Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations

Do you think Star Trek will go on? Like it says in the article there have been breaks but do you think this could be the final death blow to Star Trek Shows?

Here is a recent artice from StarTrek.com:


 02.16.2005
Fans Unite in Attempt to Save Enterprise
 

Star Trek fans, discouraged by the recent decision to cancel Enterprise, have united to form a strong grass-roots campaign aimed at letting both Paramount and UPN know that they aren't going to give up the show quietly. The campaign's main thrust is that Star Trek does not need a "rest" and that it should have a place to air, somewhere, even if it isn't on UPN or CBS, the two most high profile Viacom-owned networks.

The strategy for getting the message across includes an ad in the Los Angeles Times that appeared on February 15 (and can be viewed via this link), protests outside the studio and UPN, letter writing, e-mailing, online petitions and even faxing their protests to Paramount. (The fax option, by the way, is the least effective. As a courtesy, please do not send Paramount any faxes. You can, however, e-mail us at community@startrek.com and we can pass your messages along.) We would also like to point out that there are other campaigns to save show, but please be careful with your money if you are asked to donate. If any group(s) are soliciting money in the hopes that they can raise enough cash to produce more episodes of Enterprise, please be warned that the only likely result is that you will end up being lighter in the wallet!


The history of the campaign to save the show actually began before the end of the third season of Enterprise, as cancellation rumors then were rampant. Two main groups surfaced last year, SaveEnterprise.com and EnterpriseProject.org, both with one goal in mind — to keep the show from going away. In the run-up to the announcement of getting a fourth season, these groups were very vocal and production personnel and the cast were very grateful for their support. (Not to mention the positive feedback from fans across the globe!)

After the powers that be reached a deal for a reduced licensing fee between UPN and Paramount Network Television, the show was given the go ahead for a fourth season. It survived to reach the requisite number of hours to go into syndication (around 100) but was then given the ax this year when lackluster viewing figures followed the show's move to Friday nights at 8:00 p.m. Although the ratings never improved significantly to ensure a fifth season, the show featured decidedly stronger storylines and increased interest amongst long-time Star Trek fans who were intrigued by the plots that sought to tie in elements of the Original Series or Star Trek: The Next Generation. Sadly, it wasn't enough. Other factors were also in play, as Scott Bakula said in a recent STARTREK.COM chat, "Unfortunately we don't fit into UPN's business plan and really haven't for the last two and a half years."

Times change and the entertainment industry has evolved over the years. Sure, we would all like to see the show continue in some form. But the reality of producing live-action TV now is far removed from the days of three networks and a handful of shows that were watched by several million people. Nowadays the many offerings from cable networks have fragmented the audience to such a degree that viewing figures once considered unexceptional are now looked upon as viable for a show to continue production. Enterprise, however, does not fit into this category right now and the future of Star Trek remains unknown. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as Star Trek has been on extended breaks before: Ten years elapsed between the Original Series and the first movie, plus another eight years before production on TNG commenced.

There is one thing that is certain — Star Trek will never die. The fans posses the katra of Trek, they will never forget the show or let it slip away. They will always remember.

 

star trek is far from ded. thay just need a brake a nice nice hot woman sime time off. and when it comes back it will be beter than ever. lol

 

I wouldn't say it's far from dead, Enterprise and Nemesis both didn't go as good as Trek used to (I'm not even talking about the decline in quality they had since Voyager, as that's a matter of personal taste, but success in numbers of viewers).
Star Trek will be dead if they don't take a break for a while. Less and less people are interested every year, and throwing a new TV series at the people every few years isn't going to do anyone any good.

After TOS, they had a pause of two decades before TNG (one before the first movies). The result was a real improvement.
The same is heard from Battlestar Galactica (the new series isn't out here yet, but I've only heard good things about it).

I think the best would be a ten-year break (or more); and then start again with new ideas and new people. I don't believe this is what's going to happen, though.

well i ges it coms dawn to what you consiter the word ded to mean.

i think it meens thay seel the rites for start trek for munny so that can eat.

ten-year thats a lital mush pepal will for get what star trek is (just joking)

i think a 4 - 5 year brake will be anuff.  

Yep, a break would probably do everyone good. Sorry to hear you don't have BSG on TV yet, you can at least order the miniseries DVD on www.scifi.com.  That was the four hour "pilot" shown last year on the scifi channel, it was freaking amazing. Hopefully the DVD is available in your region code :o

"They look like us now ..."  

i think this is really annoying. theres no better scifi show on tv than any star trek.

i cant understand it. star treks dropped but shyt like stargate is still in production.. duh!.. -_-

plus i liked bakula as a captain n t'pol pretty much... well i dont like them more than picard n riker, but their gettin close to it in the last episodes i saw, i think. and ENT was waaaaaaaay better than this voyager garbage. so i think this show was a step in a good direction. new characters combined with an older storyline with new effects and a waaaaaay better plot.

i dont think a 'break' will be an 'improvement' in any way. the thing is that the ppl wanna see much more effects n fights n blah. thats why they didnt had a 'toprated' show. and there are no 'timeline' problems at all. thats the disgusting part about it.

i think its just bad manigemt thay need to hiyer new pepal the ship desiners are good keep tham and the story riter and speshal efects and final perdution can stay but mangemat and drecters need to go i think.

