ING STUPID ENTERPRISE MAKES PERFECT SENSE IF U ACTUALLY f***ING WATCHED THE SHOW GOD DAMN IT !

all u gotta do is watch why does tech look different in Ent than TOS :

Altered time line temporal cold war

borg in ent :

watch first contact

anything else phlox whats wrong perfectly acceptable

i dont understand im serious ENT is a decent show Season 4 is very good im really enjoying it and its a shame its going i think that if everyone who does like trek would stop making stupid complaints because its a prequel and give the show a chance u might like it but noooooooo u gotta keep with the status quo damn man its stupid  

Enterprise = worse thing ever to come to star trek, that and the feringi...

ha the feringi are cool dont bash the feringi.

i dont hate enterprise but i defanitly dont like it ether. thare are serose erorr in the show and most of all it seems difrant from uther startrek shosw its not just the teck its the hole whay things are set up in it it leeves me with a bad tast in my moth i think if it was to contenowe thay whood have a new refit to enterpise and recolore/desine the hole ship add shelds and upgrade the warp engen to like war 7 and finay get new uniforms.

Feringi are gay and anyone who likes the feringi are gay...=]

u know what ur all idiots u all hate enterprise but have no real reason  

I'm sensing some hostility from you 4 of 11 :D

You say we have no reasons, even when we keep giving them...

as i sed i dont hate enterpice!!!

i dont like eny wher as much as TOS TNG or DS9.


PREATOR DEFIANT yes i am happy.

well i watched enterprise, i like it, but i guess it's conflicting with other shows, it's completelly off, the ship looks like akira, the federation doesn't exist yet, according to TOS the ship should be powered by a nuclear engine, or whataver, i'm kinda sorry it will be cancelled, since there's no new star treks in creation at the time(i wonder if this is the end of star trek, god don't let it be)

Of course it isn't the end of star trek. Once new ST games come out, that will attract a new generation, one probably about 5 years younger then me. After that i'm sure we will get another show. Be patient.

i arge with PD thare will be a nuther show. this is far from the eny for ST thay have had tuffer sichations be for and come thowe strong.

pepal are just geting tiered of it and need a brak for a BIT not for ever.

aye and i hope the new series is not on a f***ing fed ship or klingon for that matter, i want it on a rom ship for once.

Hear hear!

time line is explained easy TEMPORAL COLD WAR lol

i dont want it on the rommies i want it on a whole brand new race from the gamma quad or delta something bout struggle vs large opposition

well i would like to see the federation destroyed, the alpha quadrant fu**ed up, and a few surviving rebel ships, consisting of all alpha quadrant races, strugling to regain their former glory, seeking allies, and conducting covert operations, i really like these kinds of shows, strugling against all ods.

I'd like to see star trek run into star wars.

lol, how would the borg adapt to the force?

"you will be assimalated, and may the force be with us"

Love to see a Feringi and a Hutt get into a fight.

well the races of star trek have beter tecnolagy. but races of star wars whood put a a fite be for being defted. but its inposabul eny whay goreg locise duss not wont to make eny more star wars. on a inter vove with with locis he sed his realy love is smaller movies tarigeted to adolts star wars was just some thing for him to ern some monny.

The star wars races have a LOT more ships, except maybe the the dominion. A star destroyer is about 20 times the size of a sovern class. I'd like to see how ion cannon affects the power systems on a star trek ship.

size duss not madter the wepinds mater. you have two keep in mind ships on star trek all have realy well deviped shelds whare in a episode of VOG the voger got hit with a shot from a 8472 ship and still serived.

remiber its not the size that cawnts but what you do with it  ;)

and remiber star trek ships have transporters so thay can sid exspolives eny whare thay wont on eny ship or beem the camiding ofiriser in to space.

when it comes dawn to it the star wars ships with be the strinth of the kazon with out good sheald from VOG.

remember aswell star trek use phasers which are almost 100 times stronger than a laser, a laser would have a job to get through a trek shield, and you see how easy ties are destoryed, a few hits and boom!

Remember that the Empire has millions of starships.  Also, the Emperor and Darth Vader would be more of a match for anyone, even the Borg and the Jem'hadar.

lol but it would be like nats against a shiney uv light, the nats are there inforce and are anoying you (and the borg anoying them back with the nanites from a2 (see nanites thead) and the uv lite (trek) is just killing them all taking little to no damage from the nats

Lasers do suck, but 250 turbo lasers can tear some stuff up. Throw into that equation 250 ion cannons and 250 concussion missile launchers, and you got yourself the arament of a Executor class Super Star Destroyer. That will definately take out about 10 federation ships.

i do remiber a episode of TNG wher the ncc-1701-d lowered it shealed wile the enamy ships had chaged wepinds and wher threting to atck with 3 ships the reson was the enamy ships wepinds wher lasers.

captin sed thay suse lasers thay cant evin hert the hall.


PD: Lasers do suck, but 250 turbo lasers can tear some stuff up. Throw into that equation 250 ion cannons and 250 concussion missile launchers, and you got yourself the arament of a Executor class Super Star Destroyer. That will definately take out about 10 federation ships.

thats whay i say thay are like the kazon from VOG.

the only uther race i ran remiber that use misals wher the frigi in a episod of TNG. the misals in that episode wher prity efetive thay help do a good amont of damage to the Ncc-1701-d. but with missals depinds on the war hed if lasers are the uther wepind thay use the misals cant be two strong in star wars but thay whood bestronger than lasers.
and if thay are moshon detetion misals remote misals or heat seeking misals thare are whays to confuse tham with sinser ecose and holgrafic perjections.

They didn't say how large these lasers were, or how powerful they would actually be against a galaxy class starship, which isn't exactly unshielded. Essentially I think 20 turbos is worth a type 9 or 10 laser from a large trek ship. Thats at the very least.

and what hapinds if a race of star trek ship made a merer sheld that whood reflect lite back at its sorece. thay cood do this with holagrafic tecnolagy wich is basted of of biding lite, clocking devises allso work by bining lite it whood not be a big jump to make a meror sheld.

oh dear... I see a stars thread on the horizon (woot I love to do this) ok dokey lets get into the basics here, these millions of Star Destroyers per say.... ummm hummm. something about Return of the Jedi really throws that off, even the biggest conflict between the empire and the Rebels according to whats left of the cannon movie series (the now six movies that make up star wars, what else you count as cannon is beyond me) but as far as I could tell I only say 30 - 90 star destroyers tops. and we are talking most of the rebel fleet which didn't seem to that have that many ships. Especially not "millions per say". Second slight problem with this lovely power situation that everyone loves to argue "oh the death star can destroy a big planet, it must have a big ass gun... bigger than anything your gay star trek ships have" (thanks Justin for the lovely quote) well I am forced to argue the whole problem of hey did you just see the enterprise melt through a crater with a phaser, and hell it wasn't that small either. it was hiding something.. Hmmm I wonder if one starshipp could melt through one hell of a meteor I wander what big starbases can do, just something to ponder in the back of your heads, there. Second point its a general assumptino that the Feds and all of them don't have that much to spare, oh somewhere on the lovely ex astris scientia site they had a fed fleet prediction (including merchant ships) at about 12,000 at any one time. so I don't think they'll miss ten ships to take out the flaship of the emprie, Second problem, star wars tactics in general seem to rely on fighters, granted there are fighters in star trek, (big ones at that) but when you have a carrier based system you suffer from one essintial flaw, flagships are powerless  in terms of actuall fire power, I assume that you got that outrageous number of weapons for the 1 confirmed SSD off a manual, which is great and all, but there is a slight problem thre is 1 ssd with great and almighty weapon and god knows how many star destroyers, but none of there weapons seem to exceed 2 thousand tera joules, which would make them quite useless aginast those lovely things we call shields... yeah I'd ramble on some more but this topic was about something else completly different.

Enterprise - I only can say that it seemed a bit far off the beatan path probably because they didn't have much to work with in terms of really great wars and plots (except the romi one but that is later i think) but it is a star treck show, not the greatest granted, but Gene been dead for a while now, and I don't know if anyone will ever be able to replace him...

you can say that but thats mostly threay,

with the deth star it needs to fier at a taret that will be in a serton place at a serton time. most star trek ships use avsive mon-overs.

i will not agrowe the pont that thare are wepinds that can do huge amonts of damage evin distoy alot of star trek ships. but thay all have weneeses that star trek tech can deel with most of tham thare are a few thay will have to fite thowe.