I honestly think that Rick Berman has gone off the deep end for the last time.  All of the films up to and including First Contact (unless some folks question about ST5) were epic, and I was really dissapointed to see how short Nemesis seemed to be when I saw it in theaters, and films that I see in theaters usually seem pretty long.  Rick Berman must be doing things wrong.  I think that we really need a break from ST at least on TV.  I see nothing wrong with more games and books during the break, but we need a break from it on TV and in theaters.

KLOK you're an idiot, sorry. Voyager had dumb stories and they screwed with things like isotons and kiloquads, but ENT violently raped the time continuum, the Vulcan personality, and the sanctity of Starfleet's ultimate coolness, the ability to completely kick ass on anyone in the galaxy. I'm talking lock you in jail for 30 years kind of violent rape, mutilated the dead body afterwards too. I can't believe you actually thought those storylines had any merit whatsoever. Even setting aside the Akiraprise that show was a joke.

im no idiot at all and so stop ur flaming.
i said that voyager was garbage, totally trash, in every direction.
but i dont think that ENTs raping the timeline like u said it.

1. there was a 'timeline-war' in the plot
2. whats wrong with the vulcans personality? they are not that far in their own evolution and technics, so that would mean they still got some problems. (arrogance, ignorance, temper and so on)
3. starfleet was never "cool" - it was jus democratic like idiots in a senate.
and they were still in the timeline where they had the money and no bigupfederation with everyone, only vulcans, and meeting others but nothing more then some lil alliances from time to time, most times just a ship or somthing.
4. as i said ENT was THE BEGINNING OF THAT STORYLINE WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO KICK ANYONES ASS.

now im thinkin bout 'whos the real idiot in here'. sorry for that, take it as a revenge. : P

I don't think that the thng is over , but that they'll think of somethign else.  Proabvly a new ship name more like it.

They had a different director doing Nemises and it turned out very good. Maybe they should hire him again because I think Rick Berman is tired of living up to Gene Roddenberry's dream of Star Trek and should be replaced by someone 'fresh'.

I tend to disagree. The only thing about Nemesis that wasn't completely useless was the Norexan design, and I'd even rather seen D'deridex instead. Sure, ST movies are far from masterpieces concerning the plot, but Nemesis had one of the worst directing and camerawork of them all (TSFS and TFF were worse, but that's it).
But yes, Berman needs to be replaced.

As I said, Berman has gone off the deep end.  He's cuckoo and wants Trek to be in his image.  He's bad with the films, especially since all the alien races speak English, and he's bad with the series.  The games and the books are all better since he had no role in them.  He may have been a good co-producer, but he's just plain cuckoo. :rolleyes:  

http://www.saveenterprise.com/ (http://www.saveenterprise.com/)
you can triy and save enterpise if you are realy wont to save the show

crintly thare up to TrekUnited Contribution Total $ 39,060.00

or if you cant give tham munny or wont to do some thing more you can sint a leter the info is on the site link above.

 

I agree, if you want them to continue, best start paying $100 a day, NOW!!!

well i don't know if it is on here yet, but anyomous contributers used 3,000,000 dollars and UPN and Paramount shut up and quickly put the show back on

Well well well.  It's all come down to the heated arguments of fans.  I tend enjoy watching people talk about things like this in such a heated manner.  :rolleyes:

But what I enjoy more is taking part in it ;)

My opinion really, Enterprise wasn't ALL that bad.  The timeline issues are true, as far as bringing the Borg and Romulans into a few episodes.  Kirk was the first person to meet the Romulans face to face, and luckily they didn't violate that aspect of the timeline, but still, I don't think they should've had such a huge appearance.  Voyager wasn't all that great as well, but it was ALOT better than Enterprise.  They seem to try too hard in Enterprise.  And I'm not used to seeing Bakula in a ST series.  The only thing I used to watch him in was Quantum Leap, and he was better in that then he's doing in ENT.

As far as a better Sci-Fi series than ST, Babylon 5 was SO MUCH better than recent ST.  Don't get me wrong, I will, and always will be a trekkie, but when B5 was on, the plots and stories of that show were such a step up from what they are doing to ST lately.  Rick Berman truely is defiling Roddenberry's idea of what ST should have been.  But truely, you find us all asking, do WE know any better than Berman?  What was Roddenberry's TRUE idea in creating TOS, and what did he want this to become?

It's still a sad thing Gene died. :(

But some of the people who were hardcore trekkies, there are some among us on this forum :P, I think that they would know better than Berman.