2 thousand tera joules a star ship of the feds used more than that we whood be tolking unijoules or biger.


star ships can traval grater distanses faster.
star trek ships have self repare capabiltys with a repilcater endless spily of parts.
star trek ships have asom sinser that scan closer/detaled and ferther awhay.
star trek ships comunications sytoms are beter being abul to cut thow dampaning feeld and tolk over distanses that star wars ships cant traval.
star trek wepinds are more efective batal wepinds shooting in all dretions with stuning accresy.

all thes advatiges whood meen and easy and desive end to all camnd strutchers in a star wars army.

Well ewm every advantage you gave the star trek ships is actually theory.

Star wars ships can actually go faster seeing as how they have hyperdrives.
Star wars ships have a ton of spare parts and crews of I think 75,000 on star destroyers.
Star wars ships Have huge sensor arrays, which are probably better then star trek.
I don't know where you picked this up, they have this thing called the holonet.
Well thats about the only thing that made sense.

but the moleom falcon was suposted to be the fasted ship arwnd its top speed was lite speed wich is = to warp 1.

thats trow keeping all those spar parts takes up space and alls so meens thay will have to come back to home part from time to time to relode.

that whood be unlicky see thay have to get reports on whay the enamy fleet are doing insted of just going to a comuputer console.

in episode 2 the jeti that crashes on a planet cant get thow to the peron he wonted to tolk to he was two far awhay star teck whood have ben easly abule to make the conetion.

 

Hyperspace can let you reach one side of the galaxy from another in a matter of weeks, so SW ships are alot faster.

SW ships are huge, and with all those spare parts replication isn't needed.

WTF you think is covering the bridge of an ImpStar single?

Thats because they were jamming his signal, jesus...

you know what PD agwing with you is fewtile i not ev in gona tray. i think your rong tho.

After reading Fullphaser's post, I must note that in terms of Star Wars, there's more to SW than the movies.  Everything that is the movies and beyond is actually considered canon.  There are books and television specials.  This is all confirmed on the SW website:  www.starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com)  Look up the databank, and look up "beyond the movies".  It's all canon, and the only imperial ships in the Battle of Endor were part of Vader's elite fleet, so there are many more ships in the imperial fleet.

Well ewm I KNOW your wrong, and I also think your an idiot. Star wars was my first passion, and still is. I know wtf i'm talking about.

There arn't just the 3 differant imperator class destroyers in the empire either. You have Lancer class anti fighter frigates, Old republic dreadnoughts, 2 types of Victory class destroyers, 2 types of Nebula B frigates, Corellian corvettes of all types, Escort carriers, Corona frigates, Star galleons, Carrack cruisers, Strike cruisers, Interdictor cruisers. I mean there are alot more of these then the star destroyers.

i respect your option.

sw3 looks neet i hope i get to see it in the theters when it comes out.

Ewm got pwned.

i did that was a lite pawnding that all you got a buter fliy can hit harder than that.

Ewm got mad pwned, he shakes like child. Prolly doesn't even know what the mon remonda is.

I have a link to some star trek and star wars ship designs:

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/OtherGenres.html (http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/OtherGenres.html)

Look up the star wars ships, and you can see what types of star destroyers existed or would have existed.

Well while all of this is a recipie for disaster if physics were taken into account then we must assume that the star wars galaxy is simply smaller, granted both series ignore current physics, but star trek does it to far more of an extent, the fact is the fastest small craft (according to a Smuggler) was only warp 1.2 on the ST Scale, most Fed Shuttle Craft top warp three at maximum, so in standard terms we can assume that Star trek is a bit faster, plus the length of the Medium (standard star Destoryer) is only 700 meters, that puts it on par with the size of the soverin this can be confirmed by comparisions between the fighters and the actuall star destroyers at Endor, so in all complexites I think that even 75,000 is a wee bit un realistic, plus the weapons are simply out matched, you are talking "proton torpedoes" on a standard fighter versus photons carried by the fighters in the retake of DS9 which in all terms are more powerful weapons, plus missles, and lazers are simply to far assocaited with the past ot be powerful,

ugghhh.... must resist the need to post got to go to class

What makes the star wars galaxy smaller? If anything it's larger, seeing as how it has many many more races then the ST galaxy. Then again hyperspace is of course faster then warp. Yes the star destroyer itself isn't very big, but it has ALOT more mass and internal volume. Then with not many crewmen having their own quarters and the economical sense of imperial engineers, perhaps the 75,000 estimate isn't that far off.

Weapons can be solved simply, because the race E-D came accross had fairly small ships, and probably very weak lasers. The class 5 turbolasers on the Star destroyer on the other hand are fairly big, about the size of a shuttle.

haw duss hiperspace work that makes it faster?

you still have not sold me on the lasers and haw some thing that is  usaly so week can be so strong?

If it takes you from one side of the galaxy to the other in a few weeks, it's alot faster then warp.

Well firstly ewm, the only thing that ever said they were weak was that episode of TNG. Then you don't know the size of that alien ships lasers, I can guarantee you a turbolaser is alot more powerful then it.

haw duss it work and when was it stated that thay have gone from one side of a galixsy to the uther?

well thats a nuff for prove to me thay are not. thares all so the fact that no ship in star trek ever chaged a romuulan klingon fringi borg and so with a laser systom susefaly.

I am saying that the Star Wars galaxy must be smaller simply because of the fact that if you look at it you are talking about two systmes that are running on Sci Fi physics, according to what I have Seen the Top speed of one ship or another is 1.1 * the Speed of Light, Now according to the lovely and Indomniable star trek physics, the top speed of one of its vessles is 9.8-9.9 times the speed of light and something a bit faster I think because the TNG is slightly more condeced, I think by the old scale it is actually 15 times the speed of light (theoretically killing anything and everything) In saying that a vessele traviling at 1.1 times the speed of light can cross a galaxy in only a week and a vessel traviling 10 or so times the speed of light takes 70 some odd years just to get through a quarter of the galaxy suggest that the galaxy which only takes a week to cross at 1.1 times the speed of light must be relativly small, actually impossible slow (in fact now that I give some thought to it it takes years just for light to reach us from the nearest star system, meaning the star wars galaxy is either ulta condenced; or someone got their math so messed up it isn't funny at those speeds it would take us nearly 100 years to reach alpha centauri alone (it would take 7 minutes to reach our own sun at those speeds) there is something wrong their please preator take a minute to look at the math... there is something way wrong with 1.1 times the speed of light and getting somewhere that fast, if anyone has a better explanation of the whole hyperspace system that would be great

As for internal volume, even with the greatest usage of space (including cargo bays for food, hydroponics, Fighter Bays, A docking bay and other assorted Items, even the Dominion dreadnaught at a whopping what 1000 meters was carrying barely 40-50 thousand, and with the need to feed and protect the crew not to mention the over wasted amount of space as suggested by the internals of the death star where we see a lovely endless cavern for power generation and it forces me to wonder if star destyores suffer from the same oversized power cores, to match their size that is) their internal volume just seems a bit bloated when you take into account secondary needs for a ship at 700 meters long and 43 decks tall

as for weapons it was stated it would take a fleet of star destroyers to destroy onderon where as my guess (and a hypothesis only based of the power uses of the deflector) that the E-D deflector could probably put enough power through (althoug it would frag the galaxy) to destroy a planet, just think about the overall power output potential plus the already pre determined output of the phasers, plus the nearly limitless power of a matter anti matter reaction and you get one nasty planet killer

Plus these all powerful sensors you talk about, they couldn't even tell the Falcon from a heap of garbage, or tell where it had gone (right behind them) and you expect me to believe that they make up for this with huge long range sensors, heck they were still confused as to postions of fighters in pursuit, this was fighter granted, but still most shuttles know what is following them, plus their is the whole issue of the cloak. it was pondered weather the Falcon could cloak, the captain said the ship was to small, (yet another large ship reference indicating the requirement of huge amounts of space) where a romulan shuttle can cloak, plus ST had invented the Wonderful Tachyon net. so while SW is still pondering the Cloack ST already has a counter mesure

then thier is the issue of the Planatary shield, You are telling me that thier's a ship that large and they can't just stick a shield on the DS (well their could be other reasons for that... but the shields on the SSD were contained in what could have been a radar cone if i'm not mistaken, not exactly the brightest defence system if you ask me, external shield controls.