I am going to kidnap berman, and persuade (take a finger from) him to do better next time ;)  

Berman is trying to make Star Trek his creation.  He's part of it, but it is NOT his.  It is Gene Roddenberry's creation as well as OURS since we loyal Star Trek fans watch this stuff and keep it alive.  WE ARE STAR TREK, and Rick Berman is NOT Star Trek!

the origaonal resons why star trek was pupler in the beginings in the usa are:

it mached what pepal wher feeling by maching polatics of the times. you cood drow a line to difrant politacl ishows and drow a line to the ishows on star trek. the kinons wher the rushons the fedration was america and i am not sher how the romulans wher we did not see much of tham eny whay at the begining.

pepal in the 60s wher looking for some thing new to kinda exsepe thare lives star trek ofered tham that relatay.

all that teck ans siyfiy stuff was new on tv no one had takeing sinesin fishtion and put it on tv be for so all that hi teck stuff was fasanating.


the tick naw is to figer out what pepal wont and to make star trek that.

to day in the usa we have a hug resore for new vowers if only we can grab it. thare are more young teenagers than ever be for at one time. if we can figer out what thay wont and tap it we cood realy bring it back.

i think enterpise was a atimpt at grabing tham but thay did it rong.

i think star trak need to tak a realy realy close look at the feeling on the new teens and what thay wont and what thay are scard off.

Then Star Wars came along, and people haden't seen something like lightsabers used before and SW was a bit funner.

I think Enterprise should of gone into production with a fresh director. It would of been alot better.

I think that the Romulans were equivalent to the Japanese even though the Romulans were meant to be the ultimate bad guys, but a limited budget forced Roddenberry to create the Klingons who were cheaper.

I should also state that I would agree with USS Legacy on the matter of directors.  Berman just finished Voyager months earlier and DS9 at least one year earlier.  He must have conditioned himself to thinking in terms of Voyager and DS9 to be fair.

what Star Trek needs it what truly made it Star Trek in the first place;
large numbers of satires
more philosophical, moral situations


TOS in my opinion was one of the best series of ST and it did not have any space battles instead it had the aformentions aspects

TV these day has become hollow vilence, don't get me wrong violence is fine but it needs to have meaning needs to have a satire; if one looks through TOS one sees a satire at the very least every other episode this is what star trek SHOULD be not "cool we are in a space ship with nice special effects and digital broadcasting"

I love space battles. It's the annoying standoffs that piss me off, torpedos loaded, phasers armed, but no firing :(  

That's what happens when you have drunken idiots like Berman ruining stuff around.  When Roddenberry did TNG, there was some satire around which was really nice and reminiscent of TOS.  It's too bad that TOS was cut off the way it was.  That's due to too many people watching Lost in Space, Gunsmoke (sorry dad ^_^ ), and Bonanza (I mean Banana :lol: ).  Back then they used a general rating system where we use a demographic rating system.

i think some thing difrant about the vilesins to day is its on a gradeos leval.

in the days on TOS is was on a smaler leval and thare mane gole was fiting off a singal gorn ship or sutgals in side the ship.

to day in enterpise we are fiting a hole race tring to distoy earth or traviling thow time. enterprise nx 01 is no enterpise ncc 1701.  

That seems logical.  Back then, Star Trek was reminiscent of the cowboy series that existed then.  Although Paramount produced the series, NBC was also resposible for production, and they made series such as The Wild Wild West, a cowboy series from the 60's.

i like shooting stuff...lol


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no really...what was this topic about?oh yeah...future of star trek...how about the FUTURE??? not fhking enterprise. and no fhking time travel, or borg, or genocidal species from another dimension.and no picard. he scares me. have you ever noticed how everytime he fhking stands up he pulls his uniform?and how can it be a UNIform if some are different colors?how did i get so off topic ?see?SEE!IT IS ALL PICARDS FAULT!!!!picard r teh sux.

the tital is Enterprise And The Future Of Star Trek.

and with out looking at why it was so good in the past we understand whay is not working naw. and than we can start to come up wit some idea for the fucher.

Maybe I should of included something like that in the title...

With Star Wars EP3 coming out in May, Enterprise will be pushed aside, its last episode is May 16, not far from the EP3 release date, May 19.

That does seem to be a d@mned coincidence.  The end of Enterprise, and the final film of the Star Wars saga to be released.

I want entrpise back, would have been cool to see how they handeled the romulan war. and whats with may 19th for star wars its a bloody thursday.

I should also point out that I was looking forward to seeing who the boss of the Suliban was.  Since Enterprise is being cancelled, they had no choice but to screw with the Temporal Cold War, and now we'll never know who the "shower guy" was.

what part of it's not going away does no one seem to get... considering the Founder and current key operatory in Lokeed Martin is suspected to be one of the highest contributers, and Paramount shut up about their complaints and are just going to make a network host it in the near future. Probobly Force CBS to put it on earlier

A U.S. defense contractor paid to get a sci-fi show back up and running? Wtf...?

Interesting, isn't it.  You know how there are public radio stations that get a majority of their funds from patrons and listeners?  We might as well call Star Trek a public television program.  I meant no offense, of course. ;)  

The temporal cold war is nothing, it was supposed to be the end of the series (and posibly fixing inconsistancies to apease angry fans) but since its untimley cancelation can anyone say the infamous shower scene from Dallas.