Then thier is the whole concept in general, when star trek was born the whole idea was that technology be at it's peak and the utopia reign supreme but with star wars tech wasn't the focus it was hey their one hell of a struggle going on and peopel are going to get killed ha zah... simple difference in theories suggest that star wars was never designed to be all powerful (as opposed to ST) it was jsut a good action flick  

Ewm you got no proof to say that lasers are really so weak that the feds wouldn't have ever used them. I really think roddenberry just wanted a neat name for the weapons personally, and theres little to no differant between phasers and lasers.

Now fullphaser, where did it say the maximum speed of the fastest ship in the SW galaxy was warp 1.1? They had that thing called hyperspace that made them go alot faster then that...

I do believe star destroyers are longer then 700 meters, of course it's size can be debated. I read from books about the crew complement, so I know what i'm saying is true.

They didn't have star destroyers in KOTOR, the biggest thing the republic had was like 4 turbolasers total on their hammerhead cruisers, which are small ass in comparison to most imperial ships. Then I haven't heard anything about a single ship being able to destroy a planet in ST by using the deflector array, that seems fairly far fetched.

Well they were idiots phaser, duh...Of course some tie would have seen them, a small screw up to the movie. Then I never said their sensors were so freakin powerful as you think, but their not blind either. SW has cloak, but unlike the unrealistic size of the small  ass ST cloak, it's realistic in size.

I didn't f***ing design the imperator destroyers, what does this have to do with anything?

that TNG episode. you have eny proof that thay are not. all i can go on is what i know and that is that lazers are consiter a old wepond and cant damage ships hall. this is the fact until perovin utherwise.

you have proof of this?


what book?


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well what we know is fasers are spost to be a lot more pawerfull that lazers thae mane wepind of star wars.

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Until you have any proof lasers are that weak, you are an idiot.

Go watch one of the f***ing movies, this one is more or less common sense.

The star wars X wing books, some interesting reading.

Yeah they said phasers ARE more powerful, i'm not doubing that, i'm simply saying that turbolasers are definately not as weak as the lasers on that alien ship.

i never sed thay wer week i sed thay have lital efect on star trek ships.

i have seen all the movies thank you.

The star wars X wing books thats thare name?

thats sawnds rite but thay still are lasers.

That is essentially the same thing...

Well go watch them again.

Well they each have a differant title, I forget the names of them.

Yeah well your still as smart as most roaches.

how come, u wanna compare st with sw? :huh:

btw.
in kotor2 was an earlier version of a star destroyer ;) :D
which is quiet interesting, cause the first time i saw them was in episode 2. in sw-timeline. but kotor2 storyline is 5000yrs before that. anyways.
what i was goin to say, the destroyers are WAAAAY bigger then 700m or even km. lol. sh*t.. look at it while it comes close to a planet. its big like russia or somthin. cant imagine the imperators version of it :lol:

plus, star wars is all about masses. masses of soldier troops, massive attacks of powerful weapons, plot good against evil.

theres no point where u can compare st with sw.

I was originally comparing them to show ewm here that SW isn't as helpless to ST as he wants to think it is.

Alright, in both KOTORs, there are ships that faintly resemble star destroyers, that doesn't make it a 1,000 year predecessor.

i know thay are hopeless but thay are weeker. thats what i was tring to say.

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I already said lasers were weaker smart guy, but when you have ships with 100 of them, then the shoe is on the other foot.

i mean the whole SW world is weird there is no significan't improvement in life for like eons let alone technologcal advances  

Yeah it is funny in that respect. In reality KOTOR screws it up, because otherwise we don't even know what their universe is like before episode one.

I saw a timeline in a Star Wars book, and there's a book that takes place 10 years before Episode I.

On to the original topic, I saw commercials for the series finale of Enterprise, and they show Riker and Troi from when they were in TNG.  Interesting.

But they where on the ent D, that is not a timeline screw up.

The last episode said one thing: HOLODECK PROGRAM!

So, if it was a holodeck program: TNG could add things in it; like the borg for instance.

And for gods sake: forget Ent and accept this. Ent was a giant screw-up from the beginning. Shoulda been AFTER Nemesis. You don't do prequels for scientific things: things this detailed are kind of hard unless you stick to the pre-TOS. Which they failed to do.

Wasn't Worf's father in Star Trek VI?

it was his grand father